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Question about Assault rifles and the elections...
I was browsing a few websites that sell guns and have seen more and more ads saying: "Buy this now before Hillary gets into office!"
I don't want to make this a political thread, I was more curious to how realistic it is that our new President will re-sign the Assault Weapons ban? I also understand that this is a marketing tool too, seen prices of many assault rifles go up since the ban was lifted. Any takers? |
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I was browsing a few websites that sell guns and have seen more and more ads saying: "Buy this now before Hillary gets into office!" I don't want to make this a political thread, I was more curious to how realistic it is that our new President will re-sign the Assault Weapons ban? I also understand that this is a marketing tool too, seen prices of many assault rifles go up since the ban was lifted. Any takers? The political fallout would be interesting if a new AWB were pushed through. Black guns with most of the cool evil features were off limits for a decade, since the AWB expired, EBRs have become the most interesting and top selling guns-countless people have bought them and continue to buy them if for the only reason is that they can. Taking that freedom that is new to a lot of people away could cause serious unemployment problems for people in power. |
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"EBRs"?
Briman - youmay want to copyright that term/acronym, the media will be climbing over each other to use it! The way I see it, we have two issues facing us as hunters (and in this order): 1) Loss of access, 2) Politicization of the 2nd Amendment. 2nd amendment wasn't intended to allow us to hunt, it was intended to allow us control over government. |
RE: Question about Assault rifles and the elections...
Briman - youmay want to copyright that term/acronym, the media will be climbing over each other to use it! |
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1) Loss of access, A lot of suburban landscpe is becoming of limits to hunting, but there is no shortage of hunting land once you get 50 miles away from any metropolitan area. The major loss of hunting opportunities is limiting motor vehicle access to national forests- closing off ATV/snowmobile/logging trails makes it very difficult for sportsment to utilize much of the areas. On the other hand, I hunt public land of which there is no shortage of in my state. The biggest thing I have observed is that 99% (maybe even a greater percentage than that) won't hunt more than 200 yards from a road or logging trail where they have access to a vehicle. Despite the fact that we have 700,000+ deer hunters in the woods on opening weekend, I rarely see another hunter anywhere near where I hunt, though its because I hike in nearly a mile from the roads, I have a successful hunt nearly every year, though its a lot more work to get in and out of the woods. 2) Politicization of the 2nd Amendment. |
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ORIGINAL: ir655 I was browsing a few websites that sell guns and have seen more and more ads saying: "Buy this now before Hillary gets into office!" I don't want to make this a political thread, I was more curious to how realistic it is that our new President will re-sign the Assault Weapons ban? I also understand that this is a marketing tool too, seen prices of many assault rifles go up since the ban was lifted. Any takers? |
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George Bush said, back when the assault weapons law expired, that if Congress renewed the law, he WOULD sign it. |
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Huckabee is the only one that Ive heard say that he belives in the 2nd amendment....Atleast thats what I got out of it durring his interview....
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Hukabee just pulled through in Iowa. Perhaps he's our hope.
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IMO they are just "Marketing" their product. FEAR is a great motivator.
IMO if a Democrat is elected then prices at a minimum will go even higher. I also believe the ban will eventually be reenacted also. Tom. |
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I prefer the term "Homeland Defense Rifle".
Lets see the liberals attack that! |
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ORIGINAL: ranger56528 Huckabee is the only one that Ive heard say that he belives in the 2nd amendment....Atleast thats what I got out of it durring his interview.... |
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Congress will not get a AWB to the President, it is political suicide. The republican party will filabuster it anyway. This upcomming Supreme Court decisision will say that it's an individual right anyway.
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OK from what i know the only thing it does is you can not buy a gun with a bayont lug a folding stock or a flash suppressor on it all at once.
you can still buy Ar's with them made before the bad is signed i bought one just before the ban was lifted. And i think since it as went out congress would have to resend it and they can not seem to do anything. and from the look of things she ant going to get nothing. There just trying to sell guns now ORIGINAL: ir655 I was browsing a few websites that sell guns and have seen more and more ads saying: "Buy this now before Hillary gets into office!" I don't want to make this a political thread, I was more curious to how realistic it is that our new President will re-sign the Assault Weapons ban? I also understand that this is a marketing tool too, seen prices of many assault rifles go up since the ban was lifted. Any takers? |
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there you go i doubt any gun control will be up for atkeast four maybe 8 years and i do not see a dem winning and i can see them lossing the control in congress
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner well I read a report that during the Gore presidential run, the dems decided to back off gun control, they're reasoning being that after the clintonites pressed the AWB through they lost the presidency for 8 years and control of both houses for 12. Now about assault wepons, they are short selective fire weapons that can only be obtained by a class III firearms liscense holder, the term "assault rifle" has been dreamed up by the liberals to terrify the un-educated masses. They wanna prevent us from buying firearms because of a few screwed up people in society, but they wanna legalize smoking dope? do the liberals have any morel values at all? RR |
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This is from Mike Huckabees website:
[ul][*]The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.[*]Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control based on geography.[*]I consistently opposed banning assault weapons and opposed the Brady Bill.[*]As Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits.[*]I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license. [/ul] No candidate has a stronger, more consistent record on Second Amendment rights than I do. Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment. They knew that a government facing an armed populace was less likely to take away our rights, while a disarmed population wouldn't have much hope. As Ronald Reagan reminded us, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Without our Second Amendment rights, all of our other rights aren't inalienable, they're just "on loan" from the government. Other candidates say gun control doesn't affect hunting. Now I'm a very avid hunter, but the Second Amendment isn't really about hunting. It's about tyranny and self-defense. The Founding Fathers weren't worried about our being able to bag a duck or a deer, they were worried about our keeping our fundamental freedoms. I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Criminals prefer unarmed victims." Criminals will always find a way to get guns. By disarming our law-abiding citizens, we take away the strongest deterrent to violent criminals - the uncertainty that they don't know who is helpless and who is armed. Our law enforcement officials can't be everywhere, all the time. Lawfully-armed citizens back them up and prevent robberies, rapes, and the murder of innocents. Right after Katrina, with law enforcement non-existent, many victims were able to protect their lives, their homes, and their precious supplies of food and water only because they were armed. Other candidates believe gun control should be determined geographically, but Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. Your Second Amendment rights don't change when you change your address. Other candidates filed frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers. When I was Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from exactly those types of suits. I allowed former law enforcement officials to carry concealed handguns and removed restrictions on concealed handgun permit holders. I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license, and of course I'm a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. Other candidates have supported banning assault weapons. When the federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, I said, "May it rest in peace." It won't be returning in the Huckabee Administration. Zealously protecting your Second Amendment rights is another way that I will lift all law-abiding Americans up, by consistently championing your right to defend yourself. And from Mitt Romneys website: GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "I believe the Second Amendment is about more than just self-defense or sport; it's about the basic freedom of lawful citizens to live their lives – to engage in the normal pursuits of society without the interference of the heavy hand of government." [/align] |
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Well guys, thanks for all the responses! Interesting subject indeed, and hopefully they won't pass another restricting bill that punishes law-abiding citizens.
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Trouble is with Hillary in office and Pelosi as House speaker and a Dem majority in the senate, opens the door for all kinds of new gun control. The Dems as a party support stricter gun laws.
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ORIGINAL: Briman I'd imagine that any of the leading candidates would sign a new AWB if it came in front of them (Romney, Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Edwards), none of them are friends of gun owners, at least one of them are outright enemies of gun owners (Clinton isn't the worst of them either). Anyone who wants to retain the right to buy/own an "EBR" would be best served by NOT voting for the Democrat nominee. Even the worst Republican is going to be better with regard to 2nd Amendment issues than any of the people being considered for the Democrat nomination. |
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ORIGINAL: johnnybravoo77 This is from Mike Huckabees website: [ul][*]The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.[*]Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control based on geography.[*]I consistently opposed banning assault weapons and opposed the Brady Bill.[*]As Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits.[*]I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license. [/ul] No candidate has a stronger, more consistent record on Second Amendment rights than I do. Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment. They knew that a government facing an armed populace was less likely to take away our rights, while a disarmed population wouldn't have much hope. As Ronald Reagan reminded us, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Without our Second Amendment rights, all of our other rights aren't inalienable, they're just "on loan" from the government. Other candidates say gun control doesn't affect hunting. Now I'm a very avid hunter, but the Second Amendment isn't really about hunting. It's about tyranny and self-defense. The Founding Fathers weren't worried about our being able to bag a duck or a deer, they were worried about our keeping our fundamental freedoms. I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Criminals prefer unarmed victims." Criminals will always find a way to get guns. By disarming our law-abiding citizens, we take away the strongest deterrent to violent criminals - the uncertainty that they don't know who is helpless and who is armed. Our law enforcement officials can't be everywhere, all the time. Lawfully-armed citizens back them up and prevent robberies, rapes, and the murder of innocents. Right after Katrina, with law enforcement non-existent, many victims were able to protect their lives, their homes, and their precious supplies of food and water only because they were armed. Other candidates believe gun control should be determined geographically, but Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. Your Second Amendment rights don't change when you change your address. Other candidates filed frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers. When I was Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from exactly those types of suits. I allowed former law enforcement officials to carry concealed handguns and removed restrictions on concealed handgun permit holders. I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license, and of course I'm a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. Other candidates have supported banning assault weapons. When the federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, I said, "May it rest in peace." It won't be returning in the Huckabee Administration. Zealously protecting your Second Amendment rights is another way that I will lift all law-abiding Americans up, by consistently championing your right to defend yourself. And from Mitt Romneys website: GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "I believe the Second Amendment is about more than just self-defense or sport; it's about the basic freedom of lawful citizens to live their lives – to engage in the normal pursuits of society without the interference of the heavy hand of government." |
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A lot of us are waiting to see what the Supreme Court has to say about the case from DC. It mayset precedentsfor future legislationon all gun laws for all states and even over turn some in some states. This is one of ,if not the biggest case the Supreme Court has looked at in over twenty years ,longer maybe,as far as firearms & the Second Amendment are concerned.
The term Assault weapon is misleading any way , hell a muzzle loader can qualify as one . I have always looked at myself as a potential Min. Man any way , so they really have no grounds to ban any thing ,in my eyes. I think any one who wants to ban ,limit or remove any firearm from a legal buyer is a Commie Pinko Socialist pig and has no right being in office in this country. The fact is they are afraid of this country's populous rising to defend our Constitution rights with force , so they think if they disarm us they can start to chip away from the other Amendments/Constitution .AHHH I feel so much better now ! |
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Here is my EBR:
 The operating system is all AK, with all parts interchangeable, yet this weapon would be brady-bill compliant, while other AK's were not. Why do some people think a pistol grip makes it more dangerous? This one shoots .223 between 1.5 and 2 MOA, depending on my ammo, so, In a way, my gun is more dangerous than a standard AK. |
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Why are we calling glorified semi-autos "Assault Rifles" ?
Trouble is with Hillary in office and Pelosi as House speaker and a Dem majority in the senate, opens the door for all kinds of new gun control. The Dems as a party support stricter gun laws. GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "I believe the Second Amendment is about more than just self-defense or sport; it's about the basic freedom of lawful citizens to live their lives – to engage in the normal pursuits of society without the interference of the heavy hand of government." |
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i mean no disrepect but can we stop using the line "ebr"
ORIGINAL: ipscshooter ORIGINAL: Briman I'd imagine that any of the leading candidates would sign a new AWB if it came in front of them (Romney, Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Edwards), none of them are friends of gun owners, at least one of them are outright enemies of gun owners (Clinton isn't the worst of them either). Anyone who wants to retain the right to buy/own an "EBR" would be best served by NOT voting for the Democrat nominee. Even the worst Republican is going to be better with regard to 2nd Amendment issues than any of the people being considered for the Democrat nomination. |
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ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 i mean no disrepect but can we stop using the line "ebr" |
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evil black rifle there is nothing evil about a ar15
ORIGINAL: ipscshooter ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 i mean no disrepect but can we stop using the line "ebr" |
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Its a play (making fun of) on what others have called it, and is not looked at as "seriously" calling them evil...I will NOT bow down to the political correctness overlords, is that what you want to do?
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i mean no disrepect but can we stop using the line "ebr" |
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ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 evil black rifle there is nothing evil about a ar15 |
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I got one just in case........;)My SHTF rifle.
(Oh and a buttpile of 30rd mags too, real pretty D&H black teflon ones. :))  |
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That's a nice rig you got there, Matt!
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That's a nice rig you got there, Matt! Matt, what's that little round thing under the forward assist? |
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no i bow down to no one
but i am not sure what the point in calling it evil black rifle besides the fact of poking at the stupied people out ther ei.e dems. i like ar think every legal citizen should have one . ORIGINAL: skin290 Its a play (making fun of) on what others have called it, and is not looked at as "seriously" calling them evil...I will NOT bow down to the political correctness overlords, is that what you want to do? |
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i am sorry guys i though some of you were serious about calling it a evil rifle
ORIGINAL: ipscshooter ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 evil black rifle there is nothing evil about a ar15 |
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Ditto that, its hard to take my eyes off it.:D Matt, what's that little round thing under the forward assist? That little round thing under the forward assist is the takedown pin to unhinge the upper and lower receiver. The rifle looks a little different right now as I have a Magpul MIAD grip system on it, a buttpad to help with length of stock pull and a soon to be Eotech 512 holo sight. Shoots great too. :) When it's not on the range playing the roll of fun gun, it's loaded with 30 rounds of TAP ammo and it becomesmy "You better knock first" home defense weapon. It's ajust a big black flashlight with extras. ;)  |
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I heard Obama would try and get ried of the Ccw permits.
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That little round thing under the forward assist is the takedown pin to unhinge the upper and lower receiver. |
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Real Nice looking ebrifles yall:)
Vote the knowen gun grabbing party=dem,s and thats likely what they will do- even if not right away. |
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they can pry my guns from my cold dead hand, or however that goes.
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