What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
07-21-2007, 02:46 PM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
The sad truth is neither one of these will do anything any better than it's grandpa the "30-06".
For brown bears and moose, i'd pick my .338-06 over my 3006 every time!
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07-21-2007, 04:55 PM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
IMO there are two very deserving wildcats that should become standard factory chambering.....the 6.5-06 and the .338-06......both are not only excellent but in the common and useful range for most hunters.
07-21-2007, 05:47 PM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
Technically the 338-06 is not a wildcat, back in 1998 I beleive it was registered with SAAMI by A-Square and was once availible in the Weatherby lineup. I have a buddy that has one and it's quite a rifle/cartridge combination.
07-21-2007, 07:57 PM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
shot the 25-308 over chrono today. With 117 gr hornady interlock RN and imr4831, it averaged about 2865 fps. That is virtually identical to the .260 w/ 120 gr bullet and imr4831 and about 100 fps faster than the bob or savage with a comparable load. I am not showing any pressure signs yet and have enough room for another 1 to 1.5 gr of powder. I might get 3000 with a 117 gr pill.
According to the ballistics calculator, with a 200 yard zero, it will drop 7.4 at 300 with a velocity 2228 and 1289 ft/lbs. Those numbers are just about dead on the same as a 243 and 260 at those distances.
Which answers my original question. There is no real need for a factory 25-08. It's fun, but many others do the same.
According to the ballistics calculator, with a 200 yard zero, it will drop 7.4 at 300 with a velocity 2228 and 1289 ft/lbs. Those numbers are just about dead on the same as a 243 and 260 at those distances.
Which answers my original question. There is no real need for a factory 25-08. It's fun, but many others do the same.
07-22-2007, 06:09 AM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
ORIGINAL: okgobbler
shot the 25-308 over chrono today. With 117 gr hornady interlock RN and imr4831, it averaged about 2865 fps. That is virtually identical to the .260 w/ 120 gr bullet and imr4831 and about 100 fps faster than the bob or savage with a comparable load. I am not showing any pressure signs yet and have enough room for another 1 to 1.5 gr of powder. I might get 3000 with a 117 gr pill.
According to the ballistics calculator, with a 200 yard zero, it will drop 7.4 at 300 with a velocity 2228 and 1289 ft/lbs. Those numbers are just about dead on the same as a 243 and 260 at those distances.
Which answers my original question. There is no real need for a factory 25-08. It's fun, but many others do the same.
shot the 25-308 over chrono today. With 117 gr hornady interlock RN and imr4831, it averaged about 2865 fps. That is virtually identical to the .260 w/ 120 gr bullet and imr4831 and about 100 fps faster than the bob or savage with a comparable load. I am not showing any pressure signs yet and have enough room for another 1 to 1.5 gr of powder. I might get 3000 with a 117 gr pill.
According to the ballistics calculator, with a 200 yard zero, it will drop 7.4 at 300 with a velocity 2228 and 1289 ft/lbs. Those numbers are just about dead on the same as a 243 and 260 at those distances.
Which answers my original question. There is no real need for a factory 25-08. It's fun, but many others do the same.
Given the correct powders, a larger capacity case can always be loaded to produce higher velocitiesthan one that holds less, if both are loaded to the same peak pressures. The way the rounds using the .308 case manage to produce such high velocities is by being loaded to higher pressures.
I am not a partisan of either round, having only owned one .25, a .25/'06. This is merely a general comment .
07-22-2007, 04:26 PM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
a larger capacity case can always be loaded to produce higher velocitiesthan one that holds less,
And how about all those .338-06's getting .338 Win Mag. V's? AND, those 280 Rem's getting 7 Rem. Mag. V's?????
You got's to be wrong!!
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07-22-2007, 06:49 PM
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RE: What sleep wildcat would you like to see in a factory chambering?
ORIGINAL: DM
Now, you know that isn't true!! I'm always seeing guys on this site saying their 308 Win. is every bit as fast as anyones 3006!!!
And how about all those .338-06's getting .338 Win Mag. V's? AND, those 280 Rem's getting 7 Rem. Mag. V's?????
You got's to be wrong!!
DM
a larger capacity case can always be loaded to produce higher velocitiesthan one that holds less,
And how about all those .338-06's getting .338 Win Mag. V's? AND, those 280 Rem's getting 7 Rem. Mag. V's?????
You got's to be wrong!!
DM
IMHO,a terrific wildcat is the '06 Ackley and the 35 Whelen/improved. The gunwrighters play these cartridges down so they can get their money grubbing hands on the big pot of money the manufactures feed them....and you don't need to limit your shooting to a Few dozen rounds. These are just my thoughts and 45.....no 46 years experience reloading.
OBTW, I own a 6.5-'06 Imp....decent on deer, however, not my choice for larger. Regards, Rick.
