RE: browning a-bolt
 

man , why dont you go on out to 400 yards ,were it retains what it can do,unlike the others,and go on out to the 500 yard mark.im dieing to know if it dosent.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

acctually it starts at 300. were the others drop off..its my favorite caliber and fun to shoot.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Interesting that you decide to bring up that point now. The 7mm-08 has one beat at 400, and beats the 308 and is less than a 30-06 at 500. But certainly nothing to right home about. Even when it beats the 308, at 500, it isn't by much. And quite frankly if I was going to shoot at anything at 500 yards, which I'm not, the 7mm-08 would be way down on my list of choices if it was even on the list at all.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

So using that theory,I assume that you could easily beat the groups below that were fired with a 300ultramag with much more recoil.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

it beats em both,and its on top of alot of choice for alot of people...dont be a hater to the 7mm-08 ,it bad and it knows it..

RE: browning a-bolt
 

no im not saying its the most accurate,you can hold it easier cause less recoil ,which would make it easier to shoot,buy the way ,thats some nice shooting.. good job.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Must be 12 years old and discovered everything he has is the "best" [:'(]

I'm not even going to argue with him, we'll never be right! LOL

RE: browning a-bolt
 

im 36 years old ,been hunting since i was 12,own 300 acers in frankfort ky,and have 8 rifles and the 7mm-08 is just one of em,so i dont think you know me or what you are talking abot,and by the way it is the ballistic twin of the of the 270 and 280 with a little less recoil,all i am saying that it is a awsome round for a short action to be able to perform with long action rifles,and no one was arguing.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Was never sayin it wasn't a good round. Just doesn't have more power than the 308 or 30-06. Till 400 or 500yards as you pointed out, which doesn't mean a thing as it wouldn't be my choice for a longe range rifle.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

While I like the 7mm-08 and have actually owned two myself,it is a little behind the 280 ballistically.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

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Answer the Gun Writers
Below are statements made by famous gun writers in the magazines.
[*]The flat shooting 25-06 is the best for antelope hunting in opening country.
Answer: The 7mm-08 120 GR handloads shoot flatter than 120 GR 25-06 factory loads! With 120 GR 25-06 handloads, the 25-06 and 7mm-08 are ballistic twins!
[*]The 30-06 will handle all North American big game except for the large bears.
Answer: The 7mm-08 is flatter shooting with equal energy and 40% less recoil than the 30-06!
[*]The 270 Winchester is the best all-around rifle. For varmits, up to the largest deer species, the 270 can't be beat!
Answer: The 7mm-08 is the ballistic twin of the 270. The 7mm-08 has less recoil for varmit shooting, and will handle bigger bullets for the largest game. The 7mm-08 uses less powder and inherits the tack driving accuracy of the 308 Winchester.
[*]The 280 Remington might unseat the 270 Winchester as the best all-around hunting cartridge.
Answer: The 280 factory loads are made for older pump action and auto-loading rifles and fall far below the performance levels of the 7mm-08 handloads.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

actually it starts at 300.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

not enough were it would miss the animal,what is it about 2,3 inches different.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Different enough not to call them ballistic twins.
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RE: browning a-bolt
 

I ve checked all the factory loads in the 7mm-08 and have yet to see were it outshines the 270 and it doesn't have more knockdown power then 30-06. and I hope you dont think it out shoots a 25-06 cause it wont.

stubble Im trying to get my 300rum loads that good.getting close to a half now but not under a quarter inch yet

RE: browning a-bolt
 

go to the remington ballistic,and i most deffenitly has more energy than than the 30-06 and shots just as flat as the 25-06,and stomps the 25-06 in energy.just read that all you have to do.its that easy....lol...im reading this on planet earth, i dont know were you are reading yours..lol...and see its just as good as these long actions,just deal with it,its the facts...lol
lets see a 25-06 shot a 140 grain bullet and compare, then it would really be way out in left field
and you need to go compare the 140 grain with the 270,not the 130,of course it going to be a little flatter,but i can hand load the 7mm-08 with 130 and 120 and outshine the 270. 130....if you want to do it that way..

RE: browning a-bolt
 

And anyone can handload a 270 to outshine a 7mm-08. When you mentioned handloading you totally changed the game.

Since when has this thread been a pissing match between different cartridges?

RE: browning a-bolt
 

lol. i dont know...ok no hand loading just factory.
compare the 140 270. to the 7mm-08 140...and then tell me it outshines..

RE: browning a-bolt
 

i gues i can get his big brother the 7mag,and put most long action that were mention,to shame,but this little guy holds his own for a short action i must say,thats why i love it so much.and it has been i alot more 1000 yards matches over the past 5 years,and is doing quite well, its no slouch by no means ,anyway you look at it.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Call me crazy, but wasn't this originally about Browning A-Bolts?

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Heres info off winchester ammo

7mm-08 140 grain failsafe mz 2760 drop at 500 -53.7 ft lbs at 500 841
270 140 failsafe mz 2920 drop at 500 -45.7 ft lbs at 500 1007
25-06 110 accubond mz 3100 drop at 500 -37.6 ft lbs at 500 1029

so much for shooting flatter 270 shoots 8 inches flatter 25-06 shoots 16.1 inchesflatter and both hit harder

as far as being more accurate do to less recoil thats only if you flinch my 300 rum is the most accurate gun Ive owned

RE: browning a-bolt
 

well there ,i think you need to go to remington and compare there ballistic,with the 140 grain soft point,or the others...

RE: browning a-bolt
 

or even federal...you most of made that up,lol..

RE: browning a-bolt
 

post the web site so i can see if you are fibbing....lol ..
cause federal and remington say diff,what going on here????????? if that is the case ,which i dought it,thats1 bullet that you must of died trying to find out of 30 that dosent do what i have stated....lol

RE: browning a-bolt
 

for #1 why are you compareing a accuebond ballistic tip bullet with to fail safe bullets,of course it would have more down range,not in the same bullet class,so there is no comparason there...thats dead
#2 the 270 and 7mm-08 with fail safe at 400 yards,which is the ballistic book from wayne vanzwoll this is the farhtest he has done this fine experiment .........
7mm-08 at 400 yards is 1051 energy and -25.9 drop
270 at 400 is 1242 energy and 22.3 drop.
and when you can get a fail safe bullet ballistics from a 25-06 let me no..lol ..2 inches,but ther are other bullets that the 7mm-08 dose equal....go look and you will seeeeeeee........anit it awsome these long action are barley by a 1 or 2 inchesdoing a little hair better in some bullet than the little short action 7mm-08...lol i love it,you should 2....lol.its ok the 7mm-08 is a stud ,quit hateing on the him...lol..its ok..:(

RE: browning a-bolt
 

with 120 grain hand loads the 25-06 and 7mm-08 are the same,if you hand load you should know these things...do i have to explain everything for yaaaaa...lol cause i can ,cause i know...been handloading long enough..........2 know...lol....anything else you would like me to correct or show ya,cause i might just have to.....lol

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Why? Most of remingtons data is just as unrepeatable as they stuff you are putting out there.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

I just pulled this info from the Nosler Reloading Manual Fifth Edition.

270 Win 140gr Bullet - Ballistic Tip
- 3000fps at muzzle
- 100 yard zero bullet drops 46.6" at 500 yards

7mm-08 140gr bullet- Ballistic Tip
2922fps
- 100 yard zero bullet drops 49.3"

My 243 shooting a BT at 3100fps drops 46.5" at 500 yards, so whatcha got now???

RE: browning a-bolt
 

what i got is your 243 is shooting a tiny bullet thats why its a hair 3 inches flatter ,and the energy is stomped in a mud hole by the 7mm-08,and what the 270 is 3 inches flatter and what 100 more energy,that little sort action 7mm-08,is still king...lol...its ok,you will come to know its wrath...lol...ha,ha,ha... also the energy from the muzzle is greater than the 7mm-08,wonder if we made the 7mm-08 3000 fps from muzzle.....(IDENTICAL)...dum,dum dum,dum.....wa laaaaa....lol
whats your 243, shooting a 80 grain pee wee bullet,try it with a cor lokt 100 soft point ,and lets see.but it still has not got that,how do you say,ENERGY....goodday....lol

RE: browning a-bolt
 

I hate to break everyones bubble but there really ins't any practicle advantage between most hunting cartridges. From the 260-30/06 anything with similar bullet weight will do pretty much the same as all the others. Small differences in energy and tradjectory aside the game will never know the difference. I doubt that any of us can hold steady enough to evn use a 3" difference in tradjectory at 500 yards.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Thats with a 95gr bullet.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

all,that makes a big difference,..lol..try with the 100 grsince thats the closet we can get to a 140 7m-08.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

The 100gr Nosler Partition actually shoots flatter dropping 46.1" at 500.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

TRY THE 100 CORE LOKT...AND THEN SEE IT FALL OFF THE CHARTS,BUT I DONT THINK THE 243 COULD SHOT A 140 GRAIN BULLET LIKE A 7MM-08 IF THEY WERE EVEN MADE.YOU WILL FIND SOME BULLETS THAT WILL WITH A 100 ,BUT NOT ALL WILL..

RE: browning a-bolt
 

P243S1


210


243 Win. (6.16x51mm)


100 / 6.48


Nosler Solid Base BT


2


24






P708S1


210


7mm-08 Rem.


140 / 9.07


Nosler Solid Base BT


2


24





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Muzzle


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200


300


400


500



P243S1


2970


2727


2496


2277


2069


1872



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2880


2680


2489


2306


2131


1963





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Muzzle


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200


300


400


500



P243S1


1958


1651


1383


1151


951


778



P708S1


2578


2233


1926


1653


1411


1198





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Load Number


100


200


300


400


500



P243S1


0.8


3.3


7.6


14.2


23.1



P708S1


0.8


2.9


6.6


12.2


19.6





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50


100


200


300


400


500



P243S1


-0.2





-3.2


-12.0


-27.5


-50.9



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-0.2





-3.4


-12.3


-27.9


-50.9





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50


100


200


300


400


500



P243S1


0.6


1.6





-7.2


-21.1


-42.9



P708S1


0.7


1.7





-7.2


-21.2


-42.6

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Not gonna argue with ya anymore. The 7mm-08 is a good cartridge. When I bought my Tikka 243 I was tryin to decide between a Browning A-Bolt in 7mm-08 or the Tikka in 243.

I end up gettin the 243 because I do alot of coyote hunting, and there aren't many good choices for varmint bullets in .284.

RE: browning a-bolt
 

THAT DIDNT COME OUT RIGHT ,BUT THESE ARE EQUAL,AND THAT IS PRETTY IMPRESIVEFOR A SHORT ACTION WITH A 140 GRAIN BULLET, CAN STILL SHOOT AS FLAT AND FLATER WITH SOME AMMO THAN A 243 100.IT REAINS ITS WEIGHT AND ENERGY REALLY WELL,AND THE 243 JUST DOENT HAVE THE ENERGY AS THE 7MM-08,SO JUST GIVE IT UP,BEEN DOING THIS TO LONG,AND I KNOW TO MUCH....LOL...4 REAL!I CAN PULL SOME COR LOKT BALLISTIC UP AND SHOW YOU,AND ALSO SHOW YOU MORE,IF YOU NEED FOR ME 2....THE 7MM-08 IS A BETTER CALIBER ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT...PERIOD......!

RE: browning a-bolt
 

The thing is, Remington Core Lokts are JUNK. I haven't bought a factory round in 10 years now. I've been at this game for a while as well ;)

RE: browning a-bolt
 

I agree with you rammer core lokts are not the best shooting bullet. You cant win with this guy. Not saying your right trophytaker, whats the next caliber your going to outshoot with the amazing 7mm-08,maybe its going to be the 7.21 (.284)tomahawk wait that wouldnt work they dont offer core lokts. And by the way you cant know to much about guns

RE: browning a-bolt
 

Calm down guys. We all have our favorites. But to answer the guys question. The Abolt is a great rifle. Very reliable, very accurate and the detachable clip may not be the fastestbutis well built and you will not ever have a problems with it. I own 3 abolts and they are the kind of rifle you will pass down from generation to generation.