best long range caliber
01-17-2008 | 01:18 PM
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In the November 2007 issue of Louisiana Sportsman magazine there is an article titled "The Shoting Doctor Is In." This is about a Baton Rouge gynecologist who prides himself in taking minimum 500 yard head shots on deer. Working from memory I think he has 2 Savage rifles in 308 for anything out to 600 or so and over that he will go to his 408 Cheytac I think is built on a Remington action. If memory serves me his longest shot was a rangefinder verified 1200 yds and longest head shot on a doe at 800 yds. It is definitely doable, but I would spend alot of time practicing at the ranges you intend to shoot.
01-17-2008 | 01:50 PM
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RE: best long range caliber
ORIGINAL: idunno
In the November 2007 issue of Louisiana Sportsman magazine there is an article titled "The Shoting Doctor Is In." This is about a Baton Rouge gynecologist who prides himself in taking minimum 500 yard head shots on deer. Working from memory I think he has 2 Savage rifles in 308 for anything out to 600 or so and over that he will go to his 408 Cheytac I think is built on a Remington action. If memory serves me his longest shot was a rangefinder verified 1200 yds and longest head shot on a doe at 800 yds. It is definitely doable, but I would spend alot of time practicing at the ranges you intend to shoot.
In the November 2007 issue of Louisiana Sportsman magazine there is an article titled "The Shoting Doctor Is In." This is about a Baton Rouge gynecologist who prides himself in taking minimum 500 yard head shots on deer. Working from memory I think he has 2 Savage rifles in 308 for anything out to 600 or so and over that he will go to his 408 Cheytac I think is built on a Remington action. If memory serves me his longest shot was a rangefinder verified 1200 yds and longest head shot on a doe at 800 yds. It is definitely doable, but I would spend alot of time practicing at the ranges you intend to shoot.
01-17-2008 | 03:01 PM
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RE: best long range caliber
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
yeah, the chey tac is way too big for a remmy.
2 years ago a smith named kirby allen, designed a cartridge called the 338 Allen Mag, basicly its a 338/408 C.T. improved, built on an armalite AR-50 action and fitted with a 2" straight 34" lilja barrel, in testing he took a rockchuck at 2,370 yards, any wonder I got him to build my LR rig?
Btw the lazzaronia's are pretty impressive but I have not found anyone who could match lazz's published specs when reloading for them, he loads his ammo with .001 undersized coated bullets.
RR
yeah, the chey tac is way too big for a remmy.
2 years ago a smith named kirby allen, designed a cartridge called the 338 Allen Mag, basicly its a 338/408 C.T. improved, built on an armalite AR-50 action and fitted with a 2" straight 34" lilja barrel, in testing he took a rockchuck at 2,370 yards, any wonder I got him to build my LR rig?
Btw the lazzaronia's are pretty impressive but I have not found anyone who could match lazz's published specs when reloading for them, he loads his ammo with .001 undersized coated bullets.
RR
01-17-2008 | 05:34 PM
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RE: best long range caliber
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
mine run 2.2" on my LR rigs jeep, due to my high comb stocks, canted bases and such, what I was referring to is his velocity claims, I know 3 guys with warbirds, they can't attain the mv's he claims with components they can buy.
RR
mine run 2.2" on my LR rigs jeep, due to my high comb stocks, canted bases and such, what I was referring to is his velocity claims, I know 3 guys with warbirds, they can't attain the mv's he claims with components they can buy.
RR
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01-17-2008 | 06:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: Pavomesa
I think you said it best CLD. All of us dream of the 600 yd shots, but for most mortals this is pure fantasy. In most situations it's hard to even spot and identify a suitable animal to shoot at this range. And I remember the immortal P.O. Ackley writing about 500 yard rifles. Ackley rightly said, "Most people can't hit a flock of circus tents at this range without specifically sighting in their rifles for it."
Almost everything that has been killed since the crust of the earth cooled has been done in 100 yds or less. I worry about 300-400 at the max. Anything farther, I need to reposition me or wait for them to come closer.
ORIGINAL: Colorado Luckydog
I love my Remington 300 ulta mag.It may have the capability of that range butI do not. Your asking what caliber to 600 yards, but 600 yards shots are not easy with any gun.I shoot more than the average Joe and there's no way I would take a shot at 600 yards at any animal. A good gun, a great scope, a good teacher, and hours of practice are what is needed before you should be thinking of 600 yard shots. A Remington 300ultra mag in a 150 grain SwiftScirocco will drop a little over 25 inches at 500 yards. It takes a lot of practice and good equipment to make that shot. JMHO
I love my Remington 300 ulta mag.It may have the capability of that range butI do not. Your asking what caliber to 600 yards, but 600 yards shots are not easy with any gun.I shoot more than the average Joe and there's no way I would take a shot at 600 yards at any animal. A good gun, a great scope, a good teacher, and hours of practice are what is needed before you should be thinking of 600 yard shots. A Remington 300ultra mag in a 150 grain SwiftScirocco will drop a little over 25 inches at 500 yards. It takes a lot of practice and good equipment to make that shot. JMHO
Almost everything that has been killed since the crust of the earth cooled has been done in 100 yds or less. I worry about 300-400 at the max. Anything farther, I need to reposition me or wait for them to come closer.
01-18-2008 | 05:32 AM
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Lots of cals will do the job with more than enough energy to kill these animals at these ranges...
And its not as hard as some as these guys are saying..
Time dedicated to practicing is the number one factor.....
If you can't put aside this to do some serious shooting,it doesn't matter if you have the best of the best stuff.....
The number 2 factor common sense....
Alot of hunters think just because a few of us practice long range shooting at targets we have no problem ripping a shot off at game any time we see something at that distance....Nothing can be further from the truth..
Serious long range shooters and long range hunters know exactly how far that target,animal is and know where there bullet will hit..
Serious long range hunters know exactly when to fire and know when to hold off....
I personally can count on three fingers how many times I've killed animals between 450 and 520yrds....
I have not killed anything beyond that distance of 520yrds however I've spotted "hundreds" of game animals that never presented a quality shot between 500 -650yrds..
Because I live out west, and hunt alot of alpine and sagebrush, most of the animals I spot arebeyond 100 to 125yrds that most hunters shoot them at..
Most game I spot is outwards of 200yrds, and shoot game regualarly at 300yrds.....
The next is quality optics and invest in a steady rest..
My advice stick with a cal your able to handle shooting lots,
find a powder bullet combo that will kill efficiently at that range,and one that you can make tight tight groups with consistantly.
I myself find that the .30 cals group tighter at longer ranges
than alot of the .7mm....
The .270 cal in any of the win, wsm and weatherby can handle shooting and killing at that distance as well, but I would replace any of themfor the 6.5 x.284 when it comes to flat shooting inherent accuracy..
And its not as hard as some as these guys are saying..
Time dedicated to practicing is the number one factor.....
If you can't put aside this to do some serious shooting,it doesn't matter if you have the best of the best stuff.....
The number 2 factor common sense....
Alot of hunters think just because a few of us practice long range shooting at targets we have no problem ripping a shot off at game any time we see something at that distance....Nothing can be further from the truth..
Serious long range shooters and long range hunters know exactly how far that target,animal is and know where there bullet will hit..
Serious long range hunters know exactly when to fire and know when to hold off....
I personally can count on three fingers how many times I've killed animals between 450 and 520yrds....
I have not killed anything beyond that distance of 520yrds however I've spotted "hundreds" of game animals that never presented a quality shot between 500 -650yrds..
Because I live out west, and hunt alot of alpine and sagebrush, most of the animals I spot arebeyond 100 to 125yrds that most hunters shoot them at..
Most game I spot is outwards of 200yrds, and shoot game regualarly at 300yrds.....
The next is quality optics and invest in a steady rest..
My advice stick with a cal your able to handle shooting lots,
find a powder bullet combo that will kill efficiently at that range,and one that you can make tight tight groups with consistantly.
I myself find that the .30 cals group tighter at longer ranges
than alot of the .7mm....
The .270 cal in any of the win, wsm and weatherby can handle shooting and killing at that distance as well, but I would replace any of themfor the 6.5 x.284 when it comes to flat shooting inherent accuracy..
01-18-2008 | 06:54 AM
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I'm building one now ,it's a 300rum on a700 rem. It has a muzzel break so it fills like a 243 now ,other wise I couldn't shoot it alot.Then you will need trigger work .Then the most important and costly the scope ,I am looking to buy the night force 5.5x22 power in the 50mm lens.That should be about right for a long range hunting gun. A gun club near me just built a 800 yard range,lucky for me. The thing about long range shooting is the wind drift the lighter the bullet the more the drift ,I say 30 or 33cal.to help buck to wind .I'll post my groups at 600yds. this summer.Good post.
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01-18-2008 | 01:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: jeepkid
I don't think the CheyTac is built on a Remington action, too big of bolt face... They are usually built on Neiska's or other customs...
ORIGINAL: idunno
In the November 2007 issue of Louisiana Sportsman magazine there is an article titled "The Shoting Doctor Is In." This is about a Baton Rouge gynecologist who prides himself in taking minimum 500 yard head shots on deer. Working from memory I think he has 2 Savage rifles in 308 for anything out to 600 or so and over that he will go to his 408 Cheytac I think is built on a Remington action. If memory serves me his longest shot was a rangefinder verified 1200 yds and longest head shot on a doe at 800 yds. It is definitely doable, but I would spend alot of time practicing at the ranges you intend to shoot.
In the November 2007 issue of Louisiana Sportsman magazine there is an article titled "The Shoting Doctor Is In." This is about a Baton Rouge gynecologist who prides himself in taking minimum 500 yard head shots on deer. Working from memory I think he has 2 Savage rifles in 308 for anything out to 600 or so and over that he will go to his 408 Cheytac I think is built on a Remington action. If memory serves me his longest shot was a rangefinder verified 1200 yds and longest head shot on a doe at 800 yds. It is definitely doable, but I would spend alot of time practicing at the ranges you intend to shoot.
I found the article I was referring to. He has 3 .308's... A Remington 700 (not specific which one), Remington 40XB, and Savage Model 10FP. for Ranges out past 800 yards he uses the .408 CheyTac M310. On the .408 he has a Nightforce NXS 12-42x56 NP-IRR. His other go to scope, the Tasco 12-60x56 is no longer in production.
