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It seems that the more I read on this site, the more I see we disagree on way more things than we actually agree on!
There are some that will use the absolute bare minimum on deer, even if it were a pellet gun, others insist on using something so big they can't shoot it with their eyes open!
Could this be THE ONE thing that we could agree on?!
"Energy levels with ANYTHING from the .260 to .30 calibers, ANY size deer, at usual hunting distances, is perfect! No deer at normal distances from 0-300 yards could ever tell the difference in a .260 or a 30-06! (excluding magnums, and the 30-30, exluding these ONLY due to MORE than enough power or in the 30-30's case shorter range capabilities.)

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I doubt it.

What about the .243s and the quarter bores?

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There is no such thing as a "perfect" cartridge for anything, any rifle is too much for a deer, when hit in the vitals.

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I excluded the .243 and .25's ONLY, so that we could AGREE that anything in the .26-.30 class is sufficient for normal hunting purposes!

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I figured that even the "world record for bigest deer with smallest bullet" and "arm breaker" crowds could agree "that no deer hit with anything from .26-.30 could tell the difference!"

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I have never had a complaint from a deer that I have shot with 22-250 or 243, so what's your point?

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Well Jagman theanswer to your question is obviously NO! Good try though. Maybe try something simpler like we all agree Browning has the letter B in it and then building from there, this is a tough crowd.

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Heck! We can't even get ALL gun owners to support gun ownership! Why was I ever stupid enough to think that we could all agree on one thing!

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I think that we could all agree that the 30.06 is probably the best all around gun for all around hunting purpose. But then again I could be wrong. As to your original question though, I think that you are mostly right. Its just that the way in which you asked it probably just rubs the .243 crowd the wrong way. And the problem with doing that is that there are an aweful lot of .243 plunkers out there. They are kind of like that little guy that you grew up with that always had to prove that he was as tough as everybody else.

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TUK, are you trying to agree with me? Becuase you have been making a lot of statments that I agree with, as of late.

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You got a problem sniping deer with a 22hornet? It is legal 3 hours south of my chuckwagon.

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Yeah, its unethical, and very ignorant, I think most people who hunt deer with a .22 Hornet, or like cartridges, are poaching, or hunting out of season most of the time. Why do it? Use at least a .243, ok?

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I prefer a .270, it's been my main squeeze for 30 yearsbut there are a lot of guys that hunt our place with .243s and they all have freezers full of venison.

Wasn't the current record whitetail shot with a 25-20?

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I think the .270 falls in the .26-.30 range!
And I have nothing against the .243, it will probably be my next buy! To me its a great minimum for deer!

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I think you missed the most obvious agreed upon point:

Looks like about everyone here likes this forum and enjoys using it..

But I could be wrong myself.

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Current typical world record whitetail was shot with a Winchester Model 88 chambered for the 308 Winchester.

As for the .26-.30 cal, I like to use my .243 yet........[:'(]

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Not disagreeing with your caliber choice. Your question was 'can everyone agree' with it and Idon't believe that everyone will agree. That was my point.

I also disagree (reluctantly) that .243 is a minimum for deer. I too thought that way for years but there are way too many deer falling every year to the .223s and 22-250s to draw a hard line at .243.

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The problem with your statement is "energy levels" Energy isnt what kills. You havnt learned that by now ?

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I use a Hornet, one area I hunt is getting pretty populated, to many houses and people, so I use my bow or the hornet, the hornet has been more effective than my bow, havent lost one with the hornet, cant say that about my bow. I had a beautiful 10 pointer a meer 18 yds from me tonight, the time was borderline , 30 minutes after sunset is what were allowed, I passed, with him in my scope. arrrgggg. I'll get him tomorrow. Or the next day. Yes with my hornet.

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I have trouble understanding why people pick the smallest caliber they can too. It really makes no sense whatsoever. Using a hornet on deer is just silly and stupid, whY? I think most of these posts these days are dishonest and just from people that only have maybe one gun, maybe young guys. I beleive most will say anything to prove their point. who's to prove em wrong.

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Amen !
I laid the smack down on 6 axis deer 2 years ago using a .222.
3 never took a step

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Hey, I used to live in downtown Little Rock, and routinely used a .300 Win Mag to hunt deer just outside of town.

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If using a Hornet is silly then using a bow is idiotic. Like I said I havent wounded one with my Hornet but cant say that about my bow.
Wounding or even losing a dead deer running with a bow is inevitable.(sp) But when I use my Hornet they never take a step.

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Big, you share my pain, I don't understand why someone just can't use a sensible caliber like 30-06 or .270, those calibers make more sense, and are much more suited to hunt deer sized game than a .22 Hornet, or similar cartridges.

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Most broadheads that I know of, were actually intended, and designed to hunt deer with, I don't think the .22 Hornet was designed for hunting medium sized game.

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My first example folks.

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Hunting with anything smaller than a .243 in my state is illegal, therefore I cannot use my .223. If I could, I might but only on my own property where I know that I would have a perfect shot and am very confident in my aim. I would also more than likely shoot the deer in the head since I doubt that I would do enough damage if the shot isnt just spot on. The small calibers just dont have enough bullet mass to do proper damage on a consistant basis on medium sized game. But then again the .223 was developed as a man killer for war purposes the way that I understand it. It is a topic that I am torn on. I know that back when things where very tight for my family back in the late 50's early 60's my single shot .22 took more deer than any other gun in our family. But then again it was a means to eat...... Its all about shot placement guys, whether it be a .22LR or a 45-70 it doesnt matter, if you cannot hit the target properly it wont go down. And to Chantecler111, I think that we have always pretty much agreed on most things, there was just one particular post that we strongly disagreed upon and I ended up seeing the light and agreeing with you anyways. Most everything other than in that thread I have agreed almost whole heartedly with you about. You are the man lol.

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Oh no, TUK, you are THE man.;)

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I pretty much agree. Between .260 and .30 cal for typical hunting I doubt 'a deer could tell the difference'.

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We could probably agree if weresisted the need to add comments such asI layed the smack down with .22 cal or if i could use it I would but only head shots, etc. This stuff don't fly with a lot of us, so we feel the need to rebutal and hence starts the disagreement.

BTW Tuk some view the 3006 as the "jack of all trades but the master of none"....

Nature of the beast I guess. Excellent try Jag;)

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I tend to agree, yet when discussing wound ballistics, Army experts such as General Hatcher(Hatcher's Notebook) seem to use impact velocity of a given bullet as the measure of whether or not that bullet is capable of inflicting a dangerous wound or not.Energy levels are notincluded as a measure ofwounding ability.

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It should come as no suprise that I agree with you on this one. Yes I would include the 25's but I sure can't disagree with the core statement. Your posts usually make a lot of sense to me, Even though I have to admit that only I am right all of the time.:D:D

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On the flip side, I can't understand using a 300 WM or WSM on deer (which I have). Deer are not that difficult to kill, and if you use then for range and HAVE to shoot 300+ yards, then maybe you should evaluate your hunting skills. I agree that 270 and 30-06 are great deer cartridges (I have used 270 for years), but deer are different sizes in different parts of the country. Down here in Texas, 243 works great on 100-150 lb deer.

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I agree with the core statement.

But of course it can't end there can it. I for the life of me don't understand why people get so worked up about other peoples choice of weapons. What's it to them?

People, If I choose to hunt whitetail with a 22 hornet or a 338 win mag, whats it to you? You make your choice and I'll make mine. Its kind of like the 30-06/ 270 debate. If you prefer the 06 great, or if you'r a 270 fan terrific. I don't care one way or the other, I'm a 280 man myself. And NO I don't think the 06 is the most versatile weapon. That destinction is a toss up between the 280 and 7 mag for me. Nothing wrong with the 06, it just never flipped up my skirt.

FYI I would have never used a 22 hornet deer hunting until what I saw this year (not that I intend to at all, but). During the youth portion our deer season I saw a youngster shoot a doe at 75 yards with a hornet through the boiler room and the deer only ran 20 yards before it piled up. I was impressed to say the least. Now I don't think that I would want to shoot very far with it but to say 100, the hornet looks up to the task from what I seen. One thing is for sure though, in the 22 calibers the hunter has to insure that well constructed bullets are used. The highly frangible varmint bullets certainly won't do the job.

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Yep, I got two last weekend with my .243. Neither of them took a step. And, hit a running pig at 175 yards. Fun weekend!

On the basic point, I agree, as regards deer sized calibers. I'd also add in the .243, the .25-06, the .257 Roberts, and a few others. However, I wouldn't include cartridges like the .30 Carbine in the list.

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I also agree with you!

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eldequello. How does Hatcher explaine the 45-70 with a 500 grain bullet at 1200 fps killing buffalo? I take it that its not just high velocity he is talking about. Just curous, I am not familar with his writings.

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Not to pick a fight or anything, but I have issues with this statement. It strikes me that you are saying that only on your property do you have the confidence and opportunity to have a perfect shot. Shouldn't a well practiced rifleman have confidence anywhere he/she shoots? A responsible hunter should access the target, what's behind it, over it, under etc., if the shot should be taken and is the weapon in hand up to the task. And how can you state that perfect shot bit? Is the poor lil' deer gonna be fitted with concrete shoes and have a 2x4 propping him up so he can't move? There is no such thing as a perfect shot with humans, they do go your way sometimes on the really difficult ones. And yes, they can feel perfect to the one that pulls it off, but it is subjective. Wind blows, rain falls, animals move and people twitch.
Like I said, not trying to pick a fight here, just don't understand statements like this. Also, perhaps I merely misunderstood your intentions based on lack of sleep etc on my part.

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One of the issues that i dont think many people have thought about, granted i didnt read every single post, is "what if i dont get a good shot off". Now, im sure many people are excellent shooters, but EVERYBODY gets a bad shot off atleast once, and if you havent, then you will eventually. Now when that happens, you want a round that is gonne do enough damage to hopefully do more than just wound the deer. So, knowing that eventually im gonna have a bad shot on a deer, regardless of my skill level, i want it to be with a large enough round that even though it might be off the mark a little, its gonna do enough damage to do more than just hurt it. With a 22-250 or a 223, I couldnt say that i would feel comfortable enough taking a shot knowing that if i didnt hit him just perfectly right(which is gonna eventully happen to everyone) that it wouldnt down him quickly and permanently. I would prefer to always have more gun than neccessary because eventually you are gonna make a bad shot and the only thing in your favorwill be having a large enough round to pick up the job where you couldnt come through (ie. do enough damage to make up for your bad shot). I cant see anything worse than shooting an animal and doinglittlemore thancreating an animal that is gonna hobble and be in pain for the rest of his life because I wanted to hunt with a gun that i knew would do little more than injur the deer if i didnt hit it perfectly.

However, all of us will eventually make a bad enough shot to where the size of the round prolly wouldnt make much of a difference...
I shot a beautiful buck with afriends 270 that he said he had sighted in.He didnt tell me that he sighted it into only hit paper at100 yards (not even sure if thats true) and so obviouslyall i did to the deer was wound it at 169 yards. Searched for 2 days for the deer andnever found anything but a chunk of meat from the location where he was shot at. I could have KILLED my friend for that. From that day on I have decided that I would do everything i could to keep from just wounding another animal. Best way i see that happening is to use more gun than neccessary and toshoot only your gun that you sighted in and are comfortable shooting. Leave guesswork to other people who dont know better.

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Seems to me that by making that statement, you are leaving some guesswork in the equation. The only reasonI can think of to "use more gun than necessary" is if you are concerned that you might make a bad shot AND, using more gun than necessary is more likely to lead to making a bad shot (i.e. flinching).A gut shot deer with a 7mm Remington Magnum is still a gut shot deer. I'd rather use my .243,not have to worry about shooting with my eyes closed, and know that the bullet is going to hit the deer exactly where I put the crosshairs.