The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
12-04-2007, 03:28 PM
#51
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
ORIGINAL: jorkep
newsflash, i guarantee you that every single bullet ever made has failed at one point or another.
newsflash, i guarantee you that every single bullet ever made has failed at one point or another.
The nosler ballistic tip is a good bullet if loaded below 2950 ft per second. if loaded above that bettet seperates i have shot many rifles and had same results 165 gr and heavier are good to same fps, they shoot good on paper but would not say they are good for all around game there are many other good bullets out there to choose from. premium bullets were made for hunting ballistic tips were made for punching paper ask the pros, it is stated in just about every major magazine. lost the largest south texas whitetail to a nosler ballistis tip i wont shoot them again except for varmits or paper
Submitted by: bowbroadhead
Shot many deer with nos. bt. ------150 gr. 30-06 40 yds made no exit bullet disintgrated--257 rob nos bt 40 yds from treestand hit behind shoulder bullet disintegrated and ran down the rib cage frags exited brisquit---30.06 150 bt broadside jacket seperated no exit... all deer recovered with some effort and luck have had absolutly no problems with nosler partitions on game at anytime stick with partitions on anything larger than varmints
Submitted by: dan boyle
I have had less than favorable results with the Ballistic Tip bullet. I shot whitet tail deer with the bullet. Tracked them all over 1/2 mile. I shoot a 7 mm rem ultra mag. The 140 grain ballistic tip acts more like an explosive bullet than a hunting bullet in deer from this rifle. They separate on impact with the shoulder blade. Very little damage behind shoulder blade. Never achieved exit wound. Retired ballistic tip in favor of Barnes X.
Submitted by: Georgia
[align=left]Date: 11/16/2005 [/align]
Rifle used: 700 custom
[align=left]Caliber: 7mm ultra mag[/align]
Hunting performance: 1
Accuracy performance: 5
I have been using the Nosler BT in a variety of calibers for years. The bullet has taken at least 15 whitetails for me. Unfortunately, I had an extremely bad experience last season. At 80yds I shot a buck quartering toward me. The deer ran closer to me at 25yds. after being hit and stopped. I watched him for a moment expecting him to drop. He didn,t and took off full tilt. I had to shot him again. I found out what the problem was when I was gutting him. The first BT bullet completely seperated. I found the copper jacket, with no lead inside it, rolling around in his chest. The lead core had disintigrated into tiny fragments, which I also found inside the chest. There was no exit wound and no evidence of any damage on the exit side. The bullet was a complete failure. The deer was not bleeding from the first wound nad would have been difficult to recover without the second shot. Not Good!
Submitted by: Painless
12-04-2007, 03:41 PM
#52
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis
check these comment from reloadersnest.com out (BTW lose the attitude):
check these comment from reloadersnest.com out (BTW lose the attitude):
the internet - a place where anybody can make up anything
12-04-2007, 03:47 PM
#53
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
Okay kid,
I can tell when I'm being played.... But I can assure you that I am not making anything up. what do I have to gain by fabricating a story such as this. I think that most on here would agree that I'm not prone to hyperbole and stretching the truth.
Believe whatever you want to believe.
I can tell when I'm being played.... But I can assure you that I am not making anything up. what do I have to gain by fabricating a story such as this. I think that most on here would agree that I'm not prone to hyperbole and stretching the truth.
Believe whatever you want to believe.
12-04-2007, 04:18 PM
#55
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis
Okay kid,
I can tell when I'm being played.... But I can assure you that I am not making anything up. what do I have to gain by fabricating a story such as this. I think that most on here would agree that I'm not prone to hyperbole and stretching the truth.
Believe whatever you want to believe.
Okay kid,
I can tell when I'm being played.... But I can assure you that I am not making anything up. what do I have to gain by fabricating a story such as this. I think that most on here would agree that I'm not prone to hyperbole and stretching the truth.
Believe whatever you want to believe.
12-04-2007, 07:38 PM
#56
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
But I've never had a failure with my Sierra gamekings, or Nosler Partitions so I won't be experimenting again anytime soon.
Well some people have experienced failures with the partition,even though you haven't.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1828085/page/1#Post1828085
From the link above.
But the reason it didn't penetrate all the way is shown below. The picture doesn't make it too clear, but the bottom of the jacket is hollow. The lead core that should be beneath the partition was gone.
Yep, same thing happened to me about a dozen years ago... The bullet was a 130 Partition shot from a .270 Win into an elk about 80 yards away. All that I recovered was the piece of copper tubing like you have in your pic. The piece of copper was found on the far side and under the hide, so the bullet almost exited on the broadside elk.
Being that I"ve seen same with Partitions, and thats what drove me away from them, failure to penetrate 2 fairly simple shots where I thought the partition should shine, that was the point in life I swayed to mono bullets.
Ever since my 180 partition, 30 cal, 300 wtby appx 3127 IIRC, hit a 225 pound whitetail in the neck at under 150 yards, and stopped on THIS side of the neck, I"ve avowed those bullets as possible problems. That took another shot. So did a stem to stern one same load in a Nilgai, shattered hip joint and stopped....
12-04-2007, 07:55 PM
#57
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
Well some peoloe have experienced failures with the partition,even though you haven't.
I've never had a partition fail to do what the maker said it would do, but i have had "three" partitions that i can remember, thatdidn't pass through...Does that mean they failed???
I like my bullets to exit, but i wouldn't say those threepartitions failed... All three of them broke a lot of heavy bone and still gave good penetration...
DM
12-04-2007, 08:14 PM
#58
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
Ok I usually stay out of this stuff because it is a bicker session....BUT.... There has been some really rediculous stuff said. For 1: For true accurate test info please refer to a Nosler reloading guide, the info used is accurate and helpful. That said, I am on the bandwagon with stubble, rammer, and some of the other guys I "know" and know that they know their stuff. BT's are great hunting bullets across a variety of ranges. The closer you hit a critter and faster said bullet impacts, the more agressive the expansion will be....i.e. (Have shot many a deer with BT's and a Pronghorn or 2) have 2 150 grainers out of a 308 recovered from oppsite hide on 150# whitetails - MV 2900FPS Range 20-30 yards. Bullet size >2x diameter. I have a few others that were from 200+ yds on quartering deer...they look like textbook mushrooms. Never a failure the polymer will not melt, it is there for aerodynamics at long ranges and to promote expansion to an extent. The jacket on HUNTING rated BT's is tapered and engineered for HUNTING expansion! I get tired of people saying the a bullet is the cats meow in a 300 WSM but licks the big one out of a 300 Win Mag and other silly comments. To take it one step more: A 150 Ballistic tip out of a 300 Mag (at standard 150 velocities)impacted at 200 yards will react similar to the same bullet out of an '06 or 308 at 100 yards yielding desirable performance.
That said they are not the best close up mega magnum bullet but they are a good quality hunting bullet IMO.
Sorry for my rant.
That said they are not the best close up mega magnum bullet but they are a good quality hunting bullet IMO.
Sorry for my rant.
12-05-2007, 02:40 AM
#59
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
newsflash, i guarantee you that every single bullet ever made has failed at one point or another.
i don't really have an attitude. i actually think people like you are quite comical, and those reposts actually only make me laugh harder.
the internet - a place where anybody can make up anything
12-05-2007, 06:03 AM
#60
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RE: The bad rap on Ballistic Tips
After all they are just hollow points with pretty plastic nipples snapped into the hole. And why are bullets given a hollow point? To make them expand much more rapidly. The more rapidly a bullet expands and increases its frontal surface area the less it will penetrate. That being the case I think that their ability to pentrate on sharp angled shots is suspect.