I had a few pre 64 Model 70' s before the were overpriced and sought after. They were a good rifle but I would never pay the price they ask for them now. In my opinion they never were the rifle that the model 700 Remington was and is. Many people look for the Pre 64 model 70' s to bulid a custom gun. I think its more snob appeal than common sense. Thats just my opinion though for those who want to do it, its more money for a few of my gunsmith friends.