35 Whelen
 

Was looking at the Rem 750 Woodsmaster in 35 Whelen... Has anybody had any expierence with this Rifle/caliber???

RE: 35 Whelen
 

No, but would love to try one.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I've had experience with that same, rifle/caliber combo before, I haven't been to impressed with the .35 Whelen, its slow, and big, and not all that powerful. The gun you speak of, however, would make a good gun to carry in the woods.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I'd have to say that combination would be a keeper. I was looking at the Whelen, but went with the 350 Rem instead. I reload and lets just say there weren't a whole lot of factory choices for them, one for the .350 and 2 for the Whelen. Now that Nosler is making 35 Whelan with a 250 gr partition I'd take the Whelen. I wouldn't bother with the 200 or 225 gr in the Whelen, too much unused case capacity.

Good luck,
CE

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Is it hard to find factory ammo for the 35 Whelen???

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Factory 35 Whelen ammo isn't all that common.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

You can order Rem and Nosler ammunition from Midway...

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=3&Categoryid=9354&categorystr ing=653***690***

Good luck,

CE

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Thanks CE... I was begining to think that I was going to strickly have to shoot reloads:)

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I hope you are joking about the performance of the 35 Whelen !

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I shot a doe several years ago with the wheelen. I didn't measure the shot but it was around 100yds and I literally heard the gun go off and the bullet smack the deer. It is a very slow round. It was my uncles gun. I don't know what ammo he was using.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

No joking from me, If I want a medium bore, I use the .338 Win Mag.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

No he's not joking, he just has no idea what he is talking about much like most of his other posts.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

White horse baby White horse;)

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Thats the first time I've heard of anybody put down the 35 Whelen, Myself I have a 9.3X62 which has a little on the 35 Whelen but not enuff to mention.
Check out this article..
http://www.cybertorpedo.com/africanhunter/firearms/35_whelen_zimbabwe_01.htm

And I'm not even going to talk about this anymore ,
WHERES THE TYLENOL ...???! ANDABOTTLE OF OLD CROW !!!!

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Dang ,the 358 Bullet is a wonderful bullet ,I have a 35 Rem. in a 336 Marlin which is a wonderful combo, and with handloads I can easily push 200gr. RN bullets , to 2200fps.. and with low pressure ..andI have yet to have a Whitetail out run that... and the 35 Whelen is alot more gun than the 35 Rem.
I've been putting off building a 35 Rem custom on a Yugo action,just for the heck of it...

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Duckbutter, I'm pretty sure that I know what Im talking about when I say that you're comments arn't necessary towards me, actually, most of the comments I post are correct, only a small portion are incorrect, and I take the blame for them when they arn't right. The .35 Whelen, to me, is a big, slow, and weak cartridge, when the .338 Win Mag can be purchased, who needs a .35 Whelen?

RE: 35 Whelen
 

But, I have found, that when you mess with the .243, and .35 Cal fans, you get burned.:D

RE: 35 Whelen
 

The 338 Win Mag is a fine round for Brown bears and some use it for Elk,
My self I would rather have a 9.3X62 which is almost a ballistic twin to a 35 Whelen AI... And son, its not how fast a bullet goes butits how it functions at a given velocity.....Thats why deem big ole slow bullets penetrate like no tomorrow....and PENETRATION is the first step to a clean kill..not speed...

And unless you are planning to shoot a Bull elk at 300 yd.'s would be served well with a 35 Whelen or a 9.3X62 or a 358 Win. or a 350 Rem. mag...
or dare say a 30-06 or a handloaded 8X57 or a 308 Winny...375 win.,356 win 444 Marlin or the new 308 Marlin or a 45/70 within 200 yd.s ...but a fellow may have to hunt and be skilled to get closer than 300yd.s
They will get the job done

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I agree, Buckeye, I'm not saying the .35 Whelen is a "bad" cartridge, I'm just saying that I don't like it, there is nothing wrong with it, just another classic in the -06 case family. I'm glad that we don't have to argue anymore.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I am starting to build a 35 whelan on a budget. Savage action, A & B Barrel, Boyds JRS stock.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

It won't cost you even one dime to learn how to spell Whelen properly... :D

Anyway, i've hammered a fewmoose ect..with 350 Rem. mags and they are the same difference to a Whelen. They do work pretty good, it's just at that time, i was crawling around in the bush after brown bearsand from my test the .338-06 would out penetrate the 35's... So i went with the .338-06 instead..

These days with NP's available in 35 cal., that may change things a bit??

DM

RE: 35 Whelen
 

you folks that call the 35 Whelen slow and lacking "power" really crack me up... :eek:

RE: 35 Whelen
 

You have to be kidding here right? The .35 Whelen is one one of the hardest hitting rounds around. My buddy shoots one and I have witnessed him flatten caribou at 300 yds like they were hit with a lightning bolt. I have also seen moose flip into the twigs when shot by one. I shoot a .350 rem mag which is basically the same and have never had to shoot twice at any deer , bear or moose I have killed with it. It shoots as flat as most other rounds out to 300 yds and kills way better inside that range. I would have no qualms at all in shooting a grizzly with my .350. I have dropped black bears in thier tracks that were not that much smaller.
I wonder how you can have experience with that rifle/cartridge combo since its quite new?
This reply shows me that you have never killed any game with a .35 cal rifle and I wonder if you have ever owned one at all since its not called "Magnum"? As for factory ammo, remington chambers this round again and has for a while which will guarantee factory ammo will be around.
If you don't have "real" experience with this round then don't give advice. Especially when you base your information on magazine articles.[:@]

RE: 35 Whelen
 

The 35 Whelen deveopes nearly 3400 lbs ME with a 225 grain bullet. Remington loads a 200 grain and 250 grain Corlokts for it. I have heard that Federal is going to drop the ammo for it but I can't swear to that. Its also handy that you can load the 357 pistol bullets in it for plinking. Sierra makes a 200 grain round nose and a 225 Grain BTSP.

I have one in the NEF Handi rifle. You can add some more punch to this one in the NEF by reaming it to 35 Hhelen AI.

Have not tried the Remington semi auto.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

There is nothing wrong with the .35 Whelen, but, you are incorrect in saying that it is one of the hardest hitting cartridges around, I can think of 2 cartridges right off hand that hit harder, I have had experience with the .35 Whelen, I saw it kill a deer, once, and saw the damage it did, not all that impressive, and if I want a heavy hitting medium bore, I reach for the tried and true .338 Win Mag, or .375 H&H, they WILL get the job done, and with plenty of energy to spare. I have also seen a man shooting one of those Remington Guide Gun rigs, in .350 Rem Mag, I wasn't impressed with it either, I never have, and never will, be a fan of the .35 Cal cartridge. I almost forgot, the .338 caliber bullets have a higher SD, than the .35 caliber, so they will naturally, be better at killing game, when penetration is needed.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

This thread cracks me up. The 35 Whelen and Ackley Improved version are the hardest hitting non-magnumMoose cartridges on Earth. A 250 gr Grand Slam Speer at 2600'/sec zeroed at 150 yards is one inch high at 100 yards with 3179'/lbs energy and -2.7 low at 200 yards with 2570' lbs energy. Add 100'/sec for the Ackley and the numbers are more impressive

A 150 gr 30'06 Nosler going 2900'/sec at the muzzle at100 and 200 yards have around 500'/lbs less energy at each range.

Now someone here please school me on how anemic the 35 Whelen cartridge is or please post some numbers to challenge this data....shoot, use 300 Win Mag data for all I care! This is crazy! I want emperical evidence not "I think" stuff.:D

Regards, Rick.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

300 REM. ULTRA MAGNUM BARNES TRIPLE SHOCK X-BULLET






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2566


2361


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2344


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1626





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-48.1

Here you are wise guy.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

The 35's lack the SD of the .338, as well.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

The hardest hitting non magnum on earth is the 50 BMG.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I like this calibre a lot. I shot my first deer with it, and have carried it on a few moose hunts too. I like it because I don't find the recoil bad at all with factory Remington 250's, and it'll knock things down in a hurry.





My first deer, 20 yards with a .35 Whelen

RE: 35 Whelen
 

From Sierra'

338 Win Mag. 250 grain bullet 4033 ME. 2700 FPS 33.1 lb recoil.

35 Whelen 225 grain bullet 3375 ME 2700 fps 22.6 lb recoil.

The 35 Whelen may not be a 338 Win Mag but for all NA game, it stacks up pretty well with 2/3 of the recoil. For a cartridge that came out in the early 1920's and used the plentiful 30-06 surplus brass, its doing well. Talk about tried and true.;)

RE: 35 Whelen
 

225 grains @ 2600 MV = 3374 ft-lb of mojo.... my "standard" hunting load... why? because it is deadly accurate from my tube... and the recoil is in all honesty pretty "ho hum"... i have loaded it up to just shy of 2900 fps (2890 average) before REALLY excessive pressure signs begin to develop in the ole 700 (bolt gets a bit "stiffer" to lift eh)... gee wiz that's onlllly 4198 ft-lb of Mr. Newton authority... all from a ho hum 35 whelen AI...

personally... the ONLY negative thing i have to say about the 35's, of any flavour, is that there is a lack of bullets in varying weights and types these days... when compared to 308 and 338 caliber rounds... and if you don't handload, factory ammo can be difficult to find... but the 338-06 is more difficult to find...

the ole 35. it'll kill a deer as dead as any other round out there.... without issue... been there, done that... and she killed just as well as my 270, 280, 25-06 and 30-06 rounds have in the past... but to my surprise, over and over, without excessive tissue damage ruining meat from a big ole bruise or blood clot under the hide... basically telling me that it is a bit "too heavy" for a deer and would perform to it's full potential better on larger than deer game...

so honestly... on a std long action, '06 size bolt face... NEVER underestimate this round... or the 338-06 for that matter... they are neck and neck performance-wise... but the ole 35 tosses the bigger pills with a bit more finesse and authority...

but then again... i shoot coyote with a 280 rem spitting 100 grain hornadys at nearly 3500 fps... being over-gunned is a pleasure :)

RE: 35 Whelen
 

The 50 BMG was designed as an anti material weapon. Meaning we have to aim at thier weapons or packs, instead of thier heads. So, can we really count it? I love all the cartridges that the 06' gave birth to. The only one i have not owned is a wildcat 6.5-06. The Whelen was built to kill big game like Elk and moose, using a 300gr bullet. Most factory barrels have the wrong twist to stabilize any thing larger than 250gr. Still, she packs a whallop. It will kill anything you desire to put an end to. I am not saying it is the perfect choice for walking into a thicket after a gut shot Grizzly. I wouldn't clamer for that honor, if i had a belt fed full auto 700 N.E. But, if you have asolidrest at reasonable range it will do the job. It has a stout little thump but it doesn't hurt like the magnums.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

konaBoy, who made the rifle you are holding? I like the looks of it. I would like it better with some express style sights and a barrel band sling swivel, but still a real nice weapon.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Ellwood Epps (in Ontario)made the rifle off a Mauser action for my great grandpa. Then when he passed away, he gave it to my dad, and now when I feel like a change, I'll steal it from him ;)Every deer I shoot with that gun is really special to me, because I don't really remember him that well, but all the memories I have are good ones. I love this gun. It's fairly light, I think 7 and a half pounds, short enough barrel so it's not a hassle in the thick bush, and it drops deer pretty quick.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

As James B said, it was introduced in the 1920s. I always heard that time passes by quickly, but that's not new.

You really smoked yourself, heck, it's actually quite funny.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Epps Sporting Goods is still a neat place to visit... If any of you get a chance to stop in, do so as it's STILL like the "old gunshops" were, not like these yuppie stores they have today...

I'm about due for another "stop-in" there myself...

DM

RE: 35 Whelen
 

I think he was reffering toC111's post that he had experience with the.35W in the Rem 350 not the .35W itself. I wondered the same thing since it basically just came out.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

He just amazes me , duckbutter I read his post and I just laugh. There is almost nothing he hasnt shot or owned. Just as this post goes his comment most of the stuff i say is right and the other is wrong What the hell is he saying. I dont know if you read the one about bullet seating depth, he said it made no differnce then when others posted how it worked and originator thanked them for there help --and said glad he could help ??? help with what. I posted a pic of me with my deer and he made a wise comment like a zebra with an over bite then edited it in about 20 min. then he wonders why I am on his case so much. Every time someone questions his post he acts like a 6th grade girl who just got felt up for the first time. If he would post some valuable info it would be different but what do I know I am just a back woods redneck from Mo. or so he says.

RE: 35 Whelen
 

Dan, you’re not talking about Mr. Flip Flop are you.:D By the way, how’s that day at the range comming along ???