One and the same

I tried some of the managed recoil in the 270 goofing around and they will definitely stomp a deer. Recoil is very easy....even with the 7 mag the managed recoil and the limb saver/r3 would be a sweet rig. For the record I dont like the 7mag recoil either.

I was seriously thinking about getting the managed recoil shells for my older Remington model 742 automatic 30-06.Like Ipscshooter I went to a Browning .243 A-Bolt HunterRifle because of the recoil and flinching I was getting from my 30-06.I have done really great and haven't lost a Deer yet with my .243 Rifle but it would be nice totake the 30-06 automatic on a hunt in case I would need a quick follow up shot or if there's a really BIG Buck where I'm hunting?

In terms of pads I find the Sims/R3 does the best job at taming the recoildue to the rubber compound used( word: Cushy).The Pachmayr Decelis more durable and doesn't hang up as much on fleece type materials when shouldering (because of the material used. Both are great products and reduce felt recoil noticably.

BTW you should be able to find a pre-fit Sims pad that will for your BDL, just go to: http://www.limbsaver.com/Products/Firearms/Cross_reference.aspx. Find and print off the templates for the BDL Wood Stock version then compare them to your rifle (make sure to uncheck "fit to page" prior to printing so the template remains actual size!).

I reload and have never tried downloading the 7mm rem mag..sorry can't help with that part.

The mind is very powerful and can make things tougher then they need to be. You needto get over the fearof shooting this rifle. Add a recoil pad and give the managed recoil ammo a go to start things off. After that who knows :< )!

Good Luck

Thanks for all the comments, guys. This is the time of year to get things done at the gunsmith, so, I think I'll take it in and have an R3/Limbsaver installed.

Skeeter: You're absolutely right about psychology and the mind having a powerful effect. One of the lessons we tried to take from our martial arts classes, particularly applicable to breaking boards and bricks. For some reason, I could never convince myself that I could do a reverse punch through 2 1X12" pine boards. Bloodied my knuckles on them, but couldn't break them simply because I "knew" I couldn't... But, no problem with doing a hammer fist through a 2" brick. Go figure. I'll work my way up... 140 gr. Managed Recoil, 140 gr. Magnums, maybe if I can get through a box of 160 gr. Magnums without flinching, I'll treat myself to an elk hunt...

Here is a crazy idea. take that rifle to the gunsmith, take the barrel off of it, carve out the barrel channel a little bit, and rebarrel it with a heavy barrel 260 Remington. Low recoil, great long range rifle for deer and varmints. Oh I think I just had a QUIMMEE. Tom.

ipscshooter; That's a great idea as far as using the Remington low recoilrounds. In addition you should also install a limbsaver recoil pad. After you get comfortable with the low recoil ammo, you probably jump up to standard loads. I did the same thing on a .30-06.

You don't need a 160gr bullet to hunt elk or moose.The 140gr tsx works fine.

My BDL now has a Limbsaver recoil pad. I took it to the gunsmith, and he tried to sell me one of the Limbsaver "grind to fit" pads.... For $105... I noticed that they had the Limbsaver prefit pads on the rack and bought it for $30.

Tomorrow, it's off to another store to pick up some Managed Recoil ammo.

HEAD0001: What's a QUIMMEE?

You should do good with that Libsaver. My brother had one put on his 338 W.M. and I found a big difference in recoil. Good luck and hopefully you can use that rifle this fall...