.243 vs. 30-30
05-20-2005, 11:34 AM
#71
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
As far as the 30/30 being a good brush gun? It's a great brush gun do to it's compact size and in the thicket you can move around without getting it hung up as easy as other long guns, not to mention for a quick snap shot, that often happens in thick woods the 30/30s design is a natrual handler in tight spaces that allows you to bring up on target
What strikes me as funny is some of you guys will use ballistics to argue your guns capabilities when it to your advantage on your gun, but then when they are used against your gun or show a better gun in comparison , ya'll say something like " ahh ballistics aint everything and my expierence is... and yada yada yada."
05-20-2005, 12:02 PM
#72
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
ORIGINAL: CBASS77
Ok now being gut shot with a 45ACP, and make it to the hospital and live to tell about it???? First off I would not wish for any man to be shot with a 45ACP or any other firearm for that matter over a $10 bet thats for darn sure. Zrex does this mean that a 22cal is capable of more distruction than a 45ACP because it's a faster round???
Ok now being gut shot with a 45ACP, and make it to the hospital and live to tell about it???? First off I would not wish for any man to be shot with a 45ACP or any other firearm for that matter over a $10 bet thats for darn sure. Zrex does this mean that a 22cal is capable of more distruction than a 45ACP because it's a faster round???
I wish no harm to any man either, this was just an analogy, maybe a bad one. Sorry.
second question. No the 22 lr rifle will not be more destructive than the .45 becasue it hasnt overcome its small size with enough velocity. But put that same 45 gr bullet in a bigger case( 22-250) and now it has overcome it's small size, it's energy has now 10 folded giving it about 4 times more energy than the .45, and now making it more destructive. Why ? come on now every one say it with me. VELOCITY. LOL
Of course the best would be big bullets with lots of velocity. basically all high powered rifles. But my point is bigger bullets dont ensure it to be better than a smaller faster bullet. Case in point, the .243 compared to the 30-30. it has over come its smaller size with velocity making it harder hitting than the 30-30
05-20-2005, 12:07 PM
#73
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
Well this settles it....the 204 Ruger has to be the best grizz buster ever built! 
SSDD Using this same argument that would make the 204 twice as good as the 243! Again...SSDD
SSDD Using this same argument that would make the 204 twice as good as the 243! Again...SSDD
05-20-2005, 12:10 PM
#74
Spike
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
"Shoot a man in the gut with a .45. 10 bucks says he'll make it to a hospital to have the bullet removed and live another day to tell about it."
Reb,
We all know that the 22cal can be a very deadly round and yes can cause damage. However my retort was regaurding the quote listed above from Zrex. I don't know about you but a 45ACP has been known to be a very effective round and to be shot in the gut chances are it will keep on going out the back side taking god knows what with it (Not a pretty sight). Again I respect everyones point of view and my intentions are not to say anyone is wrong, just partaking in conversation.
Reb,
We all know that the 22cal can be a very deadly round and yes can cause damage. However my retort was regaurding the quote listed above from Zrex. I don't know about you but a 45ACP has been known to be a very effective round and to be shot in the gut chances are it will keep on going out the back side taking god knows what with it (Not a pretty sight). Again I respect everyones point of view and my intentions are not to say anyone is wrong, just partaking in conversation.
05-20-2005, 12:16 PM
#76
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
ORIGINAL: Doe Dumper
Well this settles it....the 204 Ruger has to be the best grizz buster ever built! SSDD Using this same argument that would make the 204 twice as good as the 243! Again...SSDD
Well this settles it....the 204 Ruger has to be the best grizz buster ever built!
SSDD Using this same argument that would make the 204 twice as good as the 243! Again...SSDD
05-20-2005, 12:30 PM
#77
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
I think I got exactly what you were saying..lol. VELOCITY MAN!!! VELOCITY...IT IS THE CURE ALL!! Mass doesnt matter!! Speed quadruples energy....yep I read exactly what ya said! Cant wait to try some 204 medicine on some big bears! Im pumped!!! If a gun doesnt shoot 3800 fps or faster its a hunka chit!!
Im pumped!!! If a gun doesnt shoot 3800 fps or faster its a hunka chit!!
05-20-2005, 12:31 PM
#78
Dominant Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
Zrex, depends what 30-30 round you are using. Have you ever used a
PMC 30-30 "Srar Fire" before? It opens up like a Rose Pedel and you ought
to see what it does to a Hog at 100 to 125 yds, it knocks a chunk out.
PMC 30-30 "Srar Fire" before? It opens up like a Rose Pedel and you ought
to see what it does to a Hog at 100 to 125 yds, it knocks a chunk out.
05-20-2005, 12:57 PM
#79
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
ORIGINAL: Doe Dumper
I think I got exactly what you were saying..lol. VELOCITY MAN!!! VELOCITY...IT IS THE CURE ALL!! Mass doesnt matter!! Speed quadruples energy....yep I read exactly what ya said! Cant wait to try some 204 medicine on some big bears! Im pumped!!! If a gun doesnt shoot 3800 fps or faster its a hunka chit!!
I think I got exactly what you were saying..lol. VELOCITY MAN!!! VELOCITY...IT IS THE CURE ALL!! Mass doesnt matter!! Speed quadruples energy....yep I read exactly what ya said! Cant wait to try some 204 medicine on some big bears!
Im pumped!!! If a gun doesnt shoot 3800 fps or faster its a hunka chit!!
give me a break, I aint never said anything remotely close to what your saying.
05-20-2005, 01:25 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 vs. 30-30
The fact is the faster smaller bullet with more energy leaves more destruction to tissue.
Wound channel=energy=velocity.
Energy is derived from velocity
Energy is derived from velocity
Dont you understand, velocity is everything.
Like I said before compare a 30-30 to a 300 mag both are shooting a 150 gr bullet, but whats gonna do more damage ? The Mag of course. Why.... VELOCITY!
VELOCITY=ENERGY=WOUND CHANNEL.
Like I said before compare a 30-30 to a 300 mag both are shooting a 150 gr bullet, but whats gonna do more damage ? The Mag of course. Why.... VELOCITY!
VELOCITY=ENERGY=WOUND CHANNEL.
This is a quote from a web site.
quote:
Note that in developing muzzle energy, muzzle velocity is much more important than projectile weight. Doubling the muzzle velocity of a projectile quadruples its energy, whereas doubling the projectile weight only doubles its energy.
quote:
Note that in developing muzzle energy, muzzle velocity is much more important than projectile weight. Doubling the muzzle velocity of a projectile quadruples its energy, whereas doubling the projectile weight only doubles its energy.
Why ? come on now every one say it with me. VELOCITY. LOL
give me a break, I aint never said anything remotely close to what your saying.
Just tell me exactly what it is you are tryin to say? LOL I dont think you even know yourself.....
My last response to ya.....have a good day sir!
Pouring Immodium A-D on that keyboard will help.