RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

The only time I sold a 710 (hence, someone bought a 710) was when they absolutely demanded to have it simply because it was a Remington, or it was a brand new hunter that had never hunted before. Then I would push it. I would tell newbies that it was satisfactory for them to use just to make sure they really wanted to hunt deer. But I also told them that once they made up their mind that they liked it, and continued to do it, they could trash the thing and upgrade very easily.

I also sold alot more Howa' s to people that came in wanting the 710. Why? Because when they got the thing in their hands, they realized that it wasn' t what Remington had been advertising. The minute they handled the Howa (which is the same gun as a Weatherby Vanguard because they make it for Weatherby) they went with the Howa. Cost? Gun and " decent" scope would cost them $100.00 more than the 710.

For an entry level gun, I agree that the 710 is just fine and that' s what I believe is it' s only purpose. But once you decide that stepping out on a frosty morning; sitting all day shivering in snow or rain; taking a bead on a living, breathing creature and pulling the trigger; taking your knife and opening up it' s belly to gut it; and finally getting to taste some of it' s delicious meat; is really what you want to do more than anything else, it' s time to get a real rifle.

I' m glad you like yours. But I bet in 5 years you won' t even remember who you pawned it off on. And if a Vanguard costs 499.00 where you live, I' d hate to see what a Coke or a gallon of gasoline runs there.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I' m lovin the snide remarks you keep pulling out of your @$$ danny, but if you think that you need a " real" gun to be a real hunter then I guess your missing the whole point of being out there.

" But once you decide that stepping out on a frosty morning; sitting all day shivering in snow or rain; taking a bead on a living, breathing creature and pulling the trigger; taking your knife and opening up it' s belly to gut it; and finally getting to taste some of it' s delicious meat; is really what you want to do more than anything else, it' s time to get a real rifle. " - Is that your sales pitch?

I love to hunt, I live on a 600 acre farm surounded by 2 state and national forests, when season roles around I hunt every day I can, from an hour before sunrise till sunset, if I get one that doesn' t stop me from going out again just to be out there, thats what huntings about IMO Just Being Out There. I' ve taken 7 deer with rifles and 1 with a bow, and none of them cared who made the weapon or what it looked like.
Sorry for the rant but that attitude burns me every time.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Well, I noticed that you didn' t take a beany flip with you. Maybe you had a real rifle when you were out there and shot those deer. Was any of them shot with the 710? And who said my comment was anything but a generalized statement on my view of the subject. I don' t recall writing your name on there, and directing it at you. But I' ll tell you, that my opinion on that is how the vast majority of hunters I talk to and know, feel about it. You feel differently, and that' s fine. I' m not burned up about it. If you ever change your mind about the 710, remember where you heard it first.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Hi all. I' m new here and not trying to start any fights. I bought my 710 before I read or heard any bad things about it. The action was a little rough at first, but after a few rounds, good cleaning, and lube, it works fine. Pretty smooth actually. I had a 700 ADL once. Got stolen from me. The two are different, I' ll say that, but I wouldn' t be so quick to say better or worse. My 710 shoots great. So far, most that I have heard talk bad about the 710, don' t own one. To be honest, when I bought it, I was looking to buy a Savage. Every Savage behind the counter that day had big problems: jammed bolts mostly. They did have a good one in the back, but I got scared of the jammed bolts and went with the 710. I' ve always been a Remington fan. Now, Danny, you sound like you sell guns or work on them for a living. If so, you would have a better view than most of us. I' ll only say this, I have always believed that 99% of the hunt is the hunter, not the gun. I hunt with a lot of rifles. Not the least of which is a 50+ year old Russian bolt action in 7.62X54R. Bought it for $50. Shoots pretty good. Got laughed at the last time I went hunting with it by some jerks with expensive equipment. I came out with a decent pig. Wish I could say they didn' t. They did. But it showed that, on that day at least, our equipment had little to do with it. Either we were all decent hunters, or the pigs were suicidal. Just my thoughts.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

go with 700 remington sendero awesome action or a used rem 788 model

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

elgallo114, I do agree that the hunter is the most important factor in a hunting situation. But, I have handled enough firearms in my time to know when one is made well, and when one is not. The whole action of the 710 feels like it' s made of plastic to me. I just can' t see spending the money for one when you can get a better rifle for the same or less money. Surely, it' s not because of the cheap Bushnell scope they come with that is the deciding factor in whether or not you buy it, is it? I' ve stated before, for the 1st time hunter, or even a hunter on a very tight budget, it would suffice until experience or better money situation comes along.

When you say the Savages all had the bolts jammed, exactly what do you mean? They wouldn' t lift? They wouldn' t open once lifted? or what? That does not sound right to me. If I remember correctly, the Savage bolt locks in place when the safety is on. Did anyone take the safety off to see if they would open?

Anyway, I just hope everyone is successful this year, and are happy with their choice of firearms. But in my opinion, Remington did no one any favors by making the 710. Good luck everyone.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I can' t believe that people would even argue over a 710 if that don' t beat all. For those that like them fine enjoy them and run them into the ground because you' ll never ever sell them privately to an individual or back to the same dealer that sold them to you unless 5 bucks is what your looking for. Please don' t knock down another brand of rifle(ie savage bolts won' t lift crap) to make yourself feel better about a pretty bad buying decision. First off it is not the lowest price quality rifle out there cheapest yes lowest price not if you haven' t looked at a Savage or a Howa. The figure I heard was that Remington spent almost 1 million developing this thing and who knows how much on advertising...If they would have just bought back the Model 78.(plain wood stock, matte metal or even the 788 ) they would have been miles ahead in my opinion. If all I had to buy a gun with was 300 dollars I will bet anything I could buy something better than that new or used.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Hey 4Star,I have a Rem ADL in 270, great gun. I' ve seen them priced at Acadamy for $329, put on a Leupold vx1 for about $200 and mounts for about $40 and you should be out the door for $600 with a pretty nice set up. Good luck!

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I find the whole 710 argument funny. Of course it' s not a fine gun. I bought one at a Sports Authority a couple of years ago. Not bad had the trigger worked on, then someone gave me (yes I said gave) a Leupold VX-I. Have killed everything that I have ever shot at without a miss. Gun was on sale for a little over $200 not a bad setup for the money! Plan to pick up a new .30-06 in the future but for now dead is dead. I think some folks have got some deficiency issues elsewhere that no gun will fix!

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Of the " 710 is a POS" crowd, I wonder how many actually have had one or have much experience with them or if they simply are jumping on the bandwagon and espousing the " internet stories" they have read so much about. I have heard from other dealers and some outfitters stories that go something like this, " Well the 710s we' ve dealt with resulted in a 40% problem rate" . First my question is, " What outfitter actually has paying customers that actually showup with such cheap package rifles on hunts anyway" ? I think that is an obvious lie right there. Then the dealers, if ANY product I sold had a 40% failure rate with my customers, do you actually think I would continue to sell it???

My brothers shops have been selling the 710s for 4 seasons now. We' ve probably honestly sold about 50-75 (half and half 270s vs 30/06 with the 270s goin first!). The only problem we' ve had with them? Running out of stock. Not the first problem has been had by all our customers and that says SOMETHING about the lil rigs. Sure they are' nt a Sako or a Mark X, but they are' nt designed to be. They are designed to be something for the first timer and those who just cant spend $500 or more for a " real gun" (whatever that is). Likewise I dont buy the, " For only another couple hundred you can have an ADL/Brand X scope rig" . Look guys, to the average 710 buyer, that extra couple hundred bucks may as well be a couple thousand. The difference between the buyer of a $350 rig vs the buyer of a $500 rig is MORE than $150. In some cases it may mean they dont buy ANYTHING at all.

IMO the key to the 710 is to completely " sterilize" it after it comes out of the box the first time. Take some Remington action cleaner and strip all that grease/gunk that coats the internals from the mfrg process and then treat the actions workings with a quality lube like ProTec GunOil and then just simply keep the gun clean.

I would MUCH rather see some kid or first timer get a 710 and learn well with it than be given/buy an old used rig or a 30/30 topped with a Tasco. The guns just dont get the credit they deserve.

And another thing guys, we as hunters/shooters should LOVE the 710 as it has done a MOST important job for us. It has recruited many new shooters and enthusiasts into our ranks! ;)
RA