Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
05-13-2007, 01:44 PM
#21
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
If a hunter can not handle a larger caliber rifle, then that hunter will probably also have a problem with the 7 mag. as well.
And the 7mag. with a 175 grain bullet(elk bullet), is not point blank at these ranges.The larger caliber's-like the 338 Winnie are flatter shooting at the longer distances, past 300 yards. Tom.
05-13-2007, 02:07 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
To Stubblejumper: I am not saying that you are wrong. I am only repeating what the elk guides have told me. I did not even mention a 30-06. So I have no idea where that comment came from?
Also if you believe that a 140 grain 7mm bullet is as good as a 225 grain or even a 250 out of a 338 Win. Mag. Then I can not think of an argument to combat that logic. Also IMO- if you dive into the trajectories-past 300 yards, you will not find alot of difference between your 140 grain, and a good 225 grain 338. Also IMO in the west the wind is normally a larger problem than bullet drop, and I am pretty sure the 338 with a large bullet is superior in wind bucking capability. Tom.
Also if you believe that a 140 grain 7mm bullet is as good as a 225 grain or even a 250 out of a 338 Win. Mag. Then I can not think of an argument to combat that logic. Also IMO- if you dive into the trajectories-past 300 yards, you will not find alot of difference between your 140 grain, and a good 225 grain 338. Also IMO in the west the wind is normally a larger problem than bullet drop, and I am pretty sure the 338 with a large bullet is superior in wind bucking capability. Tom.
05-13-2007, 03:00 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
and they tell me that they are seeing more and more 375 H&H's, in elk camp.
05-13-2007, 03:08 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
Also IMO in the west the wind is normally a larger problem than bullet drop, and I am pretty sure the 338 with a large bullet is superior in wind bucking capability. Tom.
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculati...raj_basic.html
I chose the 140gr partition for the 7mmremmag and the 225gr partition for the 338win mag to keep the bullet style consistant.Checking in several manuals the 140gr partition can usually acheive 3200fps out of the 7mmremmag,while the 225gr partition can usually acheive 2800fps out of the 338win mag.
Let's start with trajectory.Both with a 200 yard zero
7mm-140gr partition drops 5.8" at 300 yards and 17.1" at 400 yards.
338win mag-225gr partition drops 7.9" at 300 yards and 22.8" at 400 yards.
wind drift-10mph wind
7mm-140gr partition 6.1" at 300 yards and 11.3" at 400 yards
338-225gr partition 7.0" at 300 yards and 13" at 400 yards.
05-13-2007, 03:39 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
Plus the 338 Win Mag with a 225 grain bullet will generate about 9 foot pounds more recoil than the 7mm Rem Mag with a 140 grain bullet at those velocities listed above.
05-13-2007, 04:24 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
Since about a jiiion elk have been killed with the 270, 30-30, 44-40, 30-40 krag, 300 Savage and even the 243 and 25-06, It would be ridiculous to assume that the 7 Mag is to light. It used to be the skill of the hunter not, using a cannon. If the elk get any tougher it will require ordnance on wheels.[:@]
05-13-2007, 06:38 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
I guess you have heard about the mutant species of elk in Colorado that have been eating hunters too? Rumor has it one was kidnapped by aliens and gentically mutated to have reactive energy shields.....this species is rumored to be extremely dangerous and entirely impervious to any silly earthling weapons!!!
05-13-2007, 06:56 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
I guess you have heard about the mutant species of elk in Colorado that have been eating hunters too? Rumor has it one was kidnapped by aliens and gentically mutated to have reactive energy shields.....this species is rumored to be extremely dangerous and entirely impervious to any silly earthling weapons!!!
05-13-2007, 07:32 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
Using the calculator at the link below.
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/traj_basic/traj_basic.html
I chose the 140gr partition for the 7mmremmag and the 225gr partition for the 338win mag to keep the bullet style consistant.Checking in several manuals the 140gr partition can usually acheive 3200fps out of the 7mmremmag,while the 225gr partition can usually acheive 2800fps out of the 338win mag.
Let's start with trajectory.Both with a 200 yard zero
7mm-140gr partition drops 5.8" at 300 yards and 17.1" at 400 yards.
338win mag-225gr partition drops 7.9" at 300 yards and 22.8" at 400 yards.
wind drift-10mph wind
7mm-140gr partition 6.1" at 300 yards and 11.3" at 400 yards
338-225gr partition 7.0" at 300 yards and 13" at 400 yards.
Also IMO in the west the wind is normally a larger problem than bullet drop, and I am pretty sure the 338 with a large bullet is superior in wind bucking capability. Tom.
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/traj_basic/traj_basic.html
I chose the 140gr partition for the 7mmremmag and the 225gr partition for the 338win mag to keep the bullet style consistant.Checking in several manuals the 140gr partition can usually acheive 3200fps out of the 7mmremmag,while the 225gr partition can usually acheive 2800fps out of the 338win mag.
Let's start with trajectory.Both with a 200 yard zero
7mm-140gr partition drops 5.8" at 300 yards and 17.1" at 400 yards.
338win mag-225gr partition drops 7.9" at 300 yards and 22.8" at 400 yards.
wind drift-10mph wind
7mm-140gr partition 6.1" at 300 yards and 11.3" at 400 yards
338-225gr partition 7.0" at 300 yards and 13" at 400 yards.
05-13-2007, 08:55 PM
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RE: Is the 7mm. Rem. Mag dieing?
Just bringing the thread back to the disappearing 7mm mag from the Elk conversation.....I was using the 7mm mag when most weren't and I've seen more switch to 7mm mags tham from away them. It's not the only cal. that I have in my gun safe but it's a cal. I wouldn't be without.