The Ruger MK-II action is not a true CRF action though. Look at it the next time you feed a shell and notice that the bolt on the Ruger does not hold the shell within the bolt face. Therefore, if you were to turn it upside down during feeding a shell, it will fall out. Many people think Ruger action = Winchester CRF action. It does not.

Also the Ruger safety is not part of the bolt like the winchester. The pre 64 action was a little longer too. IMHO the best part of the pre 64 was the cut rifleing instead of hammer forged.

[quote]The Ruger MK-II action is not a true CRF action though. Look at it the next time you feed a shell and notice that the bolt on the Ruger does not hold the shell within the bolt face. Therefore, if you were to turn it upside down during feeding a shell, it will fall out.
I' ll worry about that next time I shoot my rifle upside down... you never know it may happen someday.. I can also feed a shell into the chamber and close my bolt over it without messing up the extractor something a Winchester cannot do. .No the Ruger safety is not part of the bolt ...it actually locks the firing pin and sear at the same time in full back position which makes it safer than the Winchester. It also can handle a ruptured case much better than any Winchester exiting the gas thru the magazine thru some pretty substantial slotted holes . Hmm when did I ever hear that pre64' s were tack drivers perhaps good shooting guns but tack drivers because of the cut rifling... seriously now. The pre 64 is a good collectors piece that belongs in the gun safe . If your going to build a custom rifle the newer MOdel 70' s are much better choices...

oldelkhunter, I don' t know which one is safer, I' m not an engineer, but I' ll take your word for it.

About the cut rifleing though, all you have to do is check the benchrest shooting seen, and very series varmit shooters, 99% of all the barrels they use are cut rifeling and usually replacement barrels.

I do agree with you that todays rifles are stronger, because the steel alloy is stronger, although the craftmanship and attetion to detail as slipped through the years.

I could be wrong but I think I have seen some pre 64' s with chrome lined bores.

I had a few pre 64 Model 70' s before the were overpriced and sought after. They were a good rifle but I would never pay the price they ask for them now. In my opinion they never were the rifle that the model 700 Remington was and is. Many people look for the Pre 64 model 70' s to bulid a custom gun. I think its more snob appeal than common sense. Thats just my opinion though for those who want to do it, its more money for a few of my gunsmith friends.