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.280?
Who makes/made the .280? I've been looking for one with no luck.
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RE: .280?
Winchester did at one time cause I own a Modle 70 Featherweigt in .280 Rem
I think Tikka and/or Sako make one also. BBJ |
RE: .280?
Remington has several models in .280
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RE: .280?
i like the ruger .280 out of that list of website. I'll have to order one when i get the funds :D
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RE: .280?
To get the most from a 280, you really need a 24 inch barrel. Reminton used to chamber the BDL in 280 with a 24 inch barrel. Sorry to say that they no longer do. My hunting buddy has one in the Browning A-Bolt.
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RE: .280?
Get the NEF Handi Rifle .280 in the Ultra Hunter model, it has a 26" barrel.
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RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: 45/70 Govt. Get the NEF Handi Rifle .280 in the Ultra Hunter model, it has a 26" barrel. Ultra Hunter Rifle 223 Rem. (SB2-823), 243 Win. (SB2-840), 25-06 Rem. (SB2-806), 308 Win. (SB2-808), 30/06 Sprg. (SB2-866), 270 Win. (SB2-877) |
RE: .280?
i really have my eyes set on that ruger. Each .280 i find with a 24" or longer barrel is ALWAYS with the black synthetic stock. Winchester doesnt even make a .280 anymore, not that i can find. so im pretty much set on that ruger. unless i find a used .280 in top shape.
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RE: .280?
They did chamber the 280 in the NEF with a 26 inch barrel. I have one in the gun case. They might have just dropped it. I think they still have the barrels on the barrel accessory program. NOT SURE.
I just checked, they do still offer the 26 inch 280 barrel. It is 103.00. The one I have really shoots well. Its not a tack driver but it will shoot 1 1/2 inch groups @ 100 yards with just about any load. I paid 190.00 for it with a 4X Weaver scope. |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: frontier gander i really have my eyes set on that ruger. Each .280 i find with a 24" or longer barrel is ALWAYS with the black synthetic stock. Winchester doesnt even make a .280 anymore, not that i can find. so im pretty much set on that ruger. unless i find a used .280 in top shape. They did chamber the 280 in the NEF with a 26 inch barrel. I have one in the gun case. They might have just dropped it. I think they still have the barrels on the barrel accessory program. NOT SURE. Check the barrel accessory program at hr1871.com |
RE: .280?
i like the price on the ruger and plus ruger has always been a good brand. $650 for the ruger .280. How common is it to find ammo for these? i even found a .284 but that sounds like a hard to find odd ball ammo. I'll saving up for the .280 ruger
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RE: .280?
I quess everyone here knows how much I like the 270 but EVEN I have to admit that the 280 offers a bit more of every thing than the 270. It may be the most UNDER RATED rifle ever developed. With a 24 inch or longer barrel, it gives up almost nothing to the 7 Mag with less recoil and muzzle blast. I had a Winchester Model 70 in 7 Mag at the same time that I had the 24 inch BDL in 280. There was seldom more than 70 FPS difference in those two rifles with the same weight bullets.
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RE: .280?
JB,
I gotta agree with you on the .280! I like my 7MM RM, but if I were doing it again, I'd take the .280! |
RE: .280?
If you handload the .280 is a great cartridge and can be sub in for the 7mm rem mag or 06'. If buying over the counter skip the 280 and want the .284 cal buy a 7mm rem mag instead. Factory offerings are a limiting factor to the .280 rem, as is availablity.
As far as recoil the 7mm rem mag has a bit more than a comparable 280 but it is anything but bad. The most important thing is fit, secondly an aftermarket pad can make all the difference and of course learning to roll with the push or jab. The 280 rem I load for is my partners abolt, fits me very poorlyplus has thehard plate recoil pad. Bites me a lot worse than my 7mm rem mag. If doing it over I'd still stick with the 7mm rem mag!;):D |
RE: .280?
All hail the 280 (my personal fav)
 I don't buy into the "ammo is hard to find" argument on any ammo these days. We are all obviously computer literate enough to surf the web so ammo is just a mouse click away: http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=3&Categoryid=9329&categorystr ing=653***690*** The Rem core lokts will kill pratically anything you would want to chase with the great ole 280. If they aren't good enough you can always opt for the federal premiums with a host of quality bullets. The recoil on my Browning Abolt is tame. Just a light little kiss on the shoulder reminding me to unsheath my knife.  peace |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis The Rem core lokts will kill pratically anything you would want to chase with the great ole 280. Nice though, Core-Loks come in virtually every single centerfire cartridge in the world.(Except the .220 Whisper, and others.) |
RE: .280?
i'll second the motion of the 280 Rem (7mm Rem Express) as an all around versitile cartridge... 100 gr hornady HP's for coyote and woodchuck... or 175 Partitions for deer, bear, elk, moose, and so on and so forth... and a whole mess of weights, types and manufacturers in between....
my 280 is a rebarrelled 700 Mountain Rifle... i handload everything and i don't push the envelope i go for precision and accuracy... my 175 partitions leave home at about 2690 FPS and go to the same place time after time... 7828 and H4831SC are great powders for heavy weight bullets... btw, don't let anyone tell you that a core-lokt won't do it's job... i am quite sure that many are used every year to kill a whoooooooole lotta critters... quickly... |
RE: .280?
Shato, my comments were based on my experiences with the .280 rem. Factory loads here are anything but vast, theUS internet sites are not an option for a canadian and my shoulder doesn't like my partners abolt as much as it likes my rem 700. Again I disclaimed fit being the main reason for the noticed recoil with his abolt.
It is just my opinion but I felt it had some value to the posed question about the .280 rem. I like it as a handloader but OTC ammo not as much as others capable of the same. I said it before I wouldn'tbuy a 280rem over a 7mm rem mag, see no benefitin doing so. To each their own though |
RE: .280?
The 280 is simply a 7mm mag want to be. It should aspire to be a 30-06. Unfortunately it does not compete there either. Why shoot a long action cartridge with short action abilities. Manufactures are dropping the 280 only because it does not sell. Why pay more for ammo that is harder to get, that does not perform as well. Tom.
Only my opinion guys, please do not get upset with me. What did Robin Williams say in "Good morning Vietnam", OOOOOHHHH I am going to go to HE** for that one. |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 The 280 is simply a 7mm mag want to be. It should aspire to be a 30-06. Unfortunately it does not compete there either. Why shoot a long action cartridge with short action abilities. Manufactures are dropping the 280 only because it does not sell. Why pay more for ammo that is harder to get, that does not perform as well. Tom. I can make the case that the .280 is a better performer than the venerable '06. But, they are pretty close. You can get factory loads for the .280 that retainalmost 2000 ft/lbs at 300 yards, which is the same as the best '06 loadin Federalscatalog, and drops about an inch or two less at the same range. If you want to go out to 400 yards then the .280 is only about -17 to -18" low. Which is 7 or 8 inches less than the '06. But it's splitting hairs to a certain extent. They are pretty close. So, not only does the .280 compete, it keeps up and even surpasses the '06 depending on load. If anything has "short action abilities" it's the .30-06. It's barelykeeping up with the likes of the .308, .270 and .280. |
RE: .280?
Brutal attack you are right, it is splitting hairs on performance. However there is alot more to consider. I can buy 30-06 at any Wally World, or any MA & Pa corner store in rural NA, at a reasonable price. This is not the case with the 280. I know charts can be quoted, but the 284 dia. will not kill like the 308. Ask Craig Boddington or any other hunter(notice I said hunter not shooter), he will inform you about the additional killing power of the 308 caliber. Also if you ever want to resell your rifle, the 30-06 will be considerably more valuable. Just go ask any gun dealer. Again I only meant my remarks as an opinion, not to start an argument. I think if you want to bring out something new then it should have many advantages, and I just do not see any advantages gained by the 280. Now if you want to talk about a 7 WSM, I will agree whole heartedly with you. Tom.
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RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 Brutal attack you are right, it is splitting hairs on performance. However there is alot more to consider. I can buy 30-06 at any Wally World, or any MA & Pa corner store in rural NA, at a reasonable price. This is not the case with the 280. I know charts can be quoted, but the 284 dia. will not kill like the 308. Ask Craig Boddington or any other hunter(notice I said hunter not shooter), he will inform you about the additional killing power of the 308 caliber. Also if you ever want to resell your rifle, the 30-06 will be considerably more valuable. Just go ask any gun dealer. Again I only meant my remarks as an opinion, not to start an argument. I think if you want to bring out something new then it should have many advantages, and I just do not see any advantages gained by the 280. Now if you want to talk about a 7 WSM, I will agree whole heartedly with you. Tom. Modern big game bullets all perform well enough to take any north american game regardless of diameter. Expansionand performance isn't dependent on bullet diameter. If anything, 7mm bullets are more efficient which translates into more retained energy hence the higher ballistic coefficient of most 7mm bullets. If you feel that a .308 bullet will "kill better" than a 7mm bullet than post something to that effect. Opinions are basically worthless without some kind of fact backing them up. |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack Any hunter will tell you that dead is dead. It's simple physics. You have a projectile of a knownmass traveling at a known velocity that generates X energy. Modern big game bullets all perform well enough to take any north american game regardless of diameter. Expansionand performance isn't dependent on bullet diameter. If anything, 7mm bullets are more efficient which translates into more retained energy hence the higher ballistic coefficient of most 7mm bullets. If you feel that a .308 bullet will "kill better" than a 7mm bullet than post something to that effect. Opinions are basically worthless without some kind of fact backing them up. He he he........  |
RE: .280?
Oh no its a thompson center/ CVA war lmao... I've got my mind set and its going with the ruger m77 mark ll standard .280 I'll be buying some factory ammo and then buy the dies, bullets, cases and reload my own. I forget what bullet we use but its a "boat tail" We've had great luck with deer and elk with those bullets. I'll look for the heaviest bullet i can find. I like to use 160-165 grain bullets on elk with centerfire. Its been a LONG time since i shot my first elk with a center fire and i want to use my own gun this time lol. Also looks like it comes with a good recoil pad but i may put a Pachmayr recoil pad on it either way. Wal mart also sells some nicely priced nikon scopes. Maybe looking for a 3-12 power. It will be a while before i can buy the rifle but hey, Its never bad to plan ahead of time!
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RE: .280?
Are you trying to say that the 280 has a longer action than the 7MM Mag and 30-06? Debates between bullet sizez do not mean much umless you also know the velocity and SD of the bullet as well. If you use a 7MM bullet with a SD of 266 like the 150 grain Barnes and a 30 caliber bullet of the Same SD, in this case the 168 grain is very close, start them both a 2800 fps and at 400 yards, the 30 caliber bullet will have 120 lb more retained ME. The 30 caliber bullet is a bit heavier but both bullets have the same SD with the 7MM having a tiny edge. In the end the 30 galiber will perform a bit better because heavier bullets are available.This again with bullets of the same SD and equal velocity.
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RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 Also if you ever want to resell your rifle, the 30-06 will be considerably more valuable. Just go ask any gun dealer. Why would a caliber that can be had at "wally world" for $250 new be worth more used? Better luck next time. ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 I think if you want to bring out something new then it should have many advantages, and I just do not see any advantages gained by the 280. The .280 is far from new, it's two years younger than the .270 and was the unfortunate victim of a nomenclature problem and extremely bad marketing. The fact that it's even still around is a testament to it's ability to stand on it's own merit. Hey I'm a .308 fan but even I recognize thata 7mm bullet in theoryis more ballistically effcient than a .308 bullet. |
RE: .280?
Frontier..if you want the best deal on a Nikon..check ebay! Easy pickings on there.
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RE: .280?
Hmmm $21 for a box of 20 rounds? I'll have to look around for bullets/cases and see what it will cost to reload. I may change my mind and go with a 30-06 Ruger.
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RE: .280?
thanks doe, I'll go check that out.
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RE: .280?
One thing that people need to realize is that within 300 yards almost all of the big game cartridges are pretty much the same.
What's happened is, ammuntion manufacturers have hung their hat on certain cartridges and loaded the piss out of them *ahem* .308 *ahem*. There are plenty of cartridges that aren't in the mainstream (like the .280) that are actually better performers it's just that Federal and other companies have their "pet" calibers that they develop agressively. If cost means more than performance then I guess the '06 is the way to go for you. |
RE: .280?
Ask Craig Boddington or any other hunter(notice I said hunter not shooter), he will inform you about the additional killing power of the 308 caliber. Also if you ever want to resell your rifle, the 30-06 will be considerably more valuable. Just go ask any gun dealer. As far as resale 7mm rem mags fetch more dollars than 3006 here. Both arevery popular, much like the .270, .308and 300 WM's. |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM Well you said ask any hunter and I'm a hunter who has harvested animals with .284 and .308. I have noticed no difference in the ability to kill animals with my 7mm(.284)vs any of the .308 chuckers I own or have owned. BTW those animals include antelope, wt and mule deer, elk and moose. Bullet construction and putting it where it belongs are the main thing with putting down game, split hairs all you want to that has been my experience. I have no love for the 3006 a overratted cartridge IMHO. Jack of all trades but master of none, but yet due to it being in the .308 diameter class people seem to think it is a great all arounder..hum?? If I want or need to chuck the .308 diameter pills I'll skip the 3006 and go with 300, itgives thepotential of getting something out of the larger grained bullets in the .308 class. Just my opinion but I'm sure I'll get flamed for such comments. Oh well nothing I haven't heard in the past;)! As far as resale 7mm rem mags fetch more dollars than 3006 here. Both arevery popular, much like the .270, .308and 300 WM's. The .30-06 has become like this larger than life cartridge that is still relevant but is starting to get outclassed. But people never realize it. |
RE: .280?
Well the 270- is a bit older as it was introduced in 1925 and the 280 was introduced in 1957. Being a fan of every caliber based on the 30-06 I will be the first to say that there is dern little if any difference in performance on game between the 270, 280 and 30-06. Not even a drastic difference to include the 25-06 and 6.5-06.
With the development of the Barnes TXS bullets, the difference becomes even less significant. Hit any NA big game animal well with a 150 grain TXS frooom the 270, the 160 TXS from the 280 and the 180 grain TXS from the 30-06 and you will have one very dead critter. Throw in the 338-06 and 35 Whelen too. All owe their existance to the 30-06 case. A very good family to come from.:D |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: James B Well the 270- is a bit older as it was introduced in 1925 and the 280 was introduced in 1957. |
RE: .280?
The 7x64 was created50 years before the .280 and is virtually identical to that cartridge. The Speer manual notes the loading information is interchangeable. The 7x64 precedes the .270 as well and is as popular in Europe as the .30-06 is here. I have a Sako AV & 995 in 7x64 and would not hesitate to use them for elk (but I like the .416 better). In any event, europeans have been using this cartridge (and I suspect, on average, they are better shooters than us, refer to the shooting tests required to get a license in Europe if skeptical) with excellent results since 1917.
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RE: .280?
nef/h&r chamber the 280 in their handi rifle. it has a 26" barrel.
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RE: .280?
Alrighty, After searching around im going with the .280
I found cheaper ammo from remmington and the dies and everything else are cheap and cabelas sells brand new casings for $23 per 100, which is good. This will be a fun rifle i think. I'll just have to start saving for it. Gun broker is selling 18 for $500! |
RE: .280?
First of all some one needs to take a chill pill. Secondly I have sold more firearms than you can fit into a small warehouse. I would say at a rate of about 100 to 1, that is 30-06 to 280. I have not even heard you address the inability of the 284 to handle a large bullet. I have not heard you address the cost or availabilty of ammo. All I have heard you do is babble a bunch of statistics out of a book that anyone can read. If you want testimonials about 30 cal performance against 284 caliber performance, just ask an elk guide. He will tell you that if he had to choose between a 280 and a 30-06, he would take the 30-06 every time. And as far as resale value, ask a gun dealer if he would rather have a shelf full of used 30-06's or full of 280's. I know he will choose the 30-06. I have dealt with independent gunshops for years, and I know first hand what they prefer. I worked in sales for the largest distributor of firearms in the world for quite a few years, and you might be surprised how popular the 30-06 is. Alot of people do not like it because it is their father's and grandfather's rifle, but without it there would be no 280. And if you think bullet diameter is not an issue, and if you think only energy and velocity rules, just ask our fine soldiers if they want the faster 9 mm or the old slow 45 ACP, or do you feel the need to drag out another chart?
I understand your point about dead is dead. You are right there. I was merely pointing out that there are more things to consider when buying a rifle. And you are wrong about resale value, the 30-06 BDL will bring a higher price, and are more sought after than a BDL in 280. Tom. |
RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 First of all some one needs to take a chill pill. Secondly I have sold more firearms than you can fit into a small warehouse. I would say at a rate of about 100 to 1, that is 30-06 to 280. I have not even heard you address the inability of the 284 to handle a large bullet. I have not heard you address the cost or availabilty of ammo. All I have heard you do is babble a bunch of statistics out of a book that anyone can read. If you want testimonials about 30 cal performance against 284 caliber performance, just ask an elk guide. He will tell you that if he had to choose between a 280 and a 30-06, he would take the 30-06 every time. And as far as resale value, ask a gun dealer if he would rather have a shelf full of used 30-06's or full of 280's. I know he will choose the 30-06. I have dealt with independent gunshops for years, and I know first hand what they prefer. I worked in sales for the largest distributor of firearms in the world for quite a few years, and you might be surprised how popular the 30-06 is. Alot of people do not like it because it is their father's and grandfather's rifle, but without it there would be no 280. And if you think bullet diameter is not an issue, and if you think only energy and velocity rules, just ask our fine soldiers if they want the faster 9 mm or the old slow 45 ACP, or do you feel the need to drag out another chart? I understand your point about dead is dead. You are right there. I was merely pointing out that there are more things to consider when buying a rifle. And you are wrong about resale value, the 30-06 BDL will bring a higher price, and are more sought after than a BDL in 280. Tom. |
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