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CanWoodsman 06-24-2005 09:19 PM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 

ORIGINAL: zrexpilot

But you know what is really impressive is the federal 85 gr out of the .243, lot more umph, better wind control and only 32" of drop with a 200 yd zero. that would be my choice for extreme range varmint control.

Now we can compare apples to apples. Yes the 85 g. Federal load for the .243 is a good long range varmit round, but did you compare it to the 85 g. 25.06 offering from Federal.

.243 - 32.9" drop @ 500
25.06 - 31.2" drop @ 500

On equal weight bullets the 25.06 is slightly flatter than the .243 as the .243 will be flatter than the 220 swift or 22-250 with equal weight bullets.

zrexpilot 06-24-2005 09:35 PM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 

ORIGINAL: CanWoodsman

[Now we can compare apples to apples. Yes the 85 g. Federal load for the .243 is a good long range varmit round, but did you compare it to the 85 g. 25.06 offering from Federal.

.243 - 32.9" drop @ 500
25.06 - 31.2" drop @ 500

On equal weight bullets the 25.06 is slightly flatter than the .243 as the .243 will be flatter than the 220 swift or 22-250 with equal weight bullets.

I sure did see that, but did you note that the .243 had 19" of wind drift and the -06 had 22".
Both are fine shooters for sure, I just like the fact the .243 does it with half the powder which usually means better accuracy, it's a more efficient burner.
Dont get me wrong i like the .25
but what gets me is when someone claims it to be superior, it's not , they are pretty darn close in performance.

HighDesertWolf 06-25-2005 04:16 AM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 

ORIGINAL: zrexpilot


ORIGINAL: Gundigest

I don't have my loading books with me but I bet the 50 BMG pushing a 750gr bullet is flatter than a .243. It will also kill an animal a mile away. The recoil is about the same as a .243 also. Can the .243 kill an animal a mile away? I don't think so.
you are probable right , but I wasnt talking about cannons LOL !
The ballistics show the 55 gr bullet out of the .243 to have 27 inches of drop @ 500yds with a 200yds zero, no the 220 swift cant do that no the 22-250 cant do that nor the -06 accelerator. but the .243wssm wins with the same bullet it has 25 inches of drop.
how do you figure your 55 grain bullet out of a .243 has only 27 inches of drop @ 500 yards with a 200 yards zero??? According to two sources of exterior ballistics I have you are wrong. According to federal ammo that load has -29.5" of drop @ 500 yards with a 200 yard zero and according to my speer #13 reloading manual on the long range exterior ballistics tables that load has -30.6" of drop @ 500 yards with a 200 yard zero. also according to my speer reloading manual both the 220 swift and 22-250 are capable of trajectories within an inch of a 243 with a 55 grain bullet. not really enough there to say that a 243 with a 55 grain bullet is superior to a 220 swift and 22-250's ballistic performance.

CanWoodsman 06-25-2005 04:36 AM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 


ORIGINAL: zrexpilot

I sure did see that, but did you note that the .243 had 19" of wind drift and the -06 had 22".
Both are fine shooters for sure, I just like the fact the .243 does it with half the powder which usually means better accuracy, it's a more efficient burner.
Dont get me wrong i like the .25
but what gets me is when someone claims it to be superior, it's not , they are pretty darn close in performance.
I agree zrexpilot both are about equal on varmit sized game. Both can show slightly better stats. if you pick what you compare.
When you step up to deer sized game this is where the 25.06 starts to out distant the .243. With equal weight bullets the 25.06 is faster and flatter & with the added option of bullets up to 20 g. heavier the 25.06 is the better round for the larger game.

zrexpilot 06-25-2005 06:06 AM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 
The 100 gr bullet in the -06 will shoot flatter however it doesnt have the SD or BC so it will drift more at long ranges, the -06 performs better with the 115 gr or 120 gr, then the trajectories are slightly better for the .243. It's like me trying to go down to an 80 gr for long distances, sure it shoots flatter but you lose to the wind and the penetration for big game. Make sense ?

Let me show why I would not use the 100 gr in the -06 for deer at long range.
.......................................SD......... ..BC
25-06 100grGK.............216...........355
25-06 117gr.GK...........253............410
.243 100gr GK..............242............430
Not saying it wont kill but the 115-120 gr will be on target better with better penetration.

CanWoodsman 06-25-2005 07:12 AM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 
zrexpilot my point exactly when I stated you have the option to go to a heavier bullet.
BTW did you notice the 25.06 Federal 100 g. Barnes Triple X - Bullet offering. Shoots flatter and has more down range energy than any of the Federal 115-117 g. offerings. Do you or anyone else have any expierience with the Barnes Triple X - Bullet any caliber from 6mm to 30 cal. (re: performance on deer sized game & how generally accurite?)

Rebel Hog 06-25-2005 09:27 AM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 
I like them Both!!

zrexpilot 06-25-2005 10:49 AM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 

ORIGINAL: HighDesertWolf

[
how do you figure your 55 grain bullet out of a .243 has only 27 inches of drop @ 500 yards with a 200 yards zero??? According to two sources of exterior ballistics I have you are wrong. According to federal ammo that load has -29.5" of drop @ 500 yards with a 200 yard zero and according to my speer #13 reloading manual on the long range exterior ballistics tables that load has -30.6" of drop @ 500 yards with a 200 yard zero. also according to my speer reloading manual both the 220 swift and 22-250 are capable of trajectories within an inch of a 243 with a 55 grain bullet. not really enough there to say that a 243 with a 55 grain bullet is superior to a 220 swift and 22-250's ballistic performance.

according to winchester and federal
...........................500yds
................................fps............... ft/lbs.........drop.......wind drift
.220 40gr NB..............2003.............356...........27. 3"..........29
22-250 40gr NB...........1944..............336........28.9.... .......30.1
.243 55gr SBT............2144.............562.........27.7.. .........25.2
looks a little better to me

James B 06-25-2005 12:23 PM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 
When you compare varmit cartridges, yiou need to go to the 22-250 or 220 Swift with the 62 0r 63 grain bullets at 35-3600 fps. They have higher SD that the 55 grain bullet in the 6MM's. about 138 for the 55-6mm and 179 for the 63-224.

zrexpilot 06-25-2005 01:06 PM

RE: 6mm rem. or 25-06
 
do we really need to worry about SD when it comes to varmints ?

oh but you are prolly talking about for deer.
I'm just talking. Just showing the flattest bullets out there.


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