Sniper151

Quality, innovation, reliabilityand accuracy go to the Germans.Mass production goes to the USA. Japs receive the award for the worst firearms, but an "A" for their aircraft design in the early years of WW II.

eldeguello

You are correct about this. And, in the final analysis, U.S., British, Canadian, and ANZAC soldiers proved to be the equal of any the Axis powers had, after they'd acquired some combat experience.

eldeguello

I wil agree that the Japs had some pretty bizarre firearms, but there was absolutely NOTHING WRONG with the 6.5mm Arisaka. Their artillery and naval guns were also equal to anyone else's. As a matter of fact, that Arisaka's design elements made it the STRONGEST bolt-action rifle ever produced, at least up through the time when the quality control was removed from the manufacture of everything Japanese.....

North Texan

If it happens outsided our borders, it's probably not that important.

48thguns

Hello Sniper. Have you ever fired a type 99 Arisaka? The rifle is superbly accurate, very simple to disassemble and clean/replace things, had a monopod and innovative AA sight that no other country even thought of. My dad flew B25's in the SP and always griped about ground fire on LL strafing runs. The Type 99 7.7 is a powerful, accurate wonderfully built rifle. Even Jack O'Connor mentioned the arisaka action was the strongest BA rifle ever made. Can't agree with "worst firearms" based on my experience with them.

I would have to say the best rifle would be the SMLE in the bolt action catagory and the Garand overall. Many many units never even were issued Garands in WWII so it was a johnny come lately. The 1st Marine Division took Guadalcanal with 03's and still had many of them when relieved by the Army.

I'm not going to vote in the poll because each rifle in their own way was excellent....I wouldn't want to have been hit by any of them. The ultimate WWII weapon was only fired twice and that ended the whole thing. Very intresting thread and very much worth the read.

Had the thread been on WW1, WWII and Korea......my vote would have gone to the Enfield. Regards, Rick.

Alpha Capo

i guess nowadays we better hope China never gets a wild hair up their ass...if they do look out.

the Germans had the best weapons....they only lost the war because of Hitlers Paranoia and greedyness...he stretched his forces way two thin...he should have never bothered Britain or Russia....and haveing the japs bomb pearl harbor to get our attention was the worst thing he could have ever done...I could almost guarantee if he didnt do thosethingsthat all of Western Europe would/could very wellbe called Germany today.



The Germans had the MP44 wich was way ahead of every other rifle (birth of assault rifle) and had ajust as good/bettersimi auto in the gewehr43 compared to the american carbine. imo

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Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44); Maschinenpistole 43 (MP43); Maschinenpistole 44 (MP44);


Sturmgewehr 44

Type
Light automatic rifle/assault rifle

Placeoforigin
Nazi Germany

Service history

In service
July 1944–May 1945

Used by
Nazi Germany, East Germany

Wars
World War II

Production history

Designed
1943

Produced
July 1944–May 1945

Numberbuilt
425,977

Specifications

Weight
5.22 kg (11.5 lb)

Length
940 mm (37 in)

Barrellength
419 mm (16.5 in)





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Cartridge
7.92 x 33 mm (7.92 mm Kurz)

Caliber
8 mm (.31 in)

Action
Gas-operated, tilting bolt

Rateoffire
500-600 rounds/min

Muzzlevelocity
685 m/s (2,247 ft/s)

Effectiverange
300 meters

Feedsystem
30-round detachable box magazine

Sights
adjustable 800meter sights with Rear: V-notch; front: ring with vertical post
Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44) was an assault rifle developed in Nazi Germany during World War II and was the first of its kind to see major deployment. It is also known by the designations Maschinenpistole 43, Maschinenpistole 44 (MP43 and MP44, respectively) which denotes earlier versions of the same weapon.





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[/align][ul]1 Description
2 Background
3 MKb 42
4 MP43
5 MP44, StG44
6 Late prototypes
7 Post-war
8 Further reading
9 See also
10 References [/ul]

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[edit] Description
MP43, MP44, and StG44 were different names for what was essentially the same rifle, with minor differences in production and dates. The various names were a result of the complicated small arms nomenclature in Nazi Germany. Developed from the Mkb 42(H) "machine carbine", the 'StG44' combined traits of carbines, submachine guns and automatic rifles. StG is an abbrevation of Sturmgewehr. The name was chosen for propaganda reasons and literally means "storm rifle" as in "to storm a bunker" (although Sturm also refers to the weather phenomenon, adding a second meaning). After the adoption of the StG44, the English translation "assault rifle" became a common class description of this type of infantry small arm.
The rifle was chambered for the 7.92 x 33 mm cartridge, also known as 7.92 mm Kurz (German for "short"). This shorter version of the German standard (7.92 x 57 mm) rifle round, in combination with the weapon's selective-fire design, provided most of the controllable firepower of a submachine gun at close quarters with much of the accuracy and power of a Karabiner 98k bolt action rifle at intermediate ranges. While the StG44 had less range and power than the more powerful infantry rifles of the day, Wehrmacht studies had shown that most combat engagements occurred at less than 300 meters with the majority within 200 meters. Full-power rifle cartridges were simply overpowered for the vast majority of uses for the average soldier.
The StG44's receiver was made of heavy stamped and welded steel, a fairly unusual construction method for rifle-caliber small arms. This made for a fairly heavy rifle, especially one firing an intermediate-power cartridge. Difficulties with fabrication, the need to use available non-priority steels, and the exigencies of war resulted in a heavy, yet fairly weak receiver that was vulnerable to damage from impacts. The receiver could be bent and the bolt locked up by the mere act of knocking a leaning rifle onto a hard floor. [1] It was uncomfortable when shooting from the prone position, the buttstock was not strong and could be easily damaged in hand-to-hand combat.
Nevertheless, it was the first weapon of its class, and its proven effectiveness in combat would cause the StG44 to have a major impact on modern infantry small arms development. By all accounts, the StG44 fulfilled its role admirably, particularly on the Eastern Front offering a greatly increased volume of fire compared to standard infantry rifles.

[edit] Background
At the start of the Second World War German infantry was equipped with similar weapons as most other forces. A typical infantry unit was equipped with a mix of bolt action rifles and some form of light or medium machine guns. One difference from other armies was the emphasis on the machine gun as the primary infantry weapon, as opposed to it being thought of mostly in the support role. German units tended to be machine gun "heavy", carrying more ammunition for the machine gun than for the rifles, using belt ammunition for their more modern section-level weapons to maintain a higher rate of fire, and generally thinking of the rifle as a support weapon of secondary importance. Although newer rifle designs had been studied on several occasions, they were never considered very important.
One problem with this mix was that the standard rifles were too large to be effectively used by mechanized and armored forces, where they were difficult to maneuver in the cramped spaces of an armored vehicle. Submachine guns such as the MP28, MP38, and MP40 were issued to augment infantry rifle use and increase individual firepower, but suffered from a distinct lack of range and accuracy for ranges beyond 100 meters. A small fast-firing weapon would be useful in this role as well, but again the need did not seem pressing.
The issue arose once again during the invasion of the Soviet Union. The Red Army had been in the process of replacing its own bolt action rifles in the immediate pre–war era. Increasing numbers of semi-automatic Tokarev SVT38 and SVT40s were reaching Red Army units, though issue was generally restricted to elite units and non-commissioned officers. Submachine guns were extremely widespread, and issued on a far larger scale; some Soviet rifle companies were completely equipped with fast-firing PPSh-41 submachine guns. [2]
This experience with high volumes of hand-held automatic 'assault' fire forced German commanders to rethink their small arms requirements. The German army had been attempting to introduce semi-automatic weapons of their own, notably the Gewehr 41, but these early rifles proved troublesome in service, and production was insufficient to meet forecast requirements. Several attempts had been made to introduce lightweight machine guns or automatic rifles for these roles, but invariably recoil from the powerful 7.92 mm Mauser round made them too difficult to control in automatic fire.
The German solution was to use a round of "intermediate" power, somewhere between that of a full-power rifle cartridge and pistol ammunition. Experiments with several such intermediate rounds had been going on since the 1930s, but had been constantly rejected for use by the army. By 1941, it was becoming clear that action needed to be taken, and one of the experimental rounds, the Polte 7.92 x 33 mm Kurzpatrone (short cartridge) was selected. To minimize logistical problems, the Mauser 7.92 mm rifle cartridge was used as the basis for the final 7.92 mm Kurz intermediate round, which also utilized an aerodynamic spitzer rifle bullet design.

[edit] MKb 42
Contracts for rifles firing the Kurz round were sent to both Walther and Haenel (whose design group was headed by Hugo Schmeisser), who were asked to submit prototype weapons under the name Maschinenkarabiner 1942 (MKb 42, literally "machine carbine"). Both designs were similar, using a gas-operated action, with both semi-automatic and fully-automatic firing modes.
The original prototypes of Haenel's design, the MKb 42(H), fired from an open bolt and used a striker for firing (the mechanism is based on the Czechoslovak ZB vz.26). The receiver and trigger housing with pistol grip were made from steel stampings, which were attached to the barrel assembly on a hinge, allowing the weapon to be "folded open" for quick disassembly and cleaning. The Haenel design proved superior to Walther's MKb 42(W), and the army then asked Haenel for another version incorporating a list of minor changes designated MKb 42(H). One was to include lugs for mounting a standard bayonet, another to change the pitch of the rifling. A production run of these modified versions was sent to the field in November 1942, and the users appreciated it with a few reservations. Another set of modifications added a hinged cover over the ejection port to keep it clean in combat, and rails to mount a telescopic sight. A run of these modified MKb 42(H)s in late 1942 and early 1943 produced 11,833 guns for field trials.
Ultimately it was recommended that a hammer firing system operating from a closed bolt similar to Walther's be incorporated. The gas expansion chamber over the barrel was deemed unnecessary, and was deleted from successive designs.

[edit] MP43
While the new version was under development in late 1942, infighting within the Third Reich was in full swing. Hitler was increasingly concerned with this, and after Hermann Göring had created the FG 42 in a separate program from the army's similar Gewehr 41 efforts, Hitler cancelled all new rifle projects completely. This included the production of the MKb 42(H). One concern was that the new weapon used a new ammunition type which would further hamper an already daunting logistics problem.
In order to preserve the weapons development, a new project at Gustloff was started to produce a similar weapon using the original Mauser round, the Mkb 43(G). Whenever Hitler asked about the progress of the rifle, he was always shown one of these prototypes, although there was no intention of producing them. Meanwhile the newest version of the original Mkb 42(H) was called the Maschinenpistole 43 (MP43) to disguise it as an upgrade to existing submachine guns. Another change fit a rifle grenade launcher attachment from the earlier MKb 42(H) to the MP43/1.
Eventually the truth surfaced and Hitler ordered the project stopped once again. However in March 1943 he allowed the run to continue for evaluation purposes, which then continued until September, and due to the positive combat reports it was allowed to continue.

[edit] MP44, StG44
On 6 April 1944, Adolf Hitler issued the following decree:

a) The former MG42 is to retain the same designation
b) The former self-loading rifle, known as the Gewehr 43, shall receive the designation Karabiner 43 (K43).
c) The former new MP, known as the MP43, shall receive the designation MP44.
In July 1944 at a meeting of the various army heads about the Eastern Front, when Hitler asked what they needed, a general blurted out "More of these new rifles!" This caused some confusion, but once Hitler was given a chance to test fire the MP44, he was impressed and gave it the title Sturmgewehr. Seeing the possibility of a propaganda gain, the rifle was again renamed as the StG44, to highlight the new class of weapon it represented, literally "assault rifle, model 1944", thereby introducing the term.
By the end of the war, some 425,977 StG44 variants of all types were produced. The assault rifle proved an invaluable weapon, especially on the Eastern front, where it was first deployed. A properly trained soldier with an StG44 had a greatly improved tactical repertoire, in that he could effectively engage targets at longer ranges than with an MP40, but be much more useful than the Kar98k in close range urban fighting, as well as provide light cover fire like a light machine gun.
The StG44 was an intermediate weapon for the period; the muzzle velocity from its 42 cm barrel was 647 m/s, compared to 880 m/s (K98k), 744 m/s (Bren), 600 m/s (M2 Carbine), and 365 m/s (MP40).
One unusual addition to the design was the Krummlauf, a bent barrel with a periscope sighting device attached for shooting around corners from a safe position. It was produced in several variants, an "I"-version for infantry use, a "P" version for use in tanks (to cover the dead areas in the close range around the tank, to defend against assaulting infantry), versions with 30°, 45°, 60° and 90° bends, a version for the StG44 and one for the MG 42. Only the 30° "I" version for the StG44 was produced in any numbers.
A primary use of the MP44/StG44 was to counter the Soviet PPS and PPSh submachine guns, which used a 7.62 x 25 mm round. These cheap mass-produced weapons used a 71-round drum magazine or 35-round "box" magazine and though shorter-ranged than the Kar98k rifle were more effective weapons in close quarter combat. The StG44, while also lacking the range of the Kar98k, had a longer range than the PPS/PPSh submachine guns and a comparable rate of fire. Also, while they could fire fully automatic, they were designed to default to semi-auto fire. They were surprisingly accurate, and their slow rate of fire gave them controllability even on full-auto. While the design details are quite different, the concept of the StG44 was obviously carried on in the most famous and most numerously manufactured assault rifle, the AK-47.

[edit] Late prototypes
Mauser developed several prototype Sturmgewehr 45 assault rifles, first with the Gerät 06 (Device 6) using a roller-delayed blowback mechanism originally adapted from the roller-locked recoil operation of the MG42 machine gun but with a fixed barrel and gas system. It was realized that with careful attention to the mechanical ratios, the gas system could be omitted. The resultant weapon, the Gerät 06(H) was supposedly slated for adoption by the Wehrmacht as the StG45. This mechanism would later be developed by former Mauser engineers in Spain and used on the post-war CETME and Heckler & Koch's G3 assault rifle and MP5 submachine gun.
Towards the end of the war, there were last-ditch efforts to develop cheap so-called Volksgewehr rifles in the 7.92 x 33 mm caliber. One of these Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 (the VG 1-5) used a gas-delayed blowback action based on the Barnitzke system, whereby gas bled from the barrel near the chamber creates resistance to the rearward impulse of the operating parts, which ceases when the projectile leaves the muzzle, allowing the operating parts to be forced rearward by the residual pressure of the cartridge case. This principle has been used most successfully in the Heckler & Koch PSP or P7 pistol.

[edit] Post-war
Generally accepted as the world's first assault rifle, the StG44's effect on post-war arms design was wide-ranging, as evidenced by Mikhail Kalashnikov's famous AK-47, and ultimately in the U.S. M16 and its variants.
The Soviet Union, who also had lacked large number of deployed light machine guns like the BAR, was quick to adapt the assault rifle concept. The AK-47 used a similar-sized round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically much different.
Many of the other Western countries continued using their existing weapons. The 7.62 x 51 mm NATO round that was adopted was no smaller, though the adoption of smaller rounds had been a pre-existing trend. For example, the M1 Garand, which was initially developed for the .276 (about 7 mm), was changed at the direction of General MacArthur to use the previously existing .30-06 Springfield cartridge to be common with existing ammunition stocks and weapons. Some modification was made, using a lighter 150-grain (9.7 g) bullet for the Garand, rather than a heavier 172-grain (11 g) bullet intended to be optimized for the M1917 Browning machine gun.
Eventually, NATO moved from the 7.62 x 51 mm to another intermediate cartridge, the 5.56 x 45 mm, but the weapons that were adopted varied significantly and marked a different interpretation of what was needed in an intermediate weapon than the AK-47 and StG44. They used an even smaller higher velocity round, and the weapons themselves were lighter. In terms of size and weight, they were closer to the M2 Carbine (a fully-automatic version of the M1), and the cartridge design itself had a history dating back before the 1900s. The USSR noted the advance and incorporated these differences in the improved AK-74, which was lighter and used a 5.45 x 39 mm round similar to NATO's version.
As for the Sturmgewehr itself, it remained in use with the East German Nationale Volksarmee until it was eventually replaced with variants of the AK-47 assault rifle. Argentina manufactured their own trial versions of the StG44 in the late 1940s and early 1950s [3], but made the decision to adopt the FN FAL instead in 1955 [4].
The StG44 is currently in service with the Lebanese Forces [5]. It is also used in limited numbers by irregular forces in some countries in the Horn of Africa and the Middle East.

[edit] Further reading
[ul][*]Senich, P. (1987). German Assault Rifle: 1935-1945. Paladin Press. ISBN 0-87364-400-X [/ul]
[ul][*]Handrich, H. D. (2004). Sturmgewehr! From Firepower to Striking Power. Collector Grade Publications. ISBN 0-88935-356-5 [/ul]

[edit] See also
[ul][*]List of World War II firearms of Germany[*]List of firearms[*]Assault rifle [/ul]


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falcon

"As a matter of fact, that Arisaka's design elements made it the STRONGEST bolt-action rifle ever produced, at least up through the time when the quality control was removed from the manufacture of everything Japanese....."

From the Frank de Haas book, Bolt Action Rifles, revised edition. De Haasran a .30-06 reamer into the chamber of sorriest Japanese rifle that he had everseen. He fired three rounds each of three different loads in it by remote control.

Load#1: Case full of IMR 3031 and a 180 grainjackeded bullet: Flattened primers.

Load#2: Case full ofIMR 4198 and a 180 grain jacketed bullet: Primer pockets expanded and webs split.

Load#3: Case full of Hercules 2400 and a 180 grain jacketed bullet: Things happened; barrel, receiver and bolt were intact. Bolt stop was sprung, extractor gone, floor plate, follower spring and follower were gone. The case head had welded itself to the bolt. Right side of receiver over the extractor cut was slightly sprung. De Haas gave the barrel to a gent who installed it on his rifle and used it.

My first tour in Korea i was in an Army EOD unit. The Koreanpolice often gave us weapons to blow up. We kept the nice ones and fired them to our hearts content when we could get the ammo. The Koreans were always digging in the Japanese ammo dumps and we usually had a good supply of ammo. My pride and joy (i still have it) is a 7.7mm Type 99 Japanese rifle made in 1939, the first year of production. The mum is intact. The only ammo i could get was the stuff in 30 round brass strips for the Hotchkiss MG. Met an Army NCO who is a Niesiand who had been forced to serve inthe Japanese Army in WWII. i complained about the recoil of my pristine Type 99 rifle. He nearly had a coronary when he found out that i was firing semi-rimmed very high pressure MG ammo in my rifle.

48thguns

Hello Falcon. I LMAO! Great post. I own a 1942 Korkura Type 99. It is a wonderful shooter and has the intact Mum as well. Here's a pic of the beastie. Regards, Rick.

falcon

Congrats on the pristine Type 99.

48thguns

Our little yellow friends were very clever.....They took the K98 Mauser and made it better.....they've been doing the same thing since their industrial revolution. Thanks for the kudos on the 99. I traded for many years to find a nice one. Someone should start a thread on foreign military rifles.....K98, GEW,M96/38 Swede, M95 Mauser, M38 Sako, M95 Steyr, Type 99, Swiss K31, Mosin, SMLE, Turk, Spanish et al, SKS, Yugo.....my gosh, the list seems endless. I'm sure everyone has a favorite. I think I'll do that. Regards, Rick.