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stubblejumper 02-22-2008 10:20 PM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 

Bullet performance does matter if you are shooting deer behind the shoulder (which is where you are supposed to shoot them with a bow... not a rifle... not if you don't want to track them some of the time).
I have not had to track any big game animal that I have shot in over 10 years.Almost all were shot behind the shoulder with a high velocity cartridge using either a nosler ballistic tip or a barnes tsx.

SwampCollie 02-22-2008 11:17 PM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 


ORIGINAL: stubblejumper


Bullet performance does matter if you are shooting deer behind the shoulder (which is where you are supposed to shoot them with a bow... not a rifle... not if you don't want to track them some of the time).
I have not had to track any big game animal that I have shot in over 10 years.Almost all were shot behind the shoulder with a high velocity cartridge using either a nosler ballistic tip or a barnes tsx.

Which is why you shoot ballistic tips... we've had our rounds on this one stubble. It works for you. Keep on layin' em out. ;)

Pavomesa 02-23-2008 02:55 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 
Cutehow you've changed your story, Swamp. Now all of a sudden bullet performance DOES matter and you want totry to spin your ignorant remarksoff into some BS about brain shots. Well...........duh..................you don't even need abullet to kill an animal hitting it in the brain. A hammer will work just fine. Or even a rock.:)

Sure youcan kill a deer with an FMJ. An idiot knows that. I wonder why most states outlaw the use of FMJ's for hunting deer?:D Could it be they know something you haven't figured out yet?[8D]

Shucks, you can kill an elephant with a brainshot and an FMJ...or if you've got a week and nothing better to do, you can kill an elephant with an FMJ and shoot him somewhere else.:eek: What does this have to do with hunting and bullet performance?

You can CLAIM to have killed half the animals in this hemisphere. Talk's cheap. But I tell you again, your ignorance of bullet performance and its role in huntingshows you don't know the butt plate from the muzzle. Anyone who hasn't seen the difference inwhatbulletscan and can't do hasn't hunted much. Maybe someday you'll have a clue and I won't have to waste my time trying toeducate you.:(



Briman 02-23-2008 08:19 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 

Absolutely you can kill deer with FMJ bullets. A lot of the guys I hunted with SC used their high power match ARs with Berger bullets.
There's a big differrence between a Berger and a FMJ though. Walt Berger tested his match bullets on a wide variety of game and found that they almost unerringly penetrate about 4" intact, then very violently expand- traits that would make for a very good hunting bullet.



biscuit jake 02-23-2008 09:10 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 
No, I don't believe in the tooth fairy or hydrostatic shock.

stubblejumper 02-23-2008 09:28 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 

I've never had deer do anything but flop when I hit them in the right spot. Doesn't matter whether it was with a .17, 204, 7-08 or what. Bang, flop. I think bullet performance has almost little or nothing to do with it.

Bullet performance does matter if you are shooting deer behind the shoulder
How the story changes.:D:D:D:D

devil dog 02-23-2008 10:26 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 
I guess Ill chime in agan, hydrostatic shock is the term used for the wound channel created by the design of the bullit, all bullits create hydrostatic shock. Many factors make up a bullit and what it does to the material it hits. To start, the design of the bullit; FMJ, Soft point, protected point, Ballistic tip and ets., next you need a powder charge, a charge designed to get the bullit downrange and at the correct velocity to make the bullit do what it was designed to do, expand, fragment, yaw. The firearm that its shot from also changes the effect, 16" bbl, 18" bbl, 22" bbl, 26" bbl, if thecartridge is designed "reloaded"to be shot from a 26" barrel, exterior ballistics will change dramaticly if shot from a 16" bbl and the hydrostatic shock will be lessoned greatly. To get back to the original posters question, increasing velocity on one perticular bullit can do good or bad, it is the design of the bullit that determine it, will it increase the hydrostatic shock on an animal, possible, will the bullit function to its design, maybe, but when your talking 3 to 400 fps, will it kill an animal any quicker than a bullit traveling slower, NO! Shot placement is the main thing that determines how quick an animal expires, if I could get away with it 100% of the time, I would make them all head shots, then I wouldnt spend hours trying to come up with a better bullit to shoot!.

stubblejumper 02-23-2008 10:56 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 

Shot placement is the only thing that determines how quick an animal expires,
Not at all true.If shot through the lungs with a non expanding bullet,the animal may run a long ways before expiring.With the exact same shot placement and a rapid expanding bullet,the animal will normally expire much quicker.
And there is no such thing as a bullit.:D:D:D:D:D

Briman 02-23-2008 11:32 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 

if the bullit is designed to be shot from a 26" barrel
*Slaps forehead*I'll have to check my boxes of 'bullits' to see if any of them are designed for a certain length of barrel. I might have been doing this realoding thing wrong all of these years.

stubblejumper 02-23-2008 11:59 AM

RE: Anyone believe in high-velocity killing power?
 

if the bullit is designed to be shot from a 26" barrel
Is every bullet also designed for a specific cartridge as well,considering that a .284" bullet can be driven quicker out of a 24" barreled 7mmremmag than a 26" barreled 7mm-08.:eek:


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