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They deserve no credit, they ripped off already successful cartridges. I don't know where you live, but, the WSM's are not doing as good as you are speaking,they are simply fixing a problem that never existed.

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Ok grumpy pants, they're doing better than you think...I'm sorry WSMs and I upset you.....man you are funny!!!! I know my150 grain winchester supreme BST is going a good 3300 FPS when I hunt deer. I believe your Win Mag. is slower in that category. Correct me if I'm wrong. 180 grainers are almost identicle from what I've read in Guns and Ammo Magazine.?????

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Yeah, they load the WSM's a little faster on purpose, so people that are uninformed, like yourself, will believe they are superior.

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But, its alright, all of us who don't buy into the Short Mag craze, are gonna have the last laugh.

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I really like the 300 WSM, it will do anything my 300 Win or 300 Wby will do on game animals with less powder and recoil. All 3 are pretty close to one another with 180gr and under bullets....animals wont know :D

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You say you never handled a .300 Win Mag? that kinda tells me something, and it ain't positive:D

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As much asI hate to admit it, your right.[:@]

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Actually they don't load them hotter because that would be a safety concern and if that was proven..bad PR.. It's called scematics. My spelling might be wrong? The design of the case allows for a better powder burn which in affect delivers alittle more performance. If you think Winchester is falsely advertising this then that's your problem.

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7mm saum.

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thanks for all the point of veiws out there. im still undicided about what to do, if browning and federal would link up to put an a-bolt in .338 fed togather i would already know what im getting. i like the 308 win because if im out west in some back woods place, and lose, forget, shoot my ammo a local hardwear store, gas station ect. would have something for me. im not a " long range" shooter, id rather get closer and hunt than shoot from 400 yards and kill. just my pref. and it IS shot placement that kills not speed and newnes. and i dont know why i like my brownings so much, mabe it was the year riding around Iraq behind a M-2 browning 50cal, she never let me down when my ass was on the line. so im probly at 60% for the 308win and 40% for the 300WSM. thanks to all.

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Ruger is chambering the .338 Fed in the new Hawkeye. You might want to take a look at that.

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.308 hands down. 7mm-08 would be a close second.

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Are you speaking from running them over a chrony out of your rifle or what the box tells you? I suspect the later since that is what is on the box! You may be suprised if you run themacross a chrony. Even if the numbers are remotely close on the boxes the difference between the 2amounts to very little. I don't think you'll find to many that have found the 300wsm out performs its300 wm counterpart in terms of performance levels but it does offer differences with similar performance of upto 180 gr bullets.If yougo above the 180 gr bullet class the 300 WMgets the nod.

Nothing wrong with either of these cratridges IMHO and game won't know the difference as stated previously. I think both have a place in the market and will be in demand for years to come.

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skeeter- point well taken and I agree. But when you compare the 300 WSM and 300 WM up to 180 grains, they are comparable but the WSM has better ballistics. Lets go back to my deer load senario in the Winchester Ballistic Silvertips.....my 300WSM is @ traveling 3300fps....the 300 WM is traveling @ 2950 fps. Not really a big deal but could be a deciding factor for a guy like me that wants every edge possible.

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sorry, I have to correct myself. The win Mag is going closer to 3250fps. Both good guns.

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i looked and only found it in stainless and black stock, man i would like it in wood and blued. any were i might find something like that...you got me thinken hard now. thanks much

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I can see no reason that the 270 and 300 WSM would ever fall by the way side. There have been thousands already sold and in my area they are out selling all other cartridges. They deliver the same
me performance in a much shorter action. For me personally, the 308 is all I would ever need. I mean the 308 and the other cartridges based on its casing. The 338 Federal would be the perfect bigger rifle for me. That would just be for Moose and the big bears even though the 308 would probabbly also do it all.

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Ruger is currently on chambering it for the All-Weather version of the Hawkeye. Tikka will chamber it in the T3...I've heard all versions, including the Hunter, which has a wood stock.

I will be getting one of the Ruger hawkeye All-Weather models in .338 Federal soon...I think it will be perfect for me!

And...I don't know if Big Green is listening, but a Mountain Rifle in .338 Federal would be awesome!

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LOL, you arn't gonna see a difference in on game performance between the .300 WSM and .300 Win Mag, and, that, I can guarantee.

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Ok, that settles it, the .300 WSM does not outdo the .300 Win Mag, and will not replace it.

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James, while we are sitting here argueing, you seem to remain calm, and point out the truth, maybe I need to just let you post instead of jumping in. Because, you know what you are talking about.

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Same here!;)

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it isn't so much the performance, its the fact that many people are downing the .300 Win Mag in favor of the new WSM, claiming that the Long Action .300 Win mag "sucks", and most of these people haven't even owned a .300 Win mag before, yet they are talking about all of the disadvantages of it, that gun magazines and the like, have come up with. I'd say Winchester has done a good job advertising, but, to say the .300 Win Mag is obsolete, is very stupid, to me. My point is, the .300 WSM does nothing better than the .300 Win Mag, and the .300 WSM does not make the .300 Win Mag obsolete.

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And you misspelled "gnat":D

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well im guessing that ill end up getting a browning a-bolt in 308 win, or if i run across a tikka T3 hunter in 338 fed first and have the money in my wallet then it might have to come home with me insted. the 308 will probly do anything that the 25-06 might be considerd "light" for and then some, like elk and bear, and the 25-06 will do anything that the 308win might not have the flatnes and reach for. so with those two rifles i think i should be sitten preaty good for what im lookin to do,.........dont ya'll?

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300wsm is the best short action round, ifyou don't want a wsm then get a 308 or a 7mm-08

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300 WSM ;)

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I would go with 308 or 300 WSM, however I am in the process of selling my 308 because I don't shoot it since I got my 300 WSM. I like the caliber so much I bought it in 2 guns. Either will work for what your described uses.

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With the heaviest 30 caliber bullets, the 300 WM will outperform the 300 WSM. By enough to make any real world difference? Not IMO.

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I have read that wsm advertised velocities are inflated. Any body chrono them ?
I also know that the Encore is not chambered in the WSM's, someting about pressures.The Ruger #1 also is not chambered in them for that reason.

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I have read that wsm advertised velocities are inflated. Any body chrono them ?
I also know that the Encore is not chambered in the WSM's, someting about pressures.The Ruger #1 also is not chambered in them for that reason.
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You read right, its all about marketing.

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If you want a lighter magnum gun weight, shorter action, and same velocity performance as the 300WMandalittle better velocity performancewith 150-165 grain bullets, buy a 300WSM.Most guys that shoot WSM's and WM's will tell you the short-fat cases increase their accuracy and performance. Read up on it, it's very interesting even if the tighter groups at longer distances with WSM'sdon't effect your style of hunting. I think WSM's are a great alternative to traditional magnums.

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I think you mean equal velocity with 150-165 Grain bullets.

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Looked at different tables and yes they are almost identicle in those projectiles, the 300WSM is alittle faster. Sorry if that bothers you.[:o]

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Yes, the 300 WSM operates at a higher pressure, and, I have chronyd 300 WSM factory loads they are about 100-150 fps off the advertised velocity, so, you can't always believe what you see. And BTW, the .300 Win Mag loads were usually right on the money, or prtty close.

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To what, reloading manuals or what’s advertised for ammo from manufactures?...:eek:

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A combo of both.;)