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RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

The 710 is a joke. The 700 is a REAL action unlike the 710 which has a plastic sleeve that the bolt rides on. I' d personally buy a ruger but hey millions of 700 owners can' t be wrong.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Go with the 700. It has a long history for being a superior rifle. ;)

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Remington Model 700!!

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

go with the 700 you wont regret it

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

The 710 is junk. Go with the 700 ADL and you will not be sorry. If you are trying to save $$ and still want an inexpensive and reliable shoot, look at the Savage M-111. The Savage' s are great shooters and will not break the bank.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Whatever you do, stay away from that godawful 710.[X(][:@]:(

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

6 out of 6 so far vote for the 700. Looks like everyone dislikes the 710.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I' ll be the disenting vote here...Go for the 710...I have one in 270 and I love it. My sister has one in 30-06 and she loves hers too. Granted the actions aren' t silky smooth but what do expect from a gun that was designed to affordable for beginners and us poor folk. Mine shoots sub 1" groups at 100yds with either 150gr Remington CoreLokts or 140gr Federal Premuim HE trophy bonded bear claws. Not bad for " a P.O.S."

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Somebody just had to be the odd-ball.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Get the 700 ADL, and get a decent scope and you' ll be happy with your choice.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

DO not. Do not. Do not. Get the 710. Its worse than Junk. Get the 700 ADL its a great gun. I have three of them and am getting a fourth in a couple weeks.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Welcome to the forum 4star.From your location we are almost neighbors.
I have to join the band wagon too! The Rem 710 is pure garbage.If you' re set on Remington go with the 700. I would suggest looking at the Ruger M-77' s. Like 1 shot 1 kill said if you' re looking to save money the Savage is the way to go.Since you' re new to the forum go and research previous post from the last several months in the Guns forum. You' ll findout all you need to know about the 710 there. There' s probably recent a post about it in the Firearms Review.I' ve been on these forums for a few years now and have dabbled in guns for the last 30 years. I can' t ever remember another firearm getting such negitive reviews as the 710.Their 597 is running close if not taking the lead.
Ruger Redhawk

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RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Nobady has yet to explain to me why the 710 is such a piece of junk. I' ll admit that it' s not a high quality firearm. But I don' t think it' s piece of junk. My only complaint is that the bolt isn' t as smooth as I' d like. Is it that or the fact that you can' t change barrels or triggers, or maybe the fact that it only comes in 2 calibers that makes it piece of junk?

Mine shoots sub 1" groups with 2 differant ammos. Which is better than I can say for my boss' s 700. His groups are closer to 2" .

It' s uglier' n the north end of a south bound mule, but that' s fine for me. I don' t want a real pretty gun to hunt with. If I bang this thing up in the woods and swamps where I hunt, I don' t care. If it was a pretty gun, I' d be upset that I' d just dinged it. If money hadn' t of been an issue when I purchased it, I probably would have gotten a higher quality gun.

The only problem I' ve heard about is on some of the older ones, the safety had a problem. Remington sent out a recall notice and posted a link on their website to check serial numbers to find out if your gun was affected or not.

The Walmarts around here can' t seem to keep them in stock. When I bought mine, I had to call every Walmart in 3 counties to find one. Seems to be a pretty popular P.O.S.

I' ll get off my box now and see if someone will tell me exactly why it' s such an undesirable firearm.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

iloveto4x4innc, just how many firearms have you owned? What kind of experience with real firearms do you have to compare your 710 to? I will almost bet this is your first rifle. You want to know why the 710 is junk, ok here goes: trigger is heavy, gritty and not adjustable; bolt is sloppy, feels like it has been dropped on the beach, prone to fall out of the action; box magazine has been known to fall out unexpectedly, often fails to feed; barrel is pressed in and can work loose in time (anyone remember the FIE copy of the Ruger Single Six?); the stock fits like crap, looks like crap and feels like crap. Honestly I don' t see how anyone could get decent groups out of a 710 with that trigger. As far as Wal Mart selling out, as PT Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute. If people would pay attention they would realize they can get a Savage for the same or less money with more choices in chamberings and it is a far better rifle. Even the Howa isn' t that much more and far surpasses the 710.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

This isn' t even a fair comparism...Frizzelr and others spelled out the rifles(710) bad points quite adequately.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I grew up hunting and shooting. Granted this is the first rifle that I' ve actually owned, I have shot other rifles mainly older Winchesters and Brownings. I' ve yet to have a problem with the magazine falling out or any miss feeds. The bolt has come out in my hand once or twice and that was only because I didn' t get the locking lever pushed all the way down. I don' t mind the heavy trigger pull, maybe because I' ve had one with a light trigger. When I have more disponsable income, I will be getting me a better rifle to hunt elk with(thinking about a Tikka) but I' ll still keep my 710 for deer. When it wears out or breaks, then I' ll do what Remington had in mind for it and toss and get a new rifle. By that time I figure I' ll have gotten my $350 worth out of it and I won' t feel too bad about it. Like somebody already said, it' s a disposable gun. It is cheap, ugly, and not the best example of american craftsmanship and it has a few " issues" . I still don' t think that it' s a P.O.S., just not a real good firearm. The way some people on this forum talk, if you don' t have a minimum of 8 bills in your gun it' s not worth owning. Maybe one of these days I' ll get that 75K job and can afford to have a safe full of high dollar guns, until then, I' ll stick with the cheapies. I' ve seen cheap Walmart specials out shoot $2k custom jobs. If the cheapie works for you and doesn' t fall apart the second time you shoot it, then what' s the problem. Of the people who hate the 710, how many have actually owned or at least shot one?

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I think you summed it up quite nicely. Your above statement tells you why it' s a POS. This isn' t a car, or a tv, or a video game. Those things that have " issues" usually get taken care of and it' s no big deal. This is a " firearm" . It' s something that is a lethal weapon and deserves more attention than it got from Remington.

Heck, I wouldn' t even own a bb gun with the problems the 710 has had.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I haven' t shot either yet, but I ordered a Savage 111 in a .270 from WM for less than the Rem 710, FWIW...

So if what I have read throughout the internet is true, I got a better quality " economical" rifle for less than what many, not only here, but on other forums as well think is not such a good gun.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

ILoveto4X4,
I' ll tell you why I don' t like the Rem 710. As I posted in the " guns" forum to answer another member' s post on this very topic, I have always trusted the Remington name and I bought a 710 in 30-06 soon after it came out, almost two years ago. The bolt issue that you described can be dealt with as long as you keep it lubricated, but the trigger is COMPLETE JUNK. When the trigger is squeezed, the trigger creap is horrible and unsmooth. I have contacted Remington about this issue and have sent it to their authorized repair shop TWICE to no avail. The gunsmiths were friendly, but they are not permitted to perform adjustments to the sear engagement, which is where the true problem lies. Now that I' ve clearly done everything possible to correct my gun' s problem, I' m doing what I can to trade it in for a higher quality rifle. I wish I had never laid eyes on my 710. For the minimal amount of extra money, any true hunter should slap down the extra hundred bucks or so and buy an ADL with a comparable scope.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

A friend recently bought a 700 ADL in 243 win and when he went to sight it in he found it had 9.5 lbs of trigger pull . He took it back to the dealer where he bought it and the dealer said they couldn' t adjust the trigger ,he would have to send it in to be worked on . If this is an example of Remington quality control I don' t think I would buy either one of them . My friend sold the Remington and bought a Ruger 77 Mark II stainless .

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

ok guys, I guess I' ll join the oddball group on this one. I just bought one, and its not my first rifle. Prior to this I hunted w/ a savage lever action 308, and my winchester model 70 carbine in -30-06. I have also hunted w/ a ruger bolt action 243 of my uncles and have shot those 3 rifles quite a bit. I' ve also handled and plinked a few rounds through varriouse guns of friends and family. Anyway I bought the remington 710 cause I' m a college student on a budget. Am I planning on keeping this gun forever and ever? doubt it. The reason I bought it is cause I can upgrade guns and try out different calibers, etc down the line and still keep this gun or whatever cause for 300 bucks if I get a few years out of it it owes me nothing. In the store the action did feel a little stiff, but it was also bone dry. When I brought mine home the 1st thing I did was oiled the contact points, loosened it up and the action is totaly fine to my standards, besides how many times do you think about how smooth the action is when your squeezing one off into the kill zone on nice buck?. Its totaly somthing you can live with in my opinion. I dunno, maybe its all in a persons definition of junk. Theres going to be a few factory defects out there, thats what a warrantee is for. To tell ya the truth I was real happy with the gun until I came on here for the heck of it and started reading this stuff, then I was like, screw it, its fine for me.
I dunno, some people have to have rolexes and cadilacs, a timex tells time too and a tahoe is just an excalade w/out the body kit

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

So let me get this straight...

You bought the 710 because you are on a tight budget. That' s $350. However, in a couple of years, you will ditch it (I guess you will throw it away, as no one will ever buy one used) and buy a new " better" gun (let' s say $800 for rifle and scope).

That' s at least $1150 total.

On the other hand, you can go to Wal-Mart, Academy, Bass Pro, Cabela' s (you get the picture) and get a 700 ADL (wood or synthetic) or a Savage (wood or synthetic), slap a nice Nikon or lower end Leupold on top for about $600-$700.

That' s at least a $450 difference.

And you are worried about money.

I bought a Browning A-Bolt composite stalker in March and payed about $800 when finished. I' ll have it the rest of my life with no problems. I' m still $350 up on you.

I don' t see the logic in buying a gun you know will be replaced ASAP.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

k, didn' t make myself clear I guess. I bought it cause for what I' m doing now it fits the bill, I wanted an economical 30-06 bolt action rifle. In a couple of years I' ll have a REAL job and be out of school, in a couple of years I' ll probobly have a bigger cabinet of guns than I currently do, so if I buy a high end gun in a couple years it will probobly mean I' m not on a tight budget, also I' m not worried about buying a gun to hunt with for the rest oif my life, cause in reality I' ll hunt with more than one gun for the rest of my life, I had a cherry model 70, hunted with it for 3 years then sold it when it was worth more to someone else than it was to me.
I was real close to buying a weatherby vangaurd, but when it came down to it $500.00 for the rifle and another 2 for a scope didn' t make sence when I could get a rifle and scope for 330.00 that were as capable as the bottom line weatherby and keep atleast 300 bucks in my pocket. If this gun falls apart down the line I' ll be the 1st to let ya know, but like everthing else people talk $&!* about the instances of product failure or defect are limited to a small quantity of the product that gets more attention than it is deserves, happens all the time w/ everything in the market place. I' ve always heard bad things about dodge transmissions but of the many people I know who have a dodge I don' t know anyone whos had any severe tranny problems. In this instance I don' t see any problems with this gun, just alot of complaints from people who mostly don' t own em and heard from a friend who' s uncles brother inlaw had some incredible mishap.
For a gun that isn' t worth the plastic its molded out of I had no problems shooting a 3/4 group this afternoon. darn, what a POS.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I hate to tell you this, but you can get the Vanguard for a whole lot less money than 500.00!! And it' s not really their " lower end gun" . It' s made by Howa, and it is one of the best guns for the money you can get. Spend 350.00 for the gun, and another 199.00 for a good scope, and you' d have a much better gun, period. As far as a " bunch of people who don' t own one......" goes, there' s a reason for that. It' s because they know a POS when they see it.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Amen Danny.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Sorry, didn' t know that a good gun had to look good and be expensive, I always thought a good gun was one that shot accuratly consistently, which is what this gun does, thats a point you can' t argue.
As for the vanguard thats the sticker price around here, 499. The one I was going to buy was on sale at gander mountain and had a 3x9 leopold mounted on it for 600 bucks with a sling. I' ve heard of guys getting em for around 400 bucks but I havn' t seen it first hand around here. 350 sounds like the price they' d offer you if you buy 10 guns a year from em or own the shop, not what the average joe is going to be able to pick one up for. And why isn' t it their lower end gun? to my understanding its the bottom dollar you can pay to get somthing with " weatherby" stamped on the barrel, as little as it means. Please correct me if I' m wrong.
For 400+ I' m sure you can buy a " good" gun, and for another 200 put a leopold on and for 600+ rings and tax you' d have a " better" gun. But for 330 you could buy a 710 w/ a bushnell mounted on it and be shooting just as good as your " better" gun so wheres the advantage? I can go buy a " good" portable stand, steps, and a grunt call or whatever and probobly still spend less for all that and my gun than you did for a " better" gun. Does it matter? Not really, I won' t change your mind and you won' t change mine, one thing I' m glad of is that I didn' t start reading this forum before I bought my gun because stuff like this would have kept me from even looking at the 710, but as far as I' m concerned it seems like a good gun for the money and a good option for someone new to hunting and on a budget or whatever the case may be.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

tikka t3 is sweet for the money

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I do not own a 710.I have however fired a friends 710 that he bought to save money.It shot reasonably well averaging 1-1/2" at 100 yards.However the action was so rough that it might as well be a single shot because it was so hard to cycle at any speed.The trigger was also the worst that I have used on a bolt action and felt like a new remington semi auto or pump action trigger.Yes he did save a little money but for an extra $100 he could have had a howa which would have been well worth the extra money.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

The only time I sold a 710 (hence, someone bought a 710) was when they absolutely demanded to have it simply because it was a Remington, or it was a brand new hunter that had never hunted before. Then I would push it. I would tell newbies that it was satisfactory for them to use just to make sure they really wanted to hunt deer. But I also told them that once they made up their mind that they liked it, and continued to do it, they could trash the thing and upgrade very easily.

I also sold alot more Howa' s to people that came in wanting the 710. Why? Because when they got the thing in their hands, they realized that it wasn' t what Remington had been advertising. The minute they handled the Howa (which is the same gun as a Weatherby Vanguard because they make it for Weatherby) they went with the Howa. Cost? Gun and " decent" scope would cost them $100.00 more than the 710.

For an entry level gun, I agree that the 710 is just fine and that' s what I believe is it' s only purpose. But once you decide that stepping out on a frosty morning; sitting all day shivering in snow or rain; taking a bead on a living, breathing creature and pulling the trigger; taking your knife and opening up it' s belly to gut it; and finally getting to taste some of it' s delicious meat; is really what you want to do more than anything else, it' s time to get a real rifle.

I' m glad you like yours. But I bet in 5 years you won' t even remember who you pawned it off on. And if a Vanguard costs 499.00 where you live, I' d hate to see what a Coke or a gallon of gasoline runs there.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I' m lovin the snide remarks you keep pulling out of your @$$ danny, but if you think that you need a " real" gun to be a real hunter then I guess your missing the whole point of being out there.

" But once you decide that stepping out on a frosty morning; sitting all day shivering in snow or rain; taking a bead on a living, breathing creature and pulling the trigger; taking your knife and opening up it' s belly to gut it; and finally getting to taste some of it' s delicious meat; is really what you want to do more than anything else, it' s time to get a real rifle. " - Is that your sales pitch?

I love to hunt, I live on a 600 acre farm surounded by 2 state and national forests, when season roles around I hunt every day I can, from an hour before sunrise till sunset, if I get one that doesn' t stop me from going out again just to be out there, thats what huntings about IMO Just Being Out There. I' ve taken 7 deer with rifles and 1 with a bow, and none of them cared who made the weapon or what it looked like.
Sorry for the rant but that attitude burns me every time.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Well, I noticed that you didn' t take a beany flip with you. Maybe you had a real rifle when you were out there and shot those deer. Was any of them shot with the 710? And who said my comment was anything but a generalized statement on my view of the subject. I don' t recall writing your name on there, and directing it at you. But I' ll tell you, that my opinion on that is how the vast majority of hunters I talk to and know, feel about it. You feel differently, and that' s fine. I' m not burned up about it. If you ever change your mind about the 710, remember where you heard it first.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Hi all. I' m new here and not trying to start any fights. I bought my 710 before I read or heard any bad things about it. The action was a little rough at first, but after a few rounds, good cleaning, and lube, it works fine. Pretty smooth actually. I had a 700 ADL once. Got stolen from me. The two are different, I' ll say that, but I wouldn' t be so quick to say better or worse. My 710 shoots great. So far, most that I have heard talk bad about the 710, don' t own one. To be honest, when I bought it, I was looking to buy a Savage. Every Savage behind the counter that day had big problems: jammed bolts mostly. They did have a good one in the back, but I got scared of the jammed bolts and went with the 710. I' ve always been a Remington fan. Now, Danny, you sound like you sell guns or work on them for a living. If so, you would have a better view than most of us. I' ll only say this, I have always believed that 99% of the hunt is the hunter, not the gun. I hunt with a lot of rifles. Not the least of which is a 50+ year old Russian bolt action in 7.62X54R. Bought it for $50. Shoots pretty good. Got laughed at the last time I went hunting with it by some jerks with expensive equipment. I came out with a decent pig. Wish I could say they didn' t. They did. But it showed that, on that day at least, our equipment had little to do with it. Either we were all decent hunters, or the pigs were suicidal. Just my thoughts.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

go with 700 remington sendero awesome action or a used rem 788 model

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

elgallo114, I do agree that the hunter is the most important factor in a hunting situation. But, I have handled enough firearms in my time to know when one is made well, and when one is not. The whole action of the 710 feels like it' s made of plastic to me. I just can' t see spending the money for one when you can get a better rifle for the same or less money. Surely, it' s not because of the cheap Bushnell scope they come with that is the deciding factor in whether or not you buy it, is it? I' ve stated before, for the 1st time hunter, or even a hunter on a very tight budget, it would suffice until experience or better money situation comes along.

When you say the Savages all had the bolts jammed, exactly what do you mean? They wouldn' t lift? They wouldn' t open once lifted? or what? That does not sound right to me. If I remember correctly, the Savage bolt locks in place when the safety is on. Did anyone take the safety off to see if they would open?

Anyway, I just hope everyone is successful this year, and are happy with their choice of firearms. But in my opinion, Remington did no one any favors by making the 710. Good luck everyone.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I can' t believe that people would even argue over a 710 if that don' t beat all. For those that like them fine enjoy them and run them into the ground because you' ll never ever sell them privately to an individual or back to the same dealer that sold them to you unless 5 bucks is what your looking for. Please don' t knock down another brand of rifle(ie savage bolts won' t lift crap) to make yourself feel better about a pretty bad buying decision. First off it is not the lowest price quality rifle out there cheapest yes lowest price not if you haven' t looked at a Savage or a Howa. The figure I heard was that Remington spent almost 1 million developing this thing and who knows how much on advertising...If they would have just bought back the Model 78.(plain wood stock, matte metal or even the 788 ) they would have been miles ahead in my opinion. If all I had to buy a gun with was 300 dollars I will bet anything I could buy something better than that new or used.

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Hey 4Star,I have a Rem ADL in 270, great gun. I' ve seen them priced at Acadamy for $329, put on a Leupold vx1 for about $200 and mounts for about $40 and you should be out the door for $600 with a pretty nice set up. Good luck!

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

I find the whole 710 argument funny. Of course it' s not a fine gun. I bought one at a Sports Authority a couple of years ago. Not bad had the trigger worked on, then someone gave me (yes I said gave) a Leupold VX-I. Have killed everything that I have ever shot at without a miss. Gun was on sale for a little over $200 not a bad setup for the money! Plan to pick up a new .30-06 in the future but for now dead is dead. I think some folks have got some deficiency issues elsewhere that no gun will fix!

RE: Rem 700 ADL or 710 ???
 

Of the " 710 is a POS" crowd, I wonder how many actually have had one or have much experience with them or if they simply are jumping on the bandwagon and espousing the " internet stories" they have read so much about. I have heard from other dealers and some outfitters stories that go something like this, " Well the 710s we' ve dealt with resulted in a 40% problem rate" . First my question is, " What outfitter actually has paying customers that actually showup with such cheap package rifles on hunts anyway" ? I think that is an obvious lie right there. Then the dealers, if ANY product I sold had a 40% failure rate with my customers, do you actually think I would continue to sell it???

My brothers shops have been selling the 710s for 4 seasons now. We' ve probably honestly sold about 50-75 (half and half 270s vs 30/06 with the 270s goin first!). The only problem we' ve had with them? Running out of stock. Not the first problem has been had by all our customers and that says SOMETHING about the lil rigs. Sure they are' nt a Sako or a Mark X, but they are' nt designed to be. They are designed to be something for the first timer and those who just cant spend $500 or more for a " real gun" (whatever that is). Likewise I dont buy the, " For only another couple hundred you can have an ADL/Brand X scope rig" . Look guys, to the average 710 buyer, that extra couple hundred bucks may as well be a couple thousand. The difference between the buyer of a $350 rig vs the buyer of a $500 rig is MORE than $150. In some cases it may mean they dont buy ANYTHING at all.

IMO the key to the 710 is to completely " sterilize" it after it comes out of the box the first time. Take some Remington action cleaner and strip all that grease/gunk that coats the internals from the mfrg process and then treat the actions workings with a quality lube like ProTec GunOil and then just simply keep the gun clean.

I would MUCH rather see some kid or first timer get a 710 and learn well with it than be given/buy an old used rig or a 30/30 topped with a Tasco. The guns just dont get the credit they deserve.

And another thing guys, we as hunters/shooters should LOVE the 710 as it has done a MOST important job for us. It has recruited many new shooters and enthusiasts into our ranks! ;)
RA