Be Sensible!
09-07-2005, 07:09 AM
#11
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
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RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: Virginia7
Agreed! IMO, there's really not much need for any magnum cartridge to hunt anything in the lower 48. I've used 'em years ago, and enjoyed shooting 'em. Still do, especially like the 375H&H. But, to start off with folks should get well acquainted with a good 22LR. Then, for a first centerfire deer cartridge try out a few at the local ranges. Most, I think, would do well to go with the likes of the 6.5x55, 270Win., 7x57, 280Rem., etc., or evena 30/30. Heck, for deer you really don't need anymore than these provide.
7mm-08 or 308Win. if you want a short action.
Agreed! IMO, there's really not much need for any magnum cartridge to hunt anything in the lower 48. I've used 'em years ago, and enjoyed shooting 'em. Still do, especially like the 375H&H. But, to start off with folks should get well acquainted with a good 22LR. Then, for a first centerfire deer cartridge try out a few at the local ranges. Most, I think, would do well to go with the likes of the 6.5x55, 270Win., 7x57, 280Rem., etc., or evena 30/30. Heck, for deer you really don't need anymore than these provide.
7mm-08 or 308Win. if you want a short action.
09-07-2005, 07:29 AM
#12
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 94
RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: ELKampMaster
**Small/weak kids would do well to start with a varmit rifle on varmits (not deer) before moving up to the 30-06.
**Small/weak kids would do well to start with a varmit rifle on varmits (not deer) before moving up to the 30-06.
I do agree all those years behind a single shot .22 rifle and 20 guage allowed me to be a much better shooter today. I can gladly pull the trigger on my 870 super mag and not have anysecond thoughts about it, and smile when launching something out of the 300 WM. Sensiablity is such a huge thing. I'll probably buy some more and varied barrels for my encore so if my future children decide to give shooting a whirl I won't be buying a new gun everytime then need a new caliber.
09-07-2005, 07:34 AM
#13
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
Posts: 1,964
RE: Be Sensible!
Reb,
You "....especially like the 375 H&H...."? [per your applauded quote]
Really?
I didn'tknow you'd been down that path so as to be familiar....
Well alright, good for you.
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Ferris,
The term "weak" applies not just to strength but also the absence or presence of both durability and tenacity, both of which were reflected in my post as different individuals having different "salt."
You "....especially like the 375 H&H...."? [per your applauded quote]
Really?
I didn'tknow you'd been down that path so as to be familiar....
Well alright, good for you.
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Ferris,
The term "weak" applies not just to strength but also the absence or presence of both durability and tenacity, both of which were reflected in my post as different individuals having different "salt."
09-07-2005, 07:57 AM
#14
RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: ELKampMaster
22LR at 5
410 at 8
30-30 Win at 9 [:'(]
12 gauge at 10
270 at 14 (10 years older brother had a 243 &I consistantly out shot him on prairie dogs)
338WinMag at 23
22LR at 5
410 at 8
30-30 Win at 9 [:'(]
12 gauge at 10
270 at 14 (10 years older brother had a 243 &I consistantly out shot him on prairie dogs)
338WinMag at 23
09-07-2005, 10:41 AM
#15
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
Posts: 26,323
RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: ELKampMaster
Reb,
You "....especially like the 375 H&H...."? [per your applauded quote]
Really?
I didn'tknow you'd been down that path so as to be familiar....
Well alright, good for you.
=================================
Ferris,
The term "weak" applies not just to strength but also the absence or presence of both durability and tenacity, both of which were reflected in my post as different individuals having different "salt."
Reb,
You "....especially like the 375 H&H...."? [per your applauded quote]
Really?
I didn'tknow you'd been down that path so as to be familiar....
Well alright, good for you.
=================================
Ferris,
The term "weak" applies not just to strength but also the absence or presence of both durability and tenacity, both of which were reflected in my post as different individuals having different "salt."
use for a .375H&H in this country!
09-07-2005, 10:44 AM
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
Posts: 1,964
RE: Be Sensible!
Butch,
Seems we may be products of different environments.
I grew up in the open plains of Nebraska (and now Colorado)with long horizons and 60 to 80 mile visibility, what you might call a long shot, we would call ordinary.
It wasn't legal for me to hunt deer until I was 14 so I was stuck with that W-9430-30 for 5 years....
Short little steel butted stock, short little barrel, short little cartridge with flat nosed bullets that dropped like a rock, top ejection thatmade a scope impractical --- that combined with wide open spaces just didn't make for a very satisfactory package, as for coyotes and prairie dogs (typical "young kid" fare growing up) it was a POS. I resolved that by the time I was old enough to hunt deer I would get myself afully capableweapon for my environment, and I did.
If I was going to be involved in some "briar-patch" brush busting hunting, then I'd probably gravitate to a Marlin in 45-70 or a double rifle of some sort, both are pretty quick handling and don't fall short on "punch." Now some folks like 30-30'sI guess and that is fine; they just came across as anemic in my life experience.
I've still got that little popper as it was my dad's gun and so I can't sell it.The kidsdon't like it or want it and neither does the wife. It sits in the far back left corner of the gun safe and seldom sees the light of day.
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Reb,
338 & 358, that's kinda what Iremembered --- just temporarily puzzled byyour much applauded all encompassing quotewith the endorsement of the 375 H&H which you included as though it were your own.
I supposeif one is stay on track to do 10,000 posts ina singleyear, thenone probably can't dwellexcessively on accurate detail/editing or too much original thought.
Dang, that's 27 posts each and every day --- no days off, no vacation....
Seems we may be products of different environments.
I grew up in the open plains of Nebraska (and now Colorado)with long horizons and 60 to 80 mile visibility, what you might call a long shot, we would call ordinary.
It wasn't legal for me to hunt deer until I was 14 so I was stuck with that W-9430-30 for 5 years....
Short little steel butted stock, short little barrel, short little cartridge with flat nosed bullets that dropped like a rock, top ejection thatmade a scope impractical --- that combined with wide open spaces just didn't make for a very satisfactory package, as for coyotes and prairie dogs (typical "young kid" fare growing up) it was a POS. I resolved that by the time I was old enough to hunt deer I would get myself afully capableweapon for my environment, and I did.
If I was going to be involved in some "briar-patch" brush busting hunting, then I'd probably gravitate to a Marlin in 45-70 or a double rifle of some sort, both are pretty quick handling and don't fall short on "punch." Now some folks like 30-30'sI guess and that is fine; they just came across as anemic in my life experience.
I've still got that little popper as it was my dad's gun and so I can't sell it.The kidsdon't like it or want it and neither does the wife. It sits in the far back left corner of the gun safe and seldom sees the light of day.
=================================
Reb,
338 & 358, that's kinda what Iremembered --- just temporarily puzzled byyour much applauded all encompassing quotewith the endorsement of the 375 H&H which you included as though it were your own.
I supposeif one is stay on track to do 10,000 posts ina singleyear, thenone probably can't dwellexcessively on accurate detail/editing or too much original thought.
Dang, that's 27 posts each and every day --- no days off, no vacation....
09-07-2005, 11:06 AM
#17
RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: ELKampMaster
Butch,
Seems we may be products of different environments.
I grew up in the open plains of Nebraska (and now Colorado)with long horizons and 60 to 80 mile visibility, what you might call a long shot, we would call ordinary.
Butch,
Seems we may be products of different environments.
I grew up in the open plains of Nebraska (and now Colorado)with long horizons and 60 to 80 mile visibility, what you might call a long shot, we would call ordinary.
Yeah, open plains is not the best area for a 30-30. I have seen shows on TV in Nebraska, South Dakota, Colorado, etc... and these guys shoot antelope from like 1/2 mile away! Now that is marksmanship!
09-07-2005, 11:26 AM
#18
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Posts: 26,323
RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: ELKampMaster
Butch,
Seems we may be products of different environments.
I grew up in the open plains of Nebraska (and now Colorado)with long horizons and 60 to 80 mile visibility, what you might call a long shot, we would call ordinary.
It wasn't legal for me to hunt deer until I was 14 so I was stuck with that W-9430-30 for 5 years....
Short little steel butted stock, short little barrel, short little cartridge with flat nosed bullets that dropped like a rock, top ejection thatmade a scope impractical --- that combined with wide open spaces just didn't make for a very satisfactory package, as for coyotes and prairie dogs (typical "young kid" fare growing up) it was a POS. I resolved that by the time I was old enough to hunt deer I would get myself afully capableweapon for my environment, and I did.
If I was going to be involved in some "briar-patch" brush busting hunting, then I'd probably gravitate to a Marlin in 45-70 or a double rifle of some sort, both are pretty quick handling and don't fall short on "punch." Now some folks like 30-30'sI guess and that is fine; they just came across as anemic in my life experience.
I've still got that little popper as it was my dad's gun and so I can't sell it.The kidsdon't like it or want it and neither does the wife. It sits in the far back left corner of the gun safe and seldom sees the light of day.
=================================
Reb,
338 & 358, that's kinda what Iremembered --- just temporarily puzzled byyour much applauded all encompassing quotewith the endorsement of the 375 H&H which you included as though it were your own.
I supposeif one is stay on track to do 10,000 posts ina singleyear, thenone probably can't dwellexcessively on accurate detail/editing or too much original thought.
Dang, that's 27 posts each and every day --- no days off, no vacation....
Butch,
Seems we may be products of different environments.
I grew up in the open plains of Nebraska (and now Colorado)with long horizons and 60 to 80 mile visibility, what you might call a long shot, we would call ordinary.
It wasn't legal for me to hunt deer until I was 14 so I was stuck with that W-9430-30 for 5 years....
Short little steel butted stock, short little barrel, short little cartridge with flat nosed bullets that dropped like a rock, top ejection thatmade a scope impractical --- that combined with wide open spaces just didn't make for a very satisfactory package, as for coyotes and prairie dogs (typical "young kid" fare growing up) it was a POS. I resolved that by the time I was old enough to hunt deer I would get myself afully capableweapon for my environment, and I did.
If I was going to be involved in some "briar-patch" brush busting hunting, then I'd probably gravitate to a Marlin in 45-70 or a double rifle of some sort, both are pretty quick handling and don't fall short on "punch." Now some folks like 30-30'sI guess and that is fine; they just came across as anemic in my life experience.
I've still got that little popper as it was my dad's gun and so I can't sell it.The kidsdon't like it or want it and neither does the wife. It sits in the far back left corner of the gun safe and seldom sees the light of day.
=================================
Reb,
338 & 358, that's kinda what Iremembered --- just temporarily puzzled byyour much applauded all encompassing quotewith the endorsement of the 375 H&H which you included as though it were your own.
I supposeif one is stay on track to do 10,000 posts ina singleyear, thenone probably can't dwellexcessively on accurate detail/editing or too much original thought.
Dang, that's 27 posts each and every day --- no days off, no vacation....
09-07-2005, 05:45 PM
#19
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: vermont
Posts: 736
RE: Be Sensible!
im going to admit it i got the shooters flinch i think im not sure ive been working my way out of it but i dont no i sometimes i still flinch lol im 16 shooting a 30-06 ive almost out grown the flinch but somtimes i still might not thinking but my soht is still good
09-08-2005, 01:14 AM
#20
Join Date: May 2004
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 776
RE: Be Sensible!
ORIGINAL: ButchA
Yeah, open plains is not the best area for a 30-30. I have seen shows on TV in Nebraska, South Dakota, Colorado, etc... and these guys shoot antelope from like 1/2 mile away! Now that is marksmanship!
Yeah, open plains is not the best area for a 30-30. I have seen shows on TV in Nebraska, South Dakota, Colorado, etc... and these guys shoot antelope from like 1/2 mile away! Now that is marksmanship!
Most of my antelope hunting was done with a 243Win. (Rem.788 & then a Ruger77). BUT, the most fun was sneaking up on 'em, and getting within about 50-75yds. before taking the shot. No, it didn't always work, but enough that stalking 'em was a lot more fun than shooting 'em at long range. Longest shot I ever had on a big buck was approx. 225yds.- getting out there, but still within the range of an accurate/scoped Marlin. Sure wish I had kept that rifle. Plastic milk jugs & coffee cans were a 99% sure thing at 200yds. with it. Darn nice wood on that one, too.