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best short action round
i am looking for the "best" short action round, i live in iowa so really id only use it for a week a year here for the centerfire rifle deer season. however there is a good possibilty that i will be going on some other hunts for black bear and elk, and mabey pronghorn and mule deer. I have a browning a-bolt in 25-06, im looking at the 300wsm or the 325wsm, but im almost ready to get a 308 win and handload it up some, just for the conveiance of being able to go to wal-mart and get shells for it and shoot it real
cheap.wondering what recoil would be like on the 325 wsm in a browning micro a-bolt. thats my first pick so far, what do you all think? |
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The 308 is the best, forget the WSM's they won't be around in 10 years.
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I'd go for the .308 also. Or maybe a 7mm-08. In reference to the .308, why would you need to "handload it up some"? A .308 is good to go on whitetails out to 400 yards or so.
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308
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300 wsm would be my choice , they are very popular , and I believe they will be with us as long as we have guns .
The remington usm have not sold so they may fall by the wayside . |
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ORIGINAL: ijimmy 300 wsm would be my choice , they are very popular , and I believe they will be with us as long as we have guns . The remington usm have not sold so they may fall by the wayside . |
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ORIGINAL: Pighunter56 The 308 is the best, forget the WSM's they won't be around in 10 years. The micro is a few oz lighterplus shorter, so I wouldexpect the recoil to be more rapid and the barrel to jump more in it vs the regular abolt (medallion or hunter). I have not shot a 325 wsm but it will producemore then your 25-06, whether or not it will be tolerable only you can determine that. You already own a great antelope and deerrifle in the 25-06 rem, so look for a rifle that will meet your elk criteria. While the 308win is capable I would personally be looking at 3006 or 300's if you want to use the .308 diameter bullets. Since you seem to want a short action chambering the 300WSM seems like the logical step to take. Good luck |
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ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM ORIGINAL: Pighunter56 The 308 is the best, forget the WSM's they won't be around in 10 years. The micro is a few oz lighterplus shorter, so I wouldexpect the recoil to be more rapid and the barrel to jump more in it vs the regular abolt (medallion or hunter). I have not shot a 325 wsm but it will producemore then your 25-06, whether or not it will be tolerable only you can determine that. You already own a great antelope and deerrifle in the 25-06 rem, so look for a rifle that will meet your elk criteria. While the 308win is capable I would personally be looking at 3006 or 300's if you want to use the .308 diameter bullets. Since you seem to want a short action chambering the 300WSM seems like the logical step to take. Good luck |
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ORIGINAL: Pighunter56 I'm gonna end it, I've already been kicked off 3 forums, for pleading my case against the WSM's:D |
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ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM ORIGINAL: Pighunter56 I'm gonna end it, I've already been kicked off 3 forums, for pleading my case against the WSM's:D |
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308 would be fine. 7mm-08 is my personal favorite
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I don't know who some of you talk to but reading and talking to other hunters, wsm are always in conversation. Most like them, why wouldn't you? One gun owner said the 300 wsm and 270 wsmhavebeen some of her best sellers in recent years.She said right there with you traditional 30-06 and 270win. Actually the 308 has been her least popular out of the 5 I mentioned. Go figure right. I guess it depends where you live, I can see the Remington SAUM going under but not the WSM's. I just purchased a brand new model 70 in 300wsm. She should be a tack driver!
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ORIGINAL: BRIZBO i am looking for the "best" short action round, i live in iowa so really id only use it for a week a year here for the centerfire rifle deer season. however there is a good possibilty that i will be going on some other hunts for black bear and elk, and mabey pronghorn and mule deer. I have a browning a-bolt in 25-06, im looking at the 300wsm or the 325wsm, but im almost ready to get a 308 win and handload it up some, just for the conveiance of being able to go to wal-mart and get shells for it and shoot it real cheap.wondering what recoil would be like on the 325 wsm in a browning micro a-bolt. thats my first pick so far, what do you all think? But for the great portion of the use you will be putting it to, the .308 Win. is great. So would be the .338 Federal. |
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ORIGINAL: tmeservey I don't know who some of you talk to but reading and talking to other hunters, wsm are always in conversation. Most like them, why wouldn't you? One gun owner said the 300 wsm and 270 wsmhavebeen some of her best sellers in recent years.She said right there with you traditional 30-06 and 270win. Actually the 308 has been her least popular out of the 5 I mentioned. Go figure right. I guess it depends where you live, I can see the Remington SAUM going under but not the WSM's. I just purchased a brand new model 70 in 300wsm. She should be a tack driver! |
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ORIGINAL: eldeguello ORIGINAL: BRIZBO i am looking for the "best" short action round, i live in iowa so really id only use it for a week a year here for the centerfire rifle deer season. however there is a good possibilty that i will be going on some other hunts for black bear and elk, and mabey pronghorn and mule deer. I have a browning a-bolt in 25-06, im looking at the 300wsm or the 325wsm, but im almost ready to get a 308 win and handload it up some, just for the conveiance of being able to go to wal-mart and get shells for it and shoot it real cheap.wondering what recoil would be like on the 325 wsm in a browning micro a-bolt. thats my first pick so far, what do you all think? But for the great portion of the use you will be putting it to, the .308 Win. is great. So would be the .338 Federal. |
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The .308Win. is a great short action cartridge, easy on the shoulder and easy on the wallet too!
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If you handload (which based on your post you do), then there is no better round for medium sized game than the 7mm-08. NONE!
And I don't consider the WSM's to be "short actions".....they are short mags....just how I see it. |
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I have owned three different short mag's. In my opinion the 300 WSM is an excellent cartridge. There have been alot of new cartridges introduced lately. IMO this is one of the few that has merit. First of all it fits in a short action. This feature again IMO makes for a more accurate round, and if wanted, a lighter rifle. I have read alot about the accuracy of these rounds, I can attest that the 300 WSM is indeed an accurate cartridge. I believe the round will be around, because it does have something to offer. Buy some brass and rock and roll. Tom.
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I may as well chime in here. I have a 7mm WSM and a 243. I like them both but I must admit that I agree with almost everyone lese in saying 308 over all. I can get 3300 FPS outta my 7mm WSM but at the cost of 74 grains of powder. The 308 will get you what you need, you just wont have the ease of shot (flat trajectory) for long shots of a short mag. Get a 308 or 7mm 08. EJ
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I'd get the 300 WSM. One of the most popular cartridges on the market today. Not only is it a very hot seller, but in the field it has the performance to back it up as well.
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For the question posed...a 358 win (maybe the 308 if bear wasnt thrown in)
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Recoil will be punishing with a Micro Medallion in .325 WSM.
I'd go with a .308 if cheap ammo is your main concern. If not, a hunter is pretty wll set up for anything with your .25-06 and a new .338 Federal. ;) |
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Ialso favor the .300 WSM. Ibought one this spring and took three deer with it this fall. Great for long range deer hunting or general big game hunting. I prefer the .30-06 for deer under 200 yards. The 300 WSMtravels so quickly at short ranges, it passes through deer without delivering all its energy. I might try a ballistic tip bullets next year.
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I like the 308. To me its the best short actionfornormalhunters and shooters. Very capable at longer ranges. Easy to find cheap and premium ammo.
300wsm betterfor the long range hunters and shooters. Black Bear and Elk will be the same amount of dead or woundeddepending on shot placement, with either one. |
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Get the 300 WSM and don't look back. I researched before I bought mine. I'm a traditional 270 win deer guy but after deciding on the 300 wsm, I'm definetely very happy. I know the cartridge to be very accurate and I love a short action bolt in the classic model 70 reciever. This cartridge is a best seller now in most gun shops, ask around and you will see. I'd say it is as versitile as a 30-06 with slightly better ballistics as a bonus. Deer I would fire a 150 0r 165 graner, Elk even moose, the 180 grain will give em a wallup!
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ORIGINAL: tmeservey Get the 300 WSM and don't look back. I researched before I bought mine. I'm a traditional 270 win deer guy but after deciding on the 300 wsm, I'm definetely very happy. I know the cartridge to be very accurate and I love a short action bolt in the classic model 70 reciever. This cartridge is a best seller now in most gun shops, ask around and you will see. I'd say it is as versitile as a 30-06 with slightly better ballistics as a bonus. Deer I would fire a 150 0r 165 graner, Elk even moose, the 180 grain will give em a wallup! |
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Shooters Sporting Goods-woman who owns it tells me regularly, Salesman at Gander Mountain, Kingston NYhas sold more WSM than the 30-06 or 270, or so he says., have 3 friends that just purchsed three 300WSM's....two after Christmas, the other about a week ago. I purchased one 3 weeks ago myself.Just some first hand knowledge I personally was told and have seen. Not to mention all theOutdoor Channel programs. Many of the gun/hunting journals have all good things to say about these cartridges. Bass Pro Shops hunting show has supported these short mags calibers in all their gear discriptions before their hunts. the 300WSMand 325 WSM is usedalmost exclusively by their staff. Many other hunting showshave these popular WSM's on all the time. They are being bought and are very popular.
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ORIGINAL: tmeservey Shooters Sporting Goods-woman who owns it tells me regularly, Salesman at Gander Mountain, Kingston NYhas sold more WSM than the 30-06 or 270, or so he says., have 3 friends that just purchsed three 300WSM's....two after Christmas, the other about a week ago. I purchased one 3 weeks ago myself.Just some first hand knowledge I personally was told and have seen. Not to mention all theOutdoor Channel programs. Many of the gun/hunting journals have all good things to say about these cartridges. Bass Pro Shops hunting show has supported these short mags calibers in all their gear discriptions before their hunts. the 300WSMand 325 WSM is usedalmost exclusively by their staff. Many other hunting showshave these popular WSM's on all the time. They are being bought and are very popular. |
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ORIGINAL: Pighunter56 Can you explain to me the PRACTICAL advantage they have over the original line of Winchester Mags, and no, I'm not talking about gun weight, and other BS factors, tell me if they are better than the belted magnums. They are top sellers, they are extremely popular. The WSM line is an overwhelming success. I personally think that the 300 wsm and 270 wsm are excellent cartridges. I can't say that they are better or worse than other cartridges but they are a viable alternative. I prefer the 300 wsm I own to other 300 win that I've owned over the years because it is more accurate. Can you explain to me why you are so adamately opposed to them? |
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I believe they are better than the belted magnums. The best reason, IMO, is that they headspace off the shoulder, and not off the belt. Overall a cartridge is more accurate if it headspaces off of the shoulder, instead of the belt. I also belive a short action is more accurate than a long action. I also believe the shorter, fatter case gives better powder(consistent) burn.
I will not argue about here today and gone tomorrow. Who cares, I may be gone tomorrow.I would not buy the new cartridge if I bought factory rounds. However I reload and the price for reloading is about the same. Maybe a little more because I have to buy the brass. If I was buying factory ammo, I would buy a 30-06. But since I am reloading, I enjoy the extra performance. Tom. |
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Pig your arguments against the WSM's seemed tohold more weight when you were Chatancler111.
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Pig- According to many gun experts including my God father who is a Investigator for the state police and has testedmany popularhunting calibers through NRA stuff and his personal love and passion of Big Game cartridges and ballistics, he says SMags are more accurate and a tad faster than traditional magnums.. His sniper buddie says they are more accurate also.He hunts with one and loves it.I don't know personally and I've never handled a 300 win mag. Ballistically I believe the 300 WSM is alittle faster.Many articles written in some top noch gun publications say short magnums are more accurate on paper.
And yes i do prefer the short bolt on these guns. |
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ORIGINAL: tmeservey Pig- According to many gun experts including my God father who is a Investigator for the state police and has testedmany popularhunting calibers through NRA stuff and his personal love and passion of Big Game cartridges and ballistics, he says SMags are more accurate and a tad faster than traditional magnums.. His sniper buddie says they are more accurate also.He hunts with one and loves it.I don't know personally and I've never handled a 300 win mag. Ballistically I believe the 300 WSM is alittle faster.Many articles written in some top noch gun publications say short magnums are more accurate on paper. And yes i do prefer the short bolt on these guns. |
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ORIGINAL: Duckbutter48 Pig your arguments against the WSM's seemed hold more weight when you were Chatancler111. |
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ORIGINAL: tmeservey Not to mention all theOutdoor Channel programs. Many of the gun/hunting journals have all good things to say about these cartridges. Bass Pro Shops hunting show has supported these short mags calibers in all their gear discriptions before their hunts. the 300WSMand 325 WSM is usedalmost exclusively by their staff. Many other hunting showshave these popular WSM's on all the time. They are being bought and are very popular. |
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I have no idea why I was even banished to begin with, i didn't do anything wrong, you all just pissed and moaned that I be banned, well it worked.
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ORIGINAL: ipscshooter ORIGINAL: tmeservey Not to mention all theOutdoor Channel programs. Many of the gun/hunting journals have all good things to say about these cartridges. Bass Pro Shops hunting show has supported these short mags calibers in all their gear discriptions before their hunts. the 300WSMand 325 WSM is usedalmost exclusively by their staff. Many other hunting showshave these popular WSM's on all the time. They are being bought and are very popular. |
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They are not identicle, either one is slower or one is faster.
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ORIGINAL: tmeservey They are not identicle, either one is slower or one is faster. |
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It sounds like the "hunting community" has bought into it. Maybe you are the sap for not giving the WSM's some credit?
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