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Roger that.
Here is a pic of the 147 grain .223 subsonic round, typically shot through a suppressed system. It is about the length of a 80 grain VLD lead bullet in .223.............very effective on deer, I have not shot anything larger with them. Check the link: http://artactical.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/3021012072  |
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Why are you intelligent men wasting your time with this ridiculous child?
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Just trying to have an actual discussion, rather than a bunch of name calling. This type of post doesn't help.
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Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo. To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that. The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round. Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site. Yes, the ammo has been in use by DefGru since the mid '90s. It cannot be approved for use by the frontline troops due to the Hague convention and the fact that it is a hollow point. Dr. Martin Fackler did in fact work on the Terminal ballistics of this round. Anyone who wishes to contact me off list, I will be glad to provide them with a picture of a soap block that Dr. Fackler shot with one of our 79 grain .223s showing the resulting wound cavity. The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there. The gentleman who claims to have seen us at a Gun show, I would like to know where this was, as the only "Shows we have been involved in are the Arkansas Tactical Officers Conference, SWAT Roundup International, and Safari Club International Convention in Reno back in January, with the exception of a live fire demo for the American Sniper Association and Crosshairs.org in New Hampshire back in November. I'm not saying that he didn't see something like ours, but I do not know of any Gun Shows that we have been involved in. We have several hunters in Africa right now using our 300 WinMag on Plains Game. Yes, in the one testimonial on the web site the Deer did wander about 20 yards from where it was shot, and it was shot with a 79 grain not an 87 grain .223. The .223 is legal in South Carolina and he wished to try it, he said in his testimonial he would prefer using the heavier 87 grain in the future. The 79 grain .223 will work as an excellent Deer round but is on the small side for this application, thus the Deer wandering a short distance from point of shot. The 79 grain leaves a wound cavity slightly smaller than a football in size.
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Come on you guys admit it, you aren't man enough to try these bullets. If you wereelite Seels you'd have top level security clearance to the Holy Grail, and the secret knowledge of how physics isn't exactly how it was taught in high school. A true Power Ranger would not question something like a bullet that wounds like a shotgun at point blank range by turning into metal particles yet retains enough energy to smash through bones- DUH!
Not being an elite Seel Power Ranger myself and only being a wannabe who salivates over the idea of gut shooting deer with bullets that may have been looked at once by the Secret Service, I do have one question for S1: do these bullets come with kneepads and ninja patches to put on my hunting coat ? I'm about to wet myself with excitement.  |
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Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo. To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that. The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round. Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site. Yes, the ammo has been in use by DefGru since the mid '90s. It cannot be approved for use by the frontline troops due to the Hague convention and the fact that it is a hollow point. Dr. Martin Fackler did in fact work on the Terminal ballistics of this round. Anyone who wishes to contact me off list, I will be glad to provide them with a picture of a soap block that Dr. Fackler shot with one of our 79 grain .223s showing the resulting wound cavity. The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there. The gentleman who claims to have seen us at a Gun show, I would like to know where this was, as the only "Shows we have been involved in are the Arkansas Tactical Officers Conference, SWAT Roundup International, and Safari Club International Convention in Reno back in January, with the exception of a live fire demo for the American Sniper Association and Crosshairs.org in New Hampshire back in November. I'm not saying that he didn't see something like ours, but I do not know of any Gun Shows that we have been involved in. We have several hunters in Africa right now using our 300 WinMag on Plains Game. Yes, in the one testimonial on the web site the Deer did wander about 20 yards from where it was shot, and it was shot with a 79 grain not an 87 grain .223. The .223 is legal in South Carolina and he wished to try it, he said in his testimonial he would prefer using the heavier 87 grain in the future. The 79 grain .223 will work as an excellent Deer round but is on the small side for this application, thus the Deer wandering a short distance from point of shot. The 79 grain leaves a wound cavity slightly smaller than a football in size. Thanks sharpone2, I believe this the type of info a lot of us like to read. I tried once to to have a civil discussion and it didnt work. As I said in my second reply in this post, I think this ammo is cool, and I understand that has some great uses. I will once again apologize to S1, in order to have a civil discussion about this ammo. I have also edited my previous post. |
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No problem, johnnybravoo. We have no problem with providing information when asked for. I can provide pictures of game taken with the ammo but all you would see would be dead game. I know for a fact that June of last year a sizeable Brown Bear was taken with our 300 WinMag and it was shoulder shot but the picture only shows a dead bear on the ground. What you would need to see are necropsy photos of game taken with the ammo and we unfortunately do not have any hunters willing to or able to perform this on the game they have taken with the ammo. S1 was correct in that there is footage on the show Expedition Safari of a Gemsbuck and a Vaal Rheebok taken with our ammo. The Gemsbuck was taken with one shot at a distance of 728 yards with our 300 WinMag. No, it did not run off but instead fell over on its side and tumbled down the hill it was standing on. Yes, the SS uses our 300 WinMag but we cannot provide documentation on this due to nondisclosure statements that we had to sign. I wish I could provide the documentation to you but that is the way it is. S1 did help in the development of the round along with Harold Beal the inventor, Dr. Martin Fackler, and Mark Carraci among others. Anyone wishing to contact me off list may do so for photos and such.
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statjunk - You would not know intelligence if it steamrolled you. Your signature line says it all about you.......
"I have come to understand that I really enjoy learning things the hard way." briman - Too many drugs and cartoons can be a bad combination. Sober up and seek professional help. What you really have here is a bunch of egotists with absolutely zero experience or first hand knowledge trying to BS their way through a subject they know absolutely nothing about. What they should do is just shut up and learn, but their egos won't let them. Instead they falsely pontificate, make disparaging remarks, offer BS conjecture, or just outright lie. Here are just a few examples: longrifle1000 - from page 1 - "The world is full of idiots, and this statement just proves it." legion - from page 1 - "I didn't understand how a bullet that is less dense than lead and disintegrates on impact would be better for hunting or self-defense." The truth is, the bullets are much denser than lead and don't disintegrate on impact. jonnybravoo77 - from page 1 - "I beleive if you hit a bone directly; it would just splash. This would leave the deer with a broken leg, a gaping wound, and you would never find the deer." The truth is, these bullets will easily penetrate the shoulder bone of moose, elk, and bear. I know because the animals are hanging on my wall. A deer shoulder is nothing compared to these larger animals with much tougher bone. I have killed countless deer with these bullets, and found everyone of them dead within 7 feet of where they were shot, most fell in their own tracks. swampcollie - from page 2 - "I'm with you longrifle, I'd bet money it would splash on bone... heck its designed to splash." Another sudo bet lost, and how would he know what the bullet was designed to do? More BS conjecture from someone who has zero idea and zero experience, just more disinformation. swampcollie - from page 2 - "the rock salt/seasoning duck shot was a better idea than this." More lies. These bullets are not an idea, they are products that work, and have been very successful for over a decade.  More BS from someone who has no clue.doedumper - from page 2 - "Yet another gimmick comes down the pipe" How would this BS artist know if they were a gimmick? He has never ever shot one of these bullets. More BS from someone who has zero knowledge and zero first hand experience. I have over 100 one shot kills with bullets he thinks are a gimmick. If they are such a 'gimmick' why does he not put on a chest plate and vest and prove they are a gimmick? The dead elk on my wall don't think they are a gimmick. As a matter of fact the dead animals on my wall don't think at all. In this, they have much in common with doedumper. oldsmellhound - from page 2 - " Might be great on varmits, but on medium-large game all I can see is a recipie for disaster..." All this guy can see is his own fabricated BS. More BS and fear mongering thrown in for good measure. Not an ounce of truth in his irresponsible and false statement. Last I checked moose, elk, and Grizzly were not classified as "VARMINTS". jonnybravoo77 - from page 2 - "Thesepeople have been playin in the bullsh*t for so long, I think they like the smell." More disparaging BS from someone with zero first hand knowledge, and not even the slightest clue about what happens in the real world when a big game animal is killed with one shot by a DRT bullet. doedumper - from page 3 - "Nothing like making a bad hit or a direct heavy bone hit and leaving a festering wound that will kill the animal....3 days later! Hell yeah...now we dont even have to gut them quarter them or nothing and the buzzards will be forever grateful!! More histrionic crap from a liar that has never killed one animal with this technology. I have killed hundreds of animals with lead, and hundreds with tungsten. None of them took 3 days to die from a festering wound. The animals I have shot with tungsten die quicker than the ones shot with lead, and they don't run. I have found every single animal dead within a few minutes if not sooner. Once again real life experience shows this histrionic dribble of doedumper to be exactly what it is, more BS from someone who has no clue, or real world experience with the products he is spreading histrionic misinformation about. As anyone can see every single disparaging remark about this technology and the people who have used it, was made by irresponsible types that collectively have not tested or fired one single bullet of this technology. Lies, misinformation and fear mongoring do not trump real world experience, and it NEVER WILL. The lack of morality of people that spread this type of misinformation, and disparage the work of great men like Harold Beal, and Marty Fackler, some of the best ever in the ballistics world is shameful and disgusting. These cowards hide behind their keyboards and pretend to be experts, at the expense of the real experts like Marty Fackler and Harold Beal. So show us you cowards, how many bullets have you designed and manufactured? How many core materials have you tested? How many hundreds of thousands of live rounds have you fired on return to battery guns? How many live tissue tests have you conducted? Please show your data and results, prove your expertise, show us the product you have designed that work so well. Show us your products and expertise and tests, or shut the hell up. |
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The foolish rantings of 6 internet punks does not trump the lifetime of ballistics work of true professionals like Marty Fackler, Harold Beal, Bob McCoy, and Mark Caracci.
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Hey look on the bright side- your moronic and insulting rantings probably lost you a few hundred potentialcustomers. I would have been interested in trying DRT ammo out, especiallyin the AR-15 for hunting, and I'm sure others had interest for their own reasons as well, but most people- me in my drug hazed existance included, are turned off by obnoxious ranting instead of straightforward well conceived answers to questions.
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How far do the pistol bullets penetrate? Are they designed just like the rifle bullets? I know that their have been some concerns over the use of tungsten the past couple of years, is this the primary core powder, or do you use something else? Also curious what other calibers you might come out with. Thanks
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Briman - your posts are so well concieved you could be a 7 year old playing on his mommies computer. You probably should not be handling bullets of any type, and I know that no intelligent man would buy your immature BS, much less make buying decisions based on your crap. I don't care what a fool like you buys or thinks.
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LOL. I guess I'll continue to feed the troll.
Once again, the BS of amatuers, does not trump the work of real professionals.  |
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johnnybravoo - the pistol bullets are designed to penetrate 1 1/2 to 3 inches then disperse in the body cavity. While the rifle bullets are hollow point the pistol bullets are truncated. At present we are producing .223, 30/30, 30/06, 300 WinMag, 308, 300 H&H, we are waiting on the tooling for 243 and 270. In pistol we are producing 9mm, 38 special, 40 SW, and 45 ACP. The core is a blend of Tungsten and Tin Powder with the Tin powder as the binder.
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briman - You have not brought one intelligent question to this thread, and continue to show your immaturity. You have no experience or knowledge about the topic of this thread, so why are you here? Your ego won't let you go? Or is it your lack of self worth that drives you to your foolishness?
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ORIGINAL: sharpone2 Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo. To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that. The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round. Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site. Yes, the ammo has been in use by DefGru since the mid '90s. It cannot be approved for use by the frontline troops due to the Hague convention and the fact that it is a hollow point. Dr. Martin Fackler did in fact work on the Terminal ballistics of this round. Anyone who wishes to contact me off list, I will be glad to provide them with a picture of a soap block that Dr. Fackler shot with one of our 79 grain .223s showing the resulting wound cavity. The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there. The gentleman who claims to have seen us at a Gun show, I would like to know where this was, as the only "Shows we have been involved in are the Arkansas Tactical Officers Conference, SWAT Roundup International, and Safari Club International Convention in Reno back in January, with the exception of a live fire demo for the American Sniper Association and Crosshairs.org in New Hampshire back in November. I'm not saying that he didn't see something like ours, but I do not know of any Gun Shows that we have been involved in. We have several hunters in Africa right now using our 300 WinMag on Plains Game. Yes, in the one testimonial on the web site the Deer did wander about 20 yards from where it was shot, and it was shot with a 79 grain not an 87 grain .223. The .223 is legal in South Carolina and he wished to try it, he said in his testimonial he would prefer using the heavier 87 grain in the future. The 79 grain .223 will work as an excellent Deer round but is on the small side for this application, thus the Deer wandering a short distance from point of shot. The 79 grain leaves a wound cavity slightly smaller than a football in size. |
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jeepkid, I am sorry to hear this. I didn't hear about this until today. We have several out there that are using our .223 on yotes with great success. If you wish to contact me off list I would be glad to provide you with contact information on those using the ammo at present. I am not here to defend S1 other than to say he had nothing to do with the misconception over the "gut shot" and to say that he has not spread any BS about our product. It is what we claim it is and we have shown this time and again to many in the Law enforcement community. If I knew of a gathering of hunters where we could demo like we do with Law enforcement we would be glad to do so. Also, when we demo for Law enforcement, we insist on using their weapon systems so that there is no question of us using tricked out weapons.
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Sharpone2,
It is too bad you associate with S1. I would have probably tried your product but, not now. You seem to be an alright guy by looking at your post but, as the old saying goes if you lie with dogs don’t be surprised if you get fleas. If S1 had anything to do with it I cannot support it. Sorry, I just can’t deal with any company that would support, condone, or associate with that type of person. mello ps. Your knives are pure art work. I loved the Damascus Bowie |
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Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo. To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that. I'm not saying it does, just that it isn't straight forward. The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round. Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site. The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there. ...Deleted by CalHunter... You came here with a giant chip on your shoulder. I asked for an answer to the bone question, not some cock and bull story. Which is what you put out there. This is what your "answer" was. I addressed the shoulder bone issue specifically on page 2 of this thread, "If you have not shot both technologies, compared them side by side, then you should not be talking smack about something you know absolutely nothing about. The 200 grain PT 30 caliber bores a 1/2 inch diameter hole in the shoulder of an Elk, liquifies the lungs, 1/2 of the heart, and the top 1/3 of the liver. Not to mention the animal drops to the ground like a puppet with the strings cut. " I addressed it again on page 4, "There is no truth to the statement that these bullets are designed to 'disintegrate on impact'. Tungsten is much harder than lead, and about 25 percent denser than lead in our core's format. Even the lightest compressed cores that I have tested easily penetrate the front shoulder bone of the largest North American Big Game. I specifically look for a quartering towards me shot opportunity so I can blow bone fragments into the lung area when using this bullet technology." sharpone2- Thanks for trying to clear the air. I will not be trying any of your ammo though. We are a shotgun only state. I also would likely NOT do business with your company based on the actions of S1. There are too many bullet makers out there who are good people to deal with. I might have been interested in your handgun rounds, but I tend to deal with stand up individuals. And S1 is anything but that. At least he hasn't been here. And I have a feeling that we saw his true colors in this thread. But none the less, I hope nothing but the best for you and your company. It is a tough market. Good luck. I am done with this mess of a thread. |
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longrifle - I am sorry for how this has all played out. In reference to the Gelatin block issue, there is footage on our web site showing the terminal ballistics in an FBI certified gel block with one of our 7.62 rounds. We will be adding more footage as we can. We have to reformat if from VHS to DVD or whatever it takes to get it on the web. I just make bullets I don't know anything about the computer end of it.
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Sling - in reviewing this thread I saw your early post about being put on a mailing list for our product. I try to make sure I ask permission of everyone before I add them to our mailing list if I did not do this with you my mistake. Please contact me off list and I will remove you from our distribution list. Anyone else here that has previously contacted me for information and been added to our list may contact me as well for removal.
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I won't be signing up for any for any kind of mailing list- your business doesn't pass the smell test, and besides, I don't want to accidentally end up on S1s homo-child-raping-porn mailing list.
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briman - I wasn't asking if anyone wanted to be added to our mailing list. As I stated "Anyone who has previously contacted me for information and was added to our list and wishes to be removed may contact me to do so." I have tried to be civil in my posts to this forum and replys like yours are in my opinion totally uncalled for. I have said nothing to warrant any finger pointing or name calling, however indirect by someone such as yourself.
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Briman - You don't pass the smell test, and your replies have been off topic and twisted, seek professional help. Psychos like you should not buy or own guns or ammunition of any type.
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ORIGINAL: S1 The foolish rantings of 6 internet punks does not trump the lifetime of ballistics work of true professionals like Marty Fackler, Harold Beal, Bob McCoy, and Mark Caracci. IT NEVER WILL. |
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nothinspecial - Thats exactly right. The God I worship, you don't know. Buy a Mathews bow fool, get a clue.
Biman QUOTE - "probably because he's the same messed up person as you posting from a second account." I wonder what this liar will concoct next, when a moderator tells the truth that our IP's are different and we are in different parts of the country? Sharpone2 has done nothing but tell you the truth and be civil. Several guys wanted to have a civil discussion, and you kept up the lewd and sick behavior, just to distract from the quality of this thread. Why don't you go back to hanging out with your fat boyfriend and leave your mommy's computer alone. You add nothing intelligent or useful, and are the strongest case for abortion I have seen yet. Sharpone does not have to apologize for me. I don't represent his company or care what bullets you buy, you are an idiot that should not have access to loaded ammunition. I don't apologize for telling the truth and never will. There are television shows broadcasted all over the country showing African game being taken with one shot from this bullet technology, and you and your buds are trying to BS everyone and say the bullets will splash on the shoulder of a deer half the size of the African game taken on TV. STAY IN THE DARK AS LONG AS YOU LIKE. KILLS DOCUMENTED ON VIDEO, AND THOUSANDS OF BIG GAME ANIMALS KILLED, JUST PROVE YOU TO BE THE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE. THIS STUFF WORKS, AND WORKS BETTER THAN LEAD. |
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Just thought I would jump in to this discussion with a statement, since I am part of the management at DRT. We are currently making what we think is a superior product on the market today. If you have any questions about the ammo or its capabilities, please contact us through our website or directly. We are not represented on this site and do not agree with the manner in which this discussion has been presented. Please do not take the opinions expressed in this discussion as something that is coming fromour company or its representatives.
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To all posters in this thread, I am going through and cleaning out the most offensive of posts here. This serves as a warning to keep it friendly folks. No sexist, homophobic, profane or otherwise vulgar posts. Please review our policys /rules for posting if you have any questions.
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ORIGINAL: Arp To all posters in this thread, I am going through and cleaning out the most offensive of posts here. This serves as a warning to keep it friendly folks. No sexist, homophobic, profane or otherwise vulgar posts. Please review our policys /rules for posting if you have any questions. Thank you for your cooperation. Arp If it continues, accounts will be banned! Everything Arp mentioned is uncalled for and unnecessary. Thank your Arp for taking the time to clean this thread up. |
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DTrain and Sharpone2, both of you are welcome to continue answering different polite questions about your company's products in this thread. If one of our members posts something out of line, please contact me or admin directly. Welcome to the campfire as fellow hunters.
IPSC and a few others who had legitimate questions regarding hunting and bullet performance, you are welcome to make further inquiries. Some members have a genuine interest in these bullets and technology. HNI is a clearinghouse for this type of information so that hunters can learn more from each other. Although I probably won't switch from my Nosler Partititons for elk hunting, I am curious to learn more about how these rounds work and their performance on various animals. If anybody has a problem with another member posting something inappropriate or flaming, please contact admin or a moderator directly and do not participate in a flame war. If you continue to post inflammatory comments that insult or offend other members, you will be banned. This is a permanent ban so please do not take this risk. CalHunter Moderator |
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I will say I learned a great deal about this type of ammo after reading this thread. I am more of a shoot with the camera and sometimes a bow person, so I called a relative who is military and talked to them at length about the applications of this type of ammo and its applications in the military. It was very interesting to say the least.
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Well since there were a lot of untrue statements about these bullets made early on in this thread, and you guys banned the one guy telling the truth, and left much of the flames directed towards him unedited and not
 removed, I will post some evidence, as I have watched the guy you banned take bear and elk with one shot kills using these bullets. S1 has killed more big game animals with this technology at long range than anyone else. No sane person would dismiss that many one shot kills.I find it remarkable the lude and crude things that were said about s1, his sexual orientation, and his mother, yet the offending posters who said these things are still posting and were not banned. This type of selective enforcement of the rules show the true character those running this forum, and can't be well received by any objective person reading this thread and actually interested in the truth. How unfortunate, an how obvious the prejudice. Below is a picture of two bears that were both shot in 2003 through the front shoulder and died in their tracks. The one on the left was a 340 pound female shot at 85 yards, and the one in the right of the picture was a 300 pound male shot at 565 yards through the front shoulder. The male also fell to the ground without running. The previous statements made about these bullets splashing on bone are just false. When you actually hunt with these bullets and skin the animals, you will see for yourself, an elk shoulder and a moose shoulder are no match for the 200 grain bullet. You can read what was written 4 years ago about these bears at http://artactical.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/853600194/m/949104476 Happy hunting, don |
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