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RE: New Remington 710 rifle
I'll mark on my calendar 7 years from now to post the status of my 710...dead or alive. This season will be season #4 for my trusty 710. :D
As for firearms collecting dust, unfortunately mine collect more than I care to admit. Got kids in 4th, 8th and 10th grade, with the oldest playing football. Pretty much keeps me busy from late July to end of October. Then the girls play basketball for a couple of months during the winter. Got church on Sunday, so I've got the Saturdays of the year plus some vacation time plus the daylight hours after work to work in time at the range. I hope you'll understand if I just don't have time to spend totin' my 710 up to your deer camp. :) Sorry to read about your friend. |
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I have shot a 710 in .270 for the past 2 seasons and haven't had any problems whatsoever.
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ORIGINAL: ranger140892 I would never consider using a Savage under normal circumstances. If I was forced to choose between a Savage and a Remington 710, I'd cry as I walked away with the Savage. I have read a lot of good about them and not a lot of bad. Would be curious to hear your opinion. Thanks. |
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Didn't mean to strike a Savage nerve but here goes:
Using a nut to attach a barrel to the receiver instead of threading it and actually headspacing is rediculous.110 bolts are even more silly. The safety is weak, and the triggers are horrible, especially that rooty poo Canjar wannabe Set Trigger they make now. However I have re-barrelled a few (without the nut), replaced the triggers and they shot really well. But they were still Savages. There's a reason why custom builders use 700's, Mod 70's, 98's, and Dakota's,..and not Savage. |
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Well, you haven't struck a nerve in me, yet.:D:D:D Seriously, I don't know enough about any of the designs to really debate.
But, some of the things you mention are actually positives from other peoples' perspective. You say the safety is weak, is it dangerous? That would be very important to me if it is.Also, I assume you are talking about the Accu-trigger. Most say they are good and you say they are horrible. Mine was 2 1/2 lbs out of the box and no creep. My Ruger 10-22 was 7+ lbs. After I put in a new trigger kit, including an oversized pin, it is 2 lbs. But, after I was done, I think I had $70 or so into the trigger alone. I know they aren't a custom rifle, they are what they are. I also know the scope that came on it is a cheap Simmons, but it is adequate for what I want, right now. For $355 I could not be more thrilled. If I were going to pay $1000, would I buy the Savage? No. Anyway, I am not trying to start a nasty bunch of name calling. There has been enough of that on here lately. I am interested in hearing everyones opinions, even if I don't agree sometimes. |
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Ranger, Also, I added a question to the "Primos Coyote Calls???" thread, I am hoping you will answer, even though I have a Savage.:D
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RE: New Remington 710 rifle
Simply get a 710 and a 700, look em' over. You'll notice a change. You get what you pay for usually.
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Right on target.
If you use the 700 as a baseline, you won't even think of trusting a 710. ORIGINAL: ConstructionWorker Simply get a 710 and a 700, look em' over. You'll notice a change. You get what you pay for usually. |
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I have just found out that three of my acquaintances are shooting the 710 as well. 2 of them are shooting the 7mm and one is shooting a 270 like myself. All are extremely satisfied with thier rifles. The one guy though that doesnt take care of his rifle at all has rust on the bolt already though, but not taking care of any gun will lead to that problem.
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RE: New Remington 710 rifle
When Remington first came out with the 710 I had a few customers that wanted one. Every one of those 710's went back to Remington for repairs. They had problems with the slide inserts, bolt latch, safety switch, magazine release. Remington had fixed them, but they still had problems with them. Maybe the newer ones are better who knows. They were the most problem guns I ever had in my store. Never ordered them again. How one person told me they make good boat anchors. You get what you pay for.
For all you Walmart shoppers. Why don't you support your local gun shops that's what there in business for not some big chain store that once the product leaves the front door especially firearms. If something goes wrong it is your problem. Hell could freeze over before I would buy from Walmart. A friend of mine had bought a scope from Walmart that was on sale. Sale price was $49.95 MSRP price was $49.99 big sale. He took it back and I had sold him that same scope for $35.00. Distributor price on that scope was $23.00. Another example: I had a ruger 96/22 in my store for $235.00 a customer came in looked at my price and told me he would get it cheaper at Walmart. He had stopped in a couple of days later bragging that he bought that 22 cheaper. I looked at his recept he actually paid $276.00 for the same gun. Big stores are not always cheaper. There I said my peace. |
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I agree with you Hunter712 on trying to support your local gun shop.I have bought 6 guns in the past year from mine. One that I bought from them had a minor problem and once I took it back, they fixed it right there on the spot. If that same thing had happened to a gun bought from Wallmart (scope mounts came unscrewed, not long enough screws where used to mount it), I would have had to stand in line at the customer service dept andfill out paperwork for a return or exchange. Now in my area, I ususally do end up paying more for things from my gun shop, but to me it is worth it. I do purchase ammo from Wallmart sometimes though, it works out to about $3 to $10 a box cheaper from Wallmart than through any of the other distributers in my area. That is just too big of a margin imho. I know one thing though, if I had heard of all of these problems before I bought my 710 I probably never would have bought one. I read reviews on the 710 from a couple of the magazines that had tested them last year and both where more than positive about the $359 gun, and that is where I got my info from. I hadnt found this forum yet. ;)
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Yep, support local guns shops. Sure is nice to have a staff with knowledge that supports us and stocks needed firearms and supplies.
As for magazine reviews...I've never read a bad review on any new firearm from a major manufacturer. It would be suicide for a magazine / writerto p!ss off a big gun maker.Gun makers arebuying all the multi page adds, sending the writers major freebee's and hunting trips,and sponsoring all the cool programs and giveaways. |
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does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad?
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ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad? |
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not.
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The 710 does have a descent recoil pad on it. Why would you say that the recoil pad sucks, it is better than most stock recoil pads out there.
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I do have to agree that the 710 is a cheap rifle. But you don't need a recoil pad for it.
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ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad? |
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Another 710 thread where everyone s-talks the rifle and very few of you own one or have even shot one. Now that I said that, I'm sure you'll say you have. Whatever.
Every "gunsmith" or "gun dealer" on this board says "all" their customers have had problems with them. Yet, me and my 2 buddies who bought one have never had problems with them. And we all put 2 or 3 hundred rounds a year through them. Been three years now. I don't know how many rifles were affected by the recall, but according to Remington, any other problems reported and serviced under warranty numbered about the sames as for their other lines. IN THEIR PRICE RANGE, they are just as good as any other rifle. The Savage has it's problems too, but you never hear about them. Why? Cuz they stuck to the mold and didn't try anything new. That's what people don't like about the 710. There's some innovative ideas incorporated on it and a lot of people just don't like the change. Fine. Don't buy it. But to bad mouth something you've no experience with is stupid and irresponsible. I've seen many Savage's on the shelf already broken. All a broken rifle on the shelf means is that the store has poor supervision of idiot customers abusing the rifles when they are looking at them. Anything can break. Typical whinny remarks.. "They had a recall!" So has Honda and Lexus. It happens. The mark of a good company is one that will stand by it's product and recall it if necessary. "They're made with some plastic!" So is the space shuttle, spy satalites, and most of your computer. Plastic does not mean crap. It does not mean weaker than metal. In fact, in a lot of ways, plastic is more durable and longer lasting than most metals. "They feel like junk!" So does the M16 and all it's varients. And regardless of some of your opinions of the M16 series, it is still the standard weapon of the baddest Mother F'ing military in the world. And, it's also the highest selling rifle in thecivilian market. It's the most used platform for match rifles and varmint rifles. So, don't like the 710? Who cares. Own one for a few years then talk. Mines fine. Not my first choice. Not my last. I got what I paid for, and that's all I ever ask. |
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ORIGINAL: elgallo114 Another 710 thread where everyone s-talks the rifle and very few of you own one or have even shot one. Now that I said that, I'm sure you'll say you have. Whatever. Every "gunsmith" or "gun dealer" on this board says "all" their customers have had problems with them. Yet, me and my 2 buddies who bought one have never had problems with them. And we all put 2 or 3 hundred rounds a year through them. Been three years now. I don't know how many rifles were affected by the recall, but according to Remington, any other problems reported and serviced under warranty numbered about the sames as for their other lines. IN THEIR PRICE RANGE, they are just as good as any other rifle. The Savage has it's problems too, but you never hear about them. Why? Cuz they stuck to the mold and didn't try anything new. That's what people don't like about the 710. There's some innovative ideas incorporated on it and a lot of people just don't like the change. Fine. Don't buy it. But to bad mouth something you've no experience with is stupid and irresponsible. I've seen many Savage's on the shelf already broken. All a broken rifle on the shelf means is that the store has poor supervision of idiot customers abusing the rifles when they are looking at them. Anything can break. Typical whinny remarks.. "They had a recall!" So has Honda and Lexus. It happens. The mark of a good company is one that will stand by it's product and recall it if necessary. "They're made with some plastic!" So is the space shuttle, spy satalites, and most of your computer. Plastic does not mean crap. It does not mean weaker than metal. In fact, in a lot of ways, plastic is more durable and longer lasting than most metals. "They feel like junk!" So does the M16 and all it's varients. And regardless of some of your opinions of the M16 series, it is still the standard weapon of the baddest Mother F'ing military in the world. And, it's also the highest selling rifle in thecivilian market. It's the most used platform for match rifles and varmint rifles. So, don't like the 710? Who cares. Own one for a few years then talk. Mines fine. Not my first choice. Not my last. I got what I paid for, and that's all I ever ask. |
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And you've obviously had extensive experience with this rifle? You can bash it all you want. It won't change reality for those who actually own one. And if they do and then they want to bash it, good. At least they have a respectable opinion instead of just jumping on a band wagon.
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ORIGINAL: elgallo114 And you've obviously had extensive experience with this rifle? You can bash it all you want. It won't change reality for those who actually own one. And if they do and then they want to bash it, good. At least they have a respectable opinion instead of just jumping on a band wagon. |
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Chantecler, no disrespect to you or anything, but have you ever shot the 710 before? To me it shoots pretty good. As you know I killed an 8 point buck a couple of weeks ago. I can't complain about my 710. I can't say anything about Savage rifles because i've never shot or even held one before. I also am not saying that you don't know your stuff.
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Here's the thing. I'm not trying to **** talk Chantecler or anyone else who does not like the 710.
I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair to bash a product, any product, without ever having owned one or extensively used one. If you have then you are certainly entitled to not like it. If you have never owned one, then you are still entitled to make negative comments about it, just like anyone else. But to go as far as some people do in bashing certain products with out personal knowledge of them, just seems stupid to me. Would I recommend this rifle to others? Well, I don't see the real need to since you can just buy a 700 for about $150 more. Or save another couple hundred and buy top of the line 700. But if someone were hell bent on spending under 400 for a rifle, then yes, it's just as good as any other rifle under 400. Just my opinion. I, like everyone, could be wrong. |
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For anybody who wants to doubt my experience, I have shot many 710's, I work at a range and sight guns in for people all the time, I just cannot get any 710 to shoot as good as my Savage, and if anyone here can get groups under 3/4" with their 710 then please post it.
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not trying to be "smart" with you chantecler, but do you mean 3 to 4 inches or three-quarters of an inch. something i will do this week during thanksgiving break is to see if i can get under the mark. it's something to do at least.[8D]
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actually now that i think about it, when i did sight in my 710, i hit the bullseye. but it was sure luck and i aimed under the bullseye so i guess it really doesn't count huh? haha
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ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad? |
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ORIGINAL: dway87 actually now that i think about it, when i did sight in my 710, i hit the bullseye. but it was sure luck and i aimed under the bullseye so i guess it really doesn't count huh? haha |
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ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad? |
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ORIGINAL: dway87 not trying to be "smart" with you chantecler, but do you mean 3 to 4 inches or three-quarters of an inch. something i will do this week during thanksgiving break is to see if i can get under the mark. it's something to do at least.[8D] |
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No i am not offended. You are entitled to your opinion. Once I get my 30-30 a scope and sighted i am sure that will be my primary rifle. Im glad to hear a debate about this gun. Very interesting.
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ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: dway87 not trying to be "smart" with you chantecler, but do you mean 3 to 4 inches or three-quarters of an inch. something i will do this week during thanksgiving break is to see if i can get under the mark. it's something to do at least.[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad? |
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ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 ORIGINAL: Chantecler111 ORIGINAL: ncpreacherboy1 does the 710 have the r3 or limb saver recoil pad? |
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Here you go. This is a group I got from my 710 using Federal Premium 150gr Sierra GameKing BTSP ammo. The other holes at the top of the paper are from using other ammo (Remington Core-lokt and Managed Recoil). The reason this group is not centered is because I was running out of daylight and didn't have time to reshoot after tweaking the scope the final time. (I wanted it to shoot a tad high @ 100 yards, so I just dialed it over a few clicks to the right.)
So, what's your estimate of this group? They're all within a 1 square inch block on the target @ 100 yards. In a practical, real-world hunting situation, what difference will a 3/4" rifle make over my 710? None, nada, zip. Since something like 75%+ of all deer are shot at less than 100 yards in the Eastern and Southern US, then a Savage that shoots 1/4" better groups than my 710 is a negligible difference. I've got an idea. Maybe someone should print up some of those stickers that the "sophisticated" truck owners have. You know, the ones with the little brat peeing on the Ford/Chevy/Dodge symbol. You can just replace it with a 710. :D Hurrah for elgallo for being a voice of reason in all this. As he said, I got what I paid for and it's just fine. Strangely, noone ever says WHY the Savage is "so much better", only that it is. If it's only based on the accuracy, then there's no practical difference. Go with what you like.  |
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No offense, but my 10 year old nephew can shoot better than that.:D
The reason Savage is better because of the design, look at the barrel on the 710, it isn't screwed in, its freaking crammed into the receiver by a machine, and also the trigger guard, its part of the stock!!!!, the trigger guard ona Savage is a separate piece, want me to go on? |
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Those groups arn't very good, and you should quit posting them.
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The barrel is hydraulically pressed into the receiver. So? I'll never shoot any rifle enough that I need to replace the barrel. There are higher quality European rifles that use this same technique.
The trigger guard is molded into the stock. So? Never heard of this being a big deal until the nit-pickers had to find something to not like about it. Compared to the group in the center, what practical difference is there to a group that puts 5 shots touching each other? |
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