.280?
11-02-2006 | 05:51 PM
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RE: .280?
One thing that people need to realize is that within 300 yards almost all of the big game cartridges are pretty much the same.
What's happened is, ammuntion manufacturers have hung their hat on certain cartridges and loaded the piss out of them *ahem* .308 *ahem*. There are plenty of cartridges that aren't in the mainstream (like the .280) that are actually better performers it's just that Federal and other companies have their "pet" calibers that they develop agressively.
If cost means more than performance then I guess the '06 is the way to go for you.
What's happened is, ammuntion manufacturers have hung their hat on certain cartridges and loaded the piss out of them *ahem* .308 *ahem*. There are plenty of cartridges that aren't in the mainstream (like the .280) that are actually better performers it's just that Federal and other companies have their "pet" calibers that they develop agressively.
If cost means more than performance then I guess the '06 is the way to go for you.
11-02-2006 | 06:16 PM
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RE: .280?
Ask Craig Boddington or any other hunter(notice I said hunter not shooter), he will inform you about the additional killing power of the 308 caliber. Also if you ever want to resell your rifle, the 30-06 will be considerably more valuable. Just go ask any gun dealer.
! As far as resale 7mm rem mags fetch more dollars than 3006 here. Both arevery popular, much like the .270, .308and 300 WM's.
11-02-2006 | 06:27 PM
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Well you said ask any hunter and I'm a hunter who has harvested animals with .284 and .308. I have noticed no difference in the ability to kill animals with my 7mm(.284)vs any of the .308 chuckers I own or have owned. BTW those animals include antelope, wt and mule deer, elk and moose. Bullet construction and putting it where it belongs are the main thing with putting down game, split hairs all you want to that has been my experience. I have no love for the 3006 a overratted cartridge IMHO. Jack of all trades but master of none, but yet due to it being in the .308 diameter class people seem to think it is a great all arounder..hum?? If I want or need to chuck the .308 diameter pills I'll skip the 3006 and go with 300, itgives thepotential of getting something out of the larger grained bullets in the .308 class. Just my opinion but I'm sure I'll get flamed for such comments. Oh well nothing I haven't heard in the past!
As far as resale 7mm rem mags fetch more dollars than 3006 here. Both arevery popular, much like the .270, .308and 300 WM's.
Well you said ask any hunter and I'm a hunter who has harvested animals with .284 and .308. I have noticed no difference in the ability to kill animals with my 7mm(.284)vs any of the .308 chuckers I own or have owned. BTW those animals include antelope, wt and mule deer, elk and moose. Bullet construction and putting it where it belongs are the main thing with putting down game, split hairs all you want to that has been my experience. I have no love for the 3006 a overratted cartridge IMHO. Jack of all trades but master of none, but yet due to it being in the .308 diameter class people seem to think it is a great all arounder..hum?? If I want or need to chuck the .308 diameter pills I'll skip the 3006 and go with 300, itgives thepotential of getting something out of the larger grained bullets in the .308 class. Just my opinion but I'm sure I'll get flamed for such comments. Oh well nothing I haven't heard in the past
! As far as resale 7mm rem mags fetch more dollars than 3006 here. Both arevery popular, much like the .270, .308and 300 WM's.
The .30-06 has become like this larger than life cartridge that is still relevant but is starting to get outclassed. But people never realize it.
11-02-2006 | 06:42 PM
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RE: .280?
Well the 270- is a bit older as it was introduced in 1925 and the 280 was introduced in 1957. Being a fan of every caliber based on the 30-06 I will be the first to say that there is dern little if any difference in performance on game between the 270, 280 and 30-06. Not even a drastic difference to include the 25-06 and 6.5-06.
With the development of the Barnes TXS bullets, the difference becomes even less significant. Hit any NA big game animal well with a 150 grain TXS frooom the 270, the 160 TXS from the 280 and the 180 grain TXS from the 30-06 and you will have one very dead critter. Throw in the 338-06 and 35 Whelen too. All owe their existance to the 30-06 case. A very good family to come from.
With the development of the Barnes TXS bullets, the difference becomes even less significant. Hit any NA big game animal well with a 150 grain TXS frooom the 270, the 160 TXS from the 280 and the 180 grain TXS from the 30-06 and you will have one very dead critter. Throw in the 338-06 and 35 Whelen too. All owe their existance to the 30-06 case. A very good family to come from.
11-02-2006 | 06:55 PM
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Well the 270- is a bit older as it was introduced in 1925 and the 280 was introduced in 1957.
Well the 270- is a bit older as it was introduced in 1925 and the 280 was introduced in 1957.
11-02-2006 | 07:17 PM
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RE: .280?
The 7x64 was created50 years before the .280 and is virtually identical to that cartridge. The Speer manual notes the loading information is interchangeable. The 7x64 precedes the .270 as well and is as popular in Europe as the .30-06 is here. I have a Sako AV & 995 in 7x64 and would not hesitate to use them for elk (but I like the .416 better). In any event, europeans have been using this cartridge (and I suspect, on average, they are better shooters than us, refer to the shooting tests required to get a license in Europe if skeptical) with excellent results since 1917.
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11-02-2006 | 08:51 PM
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Alrighty, After searching around im going with the .280
I found cheaper ammo from remmington and the dies and everything else are cheap and cabelas sells brand new casings for $23 per 100, which is good. This will be a fun rifle i think. I'll just have to start saving for it. Gun broker is selling 18 for $500!
I found cheaper ammo from remmington and the dies and everything else are cheap and cabelas sells brand new casings for $23 per 100, which is good. This will be a fun rifle i think. I'll just have to start saving for it. Gun broker is selling 18 for $500!
11-02-2006 | 11:28 PM
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First of all some one needs to take a chill pill. Secondly I have sold more firearms than you can fit into a small warehouse. I would say at a rate of about 100 to 1, that is 30-06 to 280. I have not even heard you address the inability of the 284 to handle a large bullet. I have not heard you address the cost or availabilty of ammo. All I have heard you do is babble a bunch of statistics out of a book that anyone can read. If you want testimonials about 30 cal performance against 284 caliber performance, just ask an elk guide. He will tell you that if he had to choose between a 280 and a 30-06, he would take the 30-06 every time. And as far as resale value, ask a gun dealer if he would rather have a shelf full of used 30-06's or full of 280's. I know he will choose the 30-06. I have dealt with independent gunshops for years, and I know first hand what they prefer. I worked in sales for the largest distributor of firearms in the world for quite a few years, and you might be surprised how popular the 30-06 is. Alot of people do not like it because it is their father's and grandfather's rifle, but without it there would be no 280. And if you think bullet diameter is not an issue, and if you think only energy and velocity rules, just ask our fine soldiers if they want the faster 9 mm or the old slow 45 ACP, or do you feel the need to drag out another chart?
I understand your point about dead is dead. You are right there. I was merely pointing out that there are more things to consider when buying a rifle. And you are wrong about resale value, the 30-06 BDL will bring a higher price, and are more sought after than a BDL in 280. Tom.
I understand your point about dead is dead. You are right there. I was merely pointing out that there are more things to consider when buying a rifle. And you are wrong about resale value, the 30-06 BDL will bring a higher price, and are more sought after than a BDL in 280. Tom.
11-02-2006 | 11:53 PM
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RE: .280?
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001
First of all some one needs to take a chill pill. Secondly I have sold more firearms than you can fit into a small warehouse. I would say at a rate of about 100 to 1, that is 30-06 to 280. I have not even heard you address the inability of the 284 to handle a large bullet. I have not heard you address the cost or availabilty of ammo. All I have heard you do is babble a bunch of statistics out of a book that anyone can read. If you want testimonials about 30 cal performance against 284 caliber performance, just ask an elk guide. He will tell you that if he had to choose between a 280 and a 30-06, he would take the 30-06 every time. And as far as resale value, ask a gun dealer if he would rather have a shelf full of used 30-06's or full of 280's. I know he will choose the 30-06. I have dealt with independent gunshops for years, and I know first hand what they prefer. I worked in sales for the largest distributor of firearms in the world for quite a few years, and you might be surprised how popular the 30-06 is. Alot of people do not like it because it is their father's and grandfather's rifle, but without it there would be no 280. And if you think bullet diameter is not an issue, and if you think only energy and velocity rules, just ask our fine soldiers if they want the faster 9 mm or the old slow 45 ACP, or do you feel the need to drag out another chart?
I understand your point about dead is dead. You are right there. I was merely pointing out that there are more things to consider when buying a rifle. And you are wrong about resale value, the 30-06 BDL will bring a higher price, and are more sought after than a BDL in 280. Tom.
First of all some one needs to take a chill pill. Secondly I have sold more firearms than you can fit into a small warehouse. I would say at a rate of about 100 to 1, that is 30-06 to 280. I have not even heard you address the inability of the 284 to handle a large bullet. I have not heard you address the cost or availabilty of ammo. All I have heard you do is babble a bunch of statistics out of a book that anyone can read. If you want testimonials about 30 cal performance against 284 caliber performance, just ask an elk guide. He will tell you that if he had to choose between a 280 and a 30-06, he would take the 30-06 every time. And as far as resale value, ask a gun dealer if he would rather have a shelf full of used 30-06's or full of 280's. I know he will choose the 30-06. I have dealt with independent gunshops for years, and I know first hand what they prefer. I worked in sales for the largest distributor of firearms in the world for quite a few years, and you might be surprised how popular the 30-06 is. Alot of people do not like it because it is their father's and grandfather's rifle, but without it there would be no 280. And if you think bullet diameter is not an issue, and if you think only energy and velocity rules, just ask our fine soldiers if they want the faster 9 mm or the old slow 45 ACP, or do you feel the need to drag out another chart?
I understand your point about dead is dead. You are right there. I was merely pointing out that there are more things to consider when buying a rifle. And you are wrong about resale value, the 30-06 BDL will bring a higher price, and are more sought after than a BDL in 280. Tom.