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The cabin room for the Ridgeline is within a few cubic inches of the quad-cab Tundra and F-150. Not bad for a "small" pickup.:) I have no other regular needs for a pick-up except for hunting, so I wasn't going to spend big bucks on a full-size truck, not to mention the ride of the Ridgeline blows away any other pickup on the road.

Sorta the flip-side to why I bought a 710.....I drive every day....I only get to hunt a couple weeks total out of the year. No need to drop $500+ on a rifle that won't get used enough to justify the expense.

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I am not talking about the passengercompartment,I am talking about the box dimensions.I can fit two moose or two elk and a couple of deer in a 6-1/2' box,but that isn't going to happen with atiny 5' longbox that is also much narrower .By the way,the 2007 tundra is a larger truck than the 2006 model.

However if you want to compare interior volume the nissan titan crewhas 125 cubic feet to the ridgelines 112 cubic feet,a difference of 13 cubic feet.



The ridgeline is more like a smaller avalanche than a truck.Coincidently the avalanche also rides very smooth.

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Why not shell out $50 more for a 700 package with the same scope!?!?! The 710 feels like an Air-Soft! I consider myself a Remington junkie and would not ever look at one of those 710's ever again.

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Well I guess that I am lucky that I didnt end up with one of the "recall" guns. I have shot close to 200 rounds through my 710 so far and havent had any problems with it so far. It is still tight and doesnt jamb up or anything so I guess that I am the exception to the rule around here witht he Remington 710 POS guns lol. ;) I do know one thing though, after packing that gun in the rain for several hours my hands where cramped up really bad from trying to keep a grip on that plastic stock. That is mainly what prompted me to pick up the Winchester model 670 in .270 caliber this past weekend. The stock on the winnie is much more comforatable to keep a handle on.

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$50 more????? You're kidding. When I was shopping for my rifle, the next step up from the 710 was 700 with a synthetic stock (ADL?) WITHOUT a scope. There wasn't a package 700. The 700 ADL was $450 at Wal-mart. Tack on at least $50 for just a cheap scope and the total is over $500, a 65%+ jump in price (I got my 710 package for $300).

There may very well be 700 scope/rifle package, but I haven't ever seen one advertised or run across one in a store. I know I never ran across such a setup 2 years ago when I was shopping. [&:]

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lets see if i can put this into perspective.... the difference between a navigator and an excursion... is a few pieces of plastic... and a price tag.. kinda like puttin fancy wood on a gun... big whoop.. status symbol...

gotta look at the materials and engineering that go into things... the 700's may not be a lexus, BMW or mercedes (leave taht to the likes of Dakota, etc) but they pretty much are a silverado duramax... if that is what you want to get down to... so goin from the 710 to the 700 is kinda like going from a 2wd ranger to that duramax....

i am just absolutely tired of hearing people whine who cheap out and buy a 300 dollar gun, then when it has issues, breaks or fails to function or they are not happy with it (eventhough it shoots straight)... it's meant for a purpose.. it gets the job done for a finite amount of time and really not in much style... but won't stand up to the abuse or give the longevity a better level of firearm possesses. basically.. don't try to tell me your 2wd ranger has no issue offroading in the mud and will do a better job at it than a real truck...

now if you want to step up i have a brand new 700 CDL chambered in 35 Whelen for sale LOL...

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Honda Ridgeline ,sounds like an ATV or something..haha.you say it cost more money up front than our big chevys and fords,man that must be some kind of honda.

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It is actually a well made vehicle,but it is just too small to be of any use to someone that actually needs a truck.

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Well, with all the rebates and stuff on Fords and Chevys at the time, the Ridgeline was a couple grand more. At sticker price, it was less or equal. I just had to drop $1500+ to get a used transfer case put in our '98 Suburban (123k miles), so now I'm really happy I went with the Honda instead of the Chevy.

Depends on what you consider "small". I needed a quad cab, so I'm comparing against the 5-5.5 foot beds of Silverados and F-150s with 4 doors to the Ridgeline. Difference in length is about 9"....really insignificant.

At one point I was going to buy a Titan, but when gas was @ $3/gallon, I decided there was really no point in buying a big, fat V8 truck when I had nothing to tow that required that kind of power. Cabin might be a bit bigger, but the rear brake problems on the Titan caused me to look elsewhere. Really came down to a used Silverado or a Ridgeline.

Rootsy, as for the 710, I'm glad Remington makes them. They probably are too, because if I had had to put out $500+ on a rifle and scope setup, I wouldn't have bought a new rifle and they wouldn't have made some money off my purchase. My 710 has not had issues, failed to function or break. My hunting at this time does not require it to withstand much abuse. It takes a 45 minute ride in the truck from home to the area I hunt. Another 150 yards to walk to the treestand and then sits in a treestand for a few hours. With shots not over 50-60 yards in my current position, I sometimes wonder why I even spent that much money on a rifle. Probably just should have bought a used .30-30 with open sights for $150 at the pawn shop.

My point is that for my needs, the 710 does what I require. I don't care to spend a large sum of money ($500+) on a rifle. I might get to pull the trigger 3 or 4 time a year while hunting with my 710. Would like for it to be more than that, but the freezer can only hold so much venison. Some of you guys can hunt in a couple of seasons more than I will be able to do in a dozen years, so I'd rather get a "cheap" rifle for my hunting needs and direct my financial resources where I an get a better "return-on-investment".

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Plus the so called box on the ridgeline ends just past the wheelwells widthsoyou also losethe room in front of, behind,and overthe wheelwells that you havein real trucks.The overal cargo volume is significantly smaller.

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hE MAY BE HAPPY WITH HIS LITTLE HONDA NOW.BUT WAIT TILL ITS RESALE TIME OR TRADE IN .tHATS WHEN YOUR FEELINGS WILL GET HURT.

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I've been wondering, why do you always post with your caps-lock on?

Yeah, he'll wish he got an SPS, that's the real Cadillac!

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Hehe....that's a joke, right? Be the first time a Honda depreciates more than a "domestic" vehicle. Somewhat of a moot point, though. I bought the Honda because I wanted something I could realistically expect to get 200,000+ miles or 10+ years and keep on truckin'. Probably by that time, I will have spent hundreds if not a few grand less on repairs that I would have with a Silverado or F-150. Had a GMC full-size van that was great and didn't do much other than replace the starter on it a couple of times (150k). Our Suburban's (basis of the Silverado) tranny has already been rebuilt and had the transfer case replaced recently (123k miles). :(


Magman, what makes the Savage "feel" like it's not going to break from you holding it? Somehow I doubt the "feel" of a 710 is much different than a Savage 110 (the package gun at the time I bought my 710). I found the rounded forearm of the 710 much more pleasant to hold than the squared-off one of the 110. Even though the Savages are known to be accurate out of the box, I doubt there would be any practical difference in accuracy. My 710 shoots well below 2" groups @ 100 yards with some Federal ammo.

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Well, I wish you'd post a thread on "How to Tell a Good Gun by Feel". Might have swayed me to buy a Savage instead of the Remington if I'd found something like that to read before I bought. Weight? Balance? Does the color of the plastic stock make a difference? What "felt" so right about the Savage vs the Remington? I believe the plastic stock on the Savage was checkered whereas the Remington was not. Does that make it a better gun?

I did almost all my research when shopping for a rifle on the internet. If you're going to help someone who wants to buy a rifle, USEFUL information is much more helpful than subjective "touchy-feely" stuff. Most of what I read about the 710 was a bunch of crap about how it "felt like a toy" or "felt cheap". Of course, there were no explanations about how the 710's feel was soooo much more inferior to the often-recommended Savage 110s/111s. What makes the Savage "feel" better than the Remington?

Other than Savage's reputation for accuracy, there was almost no other useful information. Some did manage to post that the 710's bolt took more effort to close than the Savage. Some complained about the 710 having a pressed barrel instead of a threaded barrel, but I can't imagine ever shooting enough to wear the thing out, so that wasn't an issue for me. Some complained about the lack of an all-steel receiver (my 710 has the nylon insert in the receiver - can't see that a steel one would make a difference...one less part to rust). One or two claimed to have shot a 710 that broke within a few dozen shots.

As for me, I was willing to accept the trade-off of the extra effort to close the bolt in order to get the detachable magazine, which the Savage package gun did not offer at that time (2004), nor did the package gun have the acclaimed AccuTrigger.

As for accuracy, here's what I got with some Federal 150gr Sierra Game King ammo @ 100 yards. I was running out of time, so after this group, I just tweaked the scope and packed up instead of trying to get punch the center of the target with another group. Rem 710 - Fed 150gr Sierra Game King ammo @ 100 yards

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Look, one of the things that is most important in a gun is "is the person comforable with the gun" I frankly don't like the way the 710 feels, because, yes, it does feel like a toy. IMO, I think a gunshouldn't feel like a toy, because I won't to maintain a level of safety, and I don't want to think my gun is a toy, I want to be wary and reminded of the fact that it is a weapon, and one of the deadliest ever made by man, and when you take a gun that feels like a toy, it almost seems to take away a sense of responsibility that is involved in the sport of hunting. I want to be reminded that in my hands rests the only reason there are hunting accidents, and that you have the solemn responsibility to wield it in a safe, resonsible manner, and to use it to bring the animal as little pain as possible. If my gun feels like a toy, I can't be reminded or feel that.
If you can hunt with a gun that feels like a toy, then good for you; I won't, and I know plenty of others that won't, because I'm not comfortable with the way it feels, anyone who's considering buying a gun should hold it in a number of positions, check the action, and other things that will greatly impact the guy'sfunctionality andpridewith his rifle.
JMHO.

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Well, younggun243, that's fine, but I'm still curious as to WHY the 710 "feels" like a toy and the equivalent Savage supposedly does not. Both have synthetic stocks and inexpensive scopes, so it can't be one of those two issues. Both have steel barrels and receivers. I find it a weak argument - if you can even call it that - to say that the 710 feels like a toy and thus would make one complacent in handling the firearm. I've got a Walther P22 pistol that feels like a toy due its size, but it doesn't mean I'm going to handle it like one.

I find it interesting that so much bad can be tossed out about the Rem 710 and yet the equivalent Savage doesn't seem to get blasted as "feeling like a toy" or "felt cheap", etc., etc. I may have to run over to the Sportsman's Warehouse and do my own "in-store" test. May just see what those guys over there "recommend" between the two. [8D]

As for a guy's pride in this rifle - well, I suppose a guy could be proud of a rifle, but for me that's about like saying that I'm proud of my screwdriver set or my power drill. It's a tool to get a job done, not an extension of my ego.

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The "flyers" to which you refer are two other brands/weights of ammo shot at the two targets at the top.

I didn't say a gun shouldn't be like an extension of the shooter. I said it's not an extension of my ego. I never made any claims to be a crack shot. My whopping grand total of deer in my short hunting life (this will be season #6) is 5, yes 5. All of them shot at under 50 yards, so I don't see the return-on-investment of shooting several hundred rounds to do what? Practice trick shots of shooting between tree limbs @ 35 yards? I do believe I also stated in a previous post that I was limited in the amount of time I get to spend hunting each year, and so the 710 - or one in that price range - was a logical choice for me to make. I've got two neighbors who have much nicer rifles than mine - one has a Browning A-bolt and the other has a stainless Remington 700, but they don't hunt as much as I do. What good does that nice rifle do them?

And besides, none of this has anything to do with the "argument". I haven't even taken issue with the idea that the equivalent Savage is a great rifle. I've just asked for someone to explain WHY the 710 is junk and the same-priced Savage is so great. I just jumped in because I have a 710, used it for 3 seasons so far and it's performed fine. I have no reason to say it wouldn't serve someone else that doesn't need a high-dollar rifle just as well.

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Buddy, we are in pretty much the same boat. I am a father of 3 and dont make an awful lot of money and last year I needed a gun that fit me and my wallet. I have had 2 shoulder surgeries and the rifles that I had at the time (an old sprinfield 30.06 military rifle and a stevens 30.30 with messed up open sites) just wherent fitting me or working out for me so I traded those in on the 710 in .270 caliber and have been very happy with my trade. The .270 doesnt kick as hard as the 30.06 did and is much more comforatable to shoot for me. I am probably going to trade it to my son now for his Marlin 30-30 lever action since I upgraded myself to the model 670 in .270, a bit nicer gun for myself. I am glad to hear though that I am not the only one who has had good luck with my model 710. I know that I did read an awful lot of reviews before I made my decision to get a 710. I read that they shoot great and that although the bolt is of pretty cheap grade that it was reliable. But now a year later I am reading things on this forum contrary to that. Lol, a guy just cannot win.

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If you want quality, look around. Mossberg's ATR has a very smooth action, and it comes in .270! They have a good quality for a cheap rifle, and it's the same with their shotguns(not over/under those are always expensive, but a pump is dirt cheap if it's been used, and very high quality.). Savage is also cheap, isn't it? A used model 700 SPS can be bought for under $250! Why buy the new piece of crap 710 for $300,
when you can buya usedmodel 700 SPS for $250, which hasa larger selection of calibers?

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I wish I had read this forum before I bought my 710. I was looking for a cheap alternative to my 30+ year old 30-30 and ended up buying the "saturday night special" of hunting rifles. I got it out of the box and noticed that unlike the model I had examined in the store, my action was incredibly un-smooth. There will be no second shot attempts with this gun. Not to mention that after this one handling, I place my rifle in the corner near my gun cabinet to be broken down and cleaned. Only three days later, there is enough rust on the bolt I thought I would need a tetanus shot before I handled it again. I find this unacceptable...I have a sixty year old Mosin-Nagant milsurp rifle I bought over a month ago, that is in better condition than a brand new rifle right out of the box....Sad...nr

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I doubt you'll find that Remington had this as one of the design requirements for the 710. If I shot 500 rounds a year, I could justify tossing out more money for a nicer rifle, but since I shoot what you would consider only a "few boxes a year", then I saw no benefit in a high-dollar rifle collecting dust most of the year.

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Well, my 710 has put meat on the table again. My son shot his deer with my 710 tonight. It might be a cheap piece of crap, but after shooting all of my guns today, the "cheap piece of crap" still outshoots all of my other more expensive higher quality guns and was the gun of choice for my son tonight.

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Why do you keep telling us not to show up at your deer hunting camp? And what would be so bad about somebody showing up at your camp with a 710? Is it not flashy enough for you? Are you guys modeling your guns up there or something? And how does your deer hunting camp have anything to do with this thread anyways? The thread was started to get the opinion of the gun and well, my 710 has been a good one and that does have something to do with the thread. And my son being able to get a deer with the gun is pretty much why they made the gun isnt it? Geez, I have tried to stay the debate in this thread because I do realize that the 710 isnt the flashiest or highest quality of gun. I realized that when I bought it. But the gun is and has been of good enough quality to put meat on the table without breaking the bank. It is not a gun that I would take on a 20 mile elk hunt hike, and it is not a gun that I would rely on to go big game hunting. But it is a good enough gun to do exactly what I bought it for and that is shooting a deer at ranges up to 100 yards, which it has done well for 2 years in a row now. Works for me. Just dont expect me to show up at your deer camp with it, lol. [8D]

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MM, give it a break! I agree with you, I just bought a Savage and I am completely impressed. Haven't had a chance to shoot yet, but I am expecting good things. I truly think this rifle will be around 60 years from now and one of my kids or grandkids will be shooting it. After handling the 710, I wouldn't say the same for it.

But..........if someone wants to buy one, more power to them. Are they ethical hunters? Are they safe hunters? Are they trying to pass these things down to their kids, or the neighbors kids for that matter? Now these are the things that matter, not what gun they shoot.

And frankly, I wouldn't show up in you deer camp for fear that my POS boots might get meran right out of camp.

Seriously, why would you tell someone to "Rot in Hell", because they think/reason a little different than you.

By the way, 560 posts in a month, that's almost averaging 20 posts a day. You need to get off the puter and do some shootin. Maybe get rid of some of that unnecessary hate.:)

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560 posts in a month, lol, get a life.

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I am very sorry for the loss of your friend. I am sure everyone here feels the same way.

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Geez, "Rot in Hell"? And 500+ posts in a month? How do you even have time to have a "Deer Camp" if you are on the computer all the time? I am truly sorry for your friend and I wish the best for his family. And you know something? If I the Savage had been available in my area when I purchased my Remington 710 then I may have bought one of those instead, but it wasnt and honestly after looking at one last weekend and holding it up to my shoulder that has been operated on twice the Savage just doesnt fit me. I bought what worked for me and am glad that I have one of the good ones. It just seems that there are a few lemons out there and these forums are exploiting that fact. Magnum Man, cant you just be happy that a few of us have not had problems with our POS 710's?

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I would never consider using a Savage under normal circumstances. If I was forced to choose between a Savage and a Remington 710, I'd cry as I walked away with the Savage.