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Came in here yesterday just to see and ended up meeting some good people(kind of:)).One thing that did happen while on here,a member got me riled up enough to get my dig camera hooked up and working,been wanting to do it for yrs,now I can(kind of).THANKS.....
Yes there are members that want to rile up others and they think its funny,but if you dont know them you can do alot of hurt.Anyway people that try to get me upset realy dont succeed.Its like that pimple on your arss,if you leave it alone it will go away,but if you pick it,it just keeps comming back.
Yep.Yesterday was nice............

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:D:D:D:D

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Well I am just glad to see GrumpyTom come back and keep posting his opinion in what I calledbefore and intelligent manner that makes us all get along. When I first seen this the other day I thought to myself this was posted as a flame starter and is going to get ugly. But posting with "intelligent" interjection is hard to turn sour in my opinion. Thanks for coming back and helping keeping things civil Tom and not watching this one go south, welcome to the CB forum and look forward to having more people like you and ranger that are capable of discussing with out sounding like a school kid wetting his pants like others like to do.

Good post Dan, you hit the new troll definition on the head also! I laughed when I read it, it is fitting really well. The best thing I think we have learned on this is to ignore like we are currently doing and it will either go away or froth at the mouth to the point where is chokes to death on its own doings!

Its all to do with the ability to get along with the post intent. The last good one I can think of was the one I had about feeding deer. When I first posted my intent was to feed corn and maybe a mix of corn and sweet feed mix for the deer. But Don, Reb and a few others opened up into good debate and posted lots of links and facts, along with experience. In the end I learned about Purina, which I never new made the deer products. Learned about how deer digest foods from someone who raised a similar animal, and someone who went to school for it too. Now I have no intentions of using the sweet feed mix and very little corn. If overtime at work permits, will just buy Purina if I can, but will mix with good info I got on here. This was all done in a civil thread by people that respect each other and understand the desire to get along. That thread was proof if you post with respect, give it back to people that know there stuff and don't blow someone off in a public fashion it's a good time in the end. I don't think I said it before, but welcome to the forum GrumpyTom and Ranger! We need more people that can post with intelligence!

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I may have to put on the dunce hat after this, but what is a "dig camera"?

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so do you guys think there has ever been anyone other than Trolls attacked on the forum???

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I think its always trolls. Whether they are trolling a method or weapon, or trolling to cause and get self pity or cause turmoil among people, either way, they are a TROLL!!!!!!!!!

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so then I can take it I am considered a Troll?? wow thats nice to know.. thanks.. it explains a lot..

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I never said your name Henry, but if your gut tells you other wise then that is you speaking in public about it and not me, sorry. You posted four times in this thread trying to stir attention or pity your way, the fifth time it worked for me, I guess I am weak.

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Actually I guess I must have gotten something different from the original post than some of you did ,, I have seen people other than trolls attacked on this forum, and have been on the receiving end of these attacks just because some did not agree with my opinions or my way of getting info, and because I was not always willing to accept what some had to say when I didn't think they were right, there are a few key players on this forum and as long as you do not cross them things will be honky dorey if you cross one of them all will jump in..
respond as you wish to this I know it to be true.. as some have left the forum some have come back.. some after things that happened here probably never will but are active members on other crossbow forums .
and not so long ago even a moderator on this site stated he was done with this forum..

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If you are trying to educate people to the truths of crossbows and their ability, then it does not matter if they are a troll or not, you should not attack them personally. Totally ignoring them is not really a good idea either, but rebut their comments with calm, truthful statements.

I nolonger have the documents (e-mails) to support this, but a while back, there was a State that was fighting to include crossbows. You know the anti-crossbow groups linked to fight against it. Well, one of the government personal, went to the forums to gather evidence on his own. He came to the realization that because the crossbow users were able to calmly debate and provide data to support claims and one person in particular who was against crossbows, but only was able to try to slam them, had no creditability and was not allowed to even speak at the meeting unless you could back up his statements with PROVEN FACTS. Now more and more States are learning that the anti's are not as forthcoming as they try to make you believe. Believe me, even in Canada, changes are coming because it is against the Canadian Disability act to not allow crossbows for the disabled. But to only allow the disabled to use crossbows, that is DISCRIMINATION because it singles out the person with the disability. Changes are coming.

You see, even though we are in this forum, we need to hold ourselves to the highest level of scrunity just to prove that we are NOT the BIG BAD GUY. It is forums like this which will give us our credability or lead people to believe the false claims that we are only uneithical slob hunters that the anti's claim.

Why I started this thread, was not the strict attack on a troll but a few different threads which had personal comments dirrected at a member. Since this memberr felt they were under attack, they attacked back in self defence, then was ganged up on by others. The first comment might not have been ment in the mannor at which it came across, but it did start a fued. We need to stop these comments right away, befoe they can ballon out of control. From what I read on this thread, I think some mistake opinions for troll statements. Just because it is a comment that you do not agree with, does not mean it is a troll comment. You should always keep an open mind to new ideas, this is how we learn.

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You started a good thread Tom. I took it in response to the way we jumped all over the guy in the why is it illegal thread. If all of us looked back we would have to admit that we as sportsmen do not like treating other sportsmen that way. We just have an easy button that we most generally lose control of, at lest I do at times when it is pushed. We try to do better, but it's good checks like this thread that can make us look back and maybe reflect a little.

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Call me a troll if you want,but I do it to find convertation that I want to read,learn from.I do not attack when I do this I do it to learn.
I have learned alot about crossbows from this forum,so hopefully when you see me pop-up you will know what Iam doing,LEARNING......Not looking to slam someone......

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I for one am glad someone has had the guts to come onto the forum and talk about something that has been going on since the beginning and that it is coming from someone that is received as a credible source because if it had come form Joe Nobody they would have been blown off as having a pity party or being thin skinned and such.. I think some do not even realize it is going on and that they have even participated,

I have no clue as to whom G.T. is talking or referring but I do know what it is like to be on the receiving end of this and was close to leaving the forum myself even broke down and got a spell-checker just to satisfy some, and do not post as much as I used to and do not share much info as I have been told flat out by some members that my info would not be taken seriously. I do not even talk about the crossbow that I am passionate about because it is not what most of the forum members use, and have even had info I provided about it disputed because an on line vendor offered info that was not the same as the info I provided and knew to be true, it was decided that I was the mistaken one because of the name of the on line vendor they must be right. and have also been called a fence rider because I will not make a choice between 2 brands of crossbows because I feel they are both great crossbows, was even told I should sell my one crossbow and go to work for a certain manufacturer, because of the way I went about getting info, whats it matter how someone gets their info why should that matter as long as it is legal?? does this type of stuff hurt a person and have lastingeffect even though it is just a forum what do you think...
their are 4 key players that I see on this forum and this will not go over well but they remind me a lot of the guys on the Excal forum, do not disagree with them or else.. I truly hope that since this has come from an acceptable source that everyone will try to think more about what they post and the effect it may have..

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Ranger you are far from a troll.

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Ive never concidered myself a troll,but one persons idea of a troll can differ from another persons idea.

Htoler...I realy do not pay attention to ones spelling or use of ones grammer.As Ive stated before one's got to know the book before they can be judge and jury....As long as one can get there point or question across I dont think its relivent how they spell or speek.
Iam a good example of that.......Besides if it gets to you they have done what there little self-impossed mind has set out to do....Pee u off...
Iam starting to keep track of the ones that start things so I can avoid there little games....
BUT a good rubin once in awhile dosnt hurt......Once again I am a good example of that......;):D

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Don't carewhat they say! Anybody who likes Hot Rods and Crossbows, is a friend of mine!:)

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The way I look at it is...This..Ive shot compound for 23yrs,I own three.A browning and two Mathews a outback and switchback.I got into Recurve last year and will hunt with that this year for the challange.Ive bought 2 recurves and a longbow.Thats what I shoot now...OK....Ive been interested in crossbow for some years now,and would like to buy one.The only thing wrong is I do not know poop about them and I cant use one here to hunt with(yet) but it dosnt stop me from wanting to buy a good one and learn to handle and shoot it.And when we or if we get to use one I will be ready....Not unless(God forbid)I become disabled,then I can use it....
So I will be asking questions in the future.....
Maybe someone will try to upset me on this BB and youll see me fire back,but for now I will just be the passive guy I am;):).

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Ranger, I do have a disability and have been checking all crossbows and gathering all the info I possibly can. Been doing this for almost a year now. Ihave learned many things on the forum from these guys.

Ihunted Hogs with Dogs for 42yrs (1952-1957)Military time interval and then (1965-2002)and went to Gun TreeStand hunting Deer in 2002. I had many friends that hunted Archery and I would sit and talk with them for many hours about archery hunting, but I havenever Shot orOwned any kind of a bow. I have a safe with 47 Long Guns......Rifles, Shotguns and Muzzle Loaders.

Hopefully I will convince the doctor to let me go this coming season!!:)With a crossbow of course!!!

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I had my C5 & C6 cervical disc removed and fused a few yrs back.I do have alittle trouble drawing my compounds and recurves but Iam hopeing that I can keep doing it,as the yrs go on it gets harder to do,my right arm,thumb,pointer and middle finger are still numb do to my neck injury.Now you know why I have a intrest in crossbows.
I go to the Doc in two weeks for a complete physical and Iam going to ask about my neck,arm and hand.Iam only 46 and have a feeling that by the time I hit 50 I wont be able to use my compound,recurve orlongbow.
I have 7 long guns,2 shotgunsand 8 handguns but I perfure shooting arrows at deer.
I posted a question on the right forum now so this one can stay on topic.

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Digital Camera

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I disagree to disagree to agree and ferther more i do disagree! Now am i allowed to troll fer Troll's or or do i have to use artifisual baits? Can my bait be live? Hehehe! [:o][:-]:D

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My bad. When he said he had been wanting to get it working for years I figured he meant something else since the digital camera have only been popular for the last two or three years. I assumed he had something really old.

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I got my 1st digital camera(Vivitar 2700 vivicam)81/2 yrs ago.Ive got 6 pics on it and thats it.I bought a Kodak CX7340 with Dock 3yrs ago.And know Ive finaly kinda figured out how to use it with my laptop.
It must be a Behavior type thing.....:D

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Was the vivitar a trail camera or just a regular hand held camera? I did not realize they made digital trail camerasthat long ago. Digital is definitely the way to go now days. We bought a Canon Rebel a few months back and it is about the best digital I have used to date.

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Gosh Jason, I bought my Sony 707 over 7yrs ago.:)

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Of course seven years ago I was still honeymooning and not spending much money on hunting at all! I don't even think I was on cabelas mailing list then![&o]

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Yep,got it at walmart.I think I paid 480 or so.Its like comparing a VHS camcorder to a 8mm recorder....Takes 4 AA batteries and holds 52 pics...

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i dont use crossbow but i do sight them in for others they are having problems and no time to correct them..

here is what i see on crossbows..

most of the shooters at our archery club use a compound or ,like me, recurve..

when i take those crossbows to shoot, many hate me..

why, becasue its easier to shoot for person that does not practice with compound or have time..

notice i said EASIER..it is with scope and how accurate they are..

now, i was surprised on the HATE for crossbow user, so, ole sproul had to INTERVIEW,you know me,ha to get at TRUTH..

well, TRUTH is, those archery hunters DONT WANT more hunters in woods in ARCHERY SEASON..by using crossbow, many new hunters will be out after same buck they are after..do to lack of deer here in pa, this is their worry..

now, when we get like 60 or so, most dont hunt anymore with bow..with CROSSBOW us older farts will be out in woods hunting archery..

MOST i talk to dont want crossbows because thats MORE hunters in archery..that is TRUE..

now, i will tell you why i dont like CROSSBOW..most i see using them DONT PRACTICE..they make shots at 50 yds,take them out 1 time a year to practice..i saw gang last year with all crossbows..they were DRIVING deer too, you believe that..

these misguided hunters think crossbow is rifle..i am finding bolts laying in woods ..

then you hear stories of park ranger picking up 18 bolts in the park in no hunting areas..

are they being used for POACHING..you BET they are!!

now, all this taken inton consideration,hunters that dont want MORE hunters in woods and poachers new weapon..

croosbows were always used to POACH..heck, i heard stories at work 25 years ago of 1 guy who got 100 deer with crossbow, they finally caught him..his answer was, well, i shot 100 and only pinched for 1,cost him 100 dollars..

sorry got off track..most of hate i hear is because BUBBA is now going out archery hunting and has new toy..ARCHERY HUNTERS dont want more BUBBAS out trying to get their buck..

i said this would happen when deer became less..my fear is that you are going to see MORE hunters at each others throats in near future..

it happened to me this year and i expect more of it in future..

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Sproulman: Some good points for sure, but gotta take exception to a few things. 1st off, being 60 yrs old this month,I learned along time ago there's a bozo on every bus. 2nd off, there was some statistics posted somewhere about how the Ohio Fish and Game [Arkansas name, not sure what Oh calls em] had just about an equal number of poaching violations between the vert crowd and the xbowers. I hate to see xbow poaching posts, because although there may be a few bozos on the xbow bus, it really makes the whole fleet look bad, and is one of the main arguements for the anti xbow crowd. It's easier to get last years taxes back that it is to shoot an xbow from a vehicle. I know that part of what you were saying about people hunting in a no hunting area is no doubt true. I myself have done this. Back in the late 70's early 80's times were hard. One thing about having a family, they get hungry whether you have a paycheck every week or not. As far as some bozo taking 100 deer w/ anything, that's truly a shame. We all know someone some where has poached a deer or more w/ alot of different equipment, just hate to see xbows labeled that way.

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Ole Sproulman, youns should check your pants, that bug might be poisonous! LOL! Dig deep!

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Sproulman, I have to take offence to some of your comments. I also agree with some of them like that it is easier to learn to shoot. In otherwords, you get efficent quicker, but you still need to practice. I have actually seen hunters going into a local sporting goods store, purchase a compound to go hunting the next day. From his questions to the salesman, got me to wondering how knowledgable this individual was so I asked a few questions. This hunter had neverr shot a compound before, but he was going hunting the next day. I guess what I am saying is to hold the hunter, not the hunting tool acountable for the actions. Yes you might get a hunter go out the day before, or maybe the week before and purchase a crossbow to dtart hunting with. But they can and will do the same thing with the compound.

Your comments about 50-60 yard shots with crossbows, that they think that they are rifles, well I have for over 5 years tried to teach responsibility in the use of crossbows. The ANTI-CROSSBOW groups have for years claimed that crossbows are effective out to 100 yards and shoot like a rifle, so why would the people not believe that. Crossbow users are not making those claims, they have for years tried to correct the incorrect statements mad by the ANIT's. Again, I have had salesmen tell me that they, on a regular basis take deerr out to 60-70 yards with their compounds. Again, hold the user, not the hunting tool acountable for the users actions.

As for using crossbows as a POACHING TOOL, yes some probually will use it, but these users are not the smart ones and will get caught. Crossbows are not even a good choice for poaching. They are difficult to get a second shot, make most noise of the archery family and have the same range as the compound. It was a few years ago I read a report (sory, but I forget were it was from, but it was a State Agency) about poaching and they listed the 22 rifle as the weapon of choice for the poachers. I believe that it was an extreemly high precentage of poachers which choose the 22 rifle.

As I stated in that posted you quoted, yes crossbws do have some advantages over the compound, but the compound does have some advantages over the crossbows when compared to the longbow or recurve. You comments on triggers, scopes ectera ......... well do they not sell scopes, range finders, triggers, laser sights, holo sites, for the ccompound. In fact, is there not a compound bow on the market which is 99% letoff, which when at full draw, just the weight of the bow (when hanging down) will keep it at full draw with no strength needed fro the shooter.

Come on ........ trash hunters will always be trash hunters no matter what hunting tool that they choose to use. Hold people acountable for their actions, not the hunting tool.

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Well saidTOM!

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Grumpy Tom meets Grumpy Spoulman!
GT, Ole Spoule is just having a gumpy day and is spewing. He doesn't mean any harm. He's venting and maybe mis-stating his case. But he still deserves a spanking! So put him in the barrel! Maybe you can convince him to edit his post!

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i can edit it,if you want..not grumpy only stating TRUTH of what i hear and see..again, i am not knocking crossbow, i may use 1 soon myself..


22 cal is poachers choice with crossbow being choice near homes and parks..

dont vent on me, vent on the hunters that dont want more archery hunters in woods..or vet on real problem,DCNR

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Ole Sproule, the 22 IS the weapon of choice of poachers. There is no serial stories of crossbows used in poaching in my part of the woods and thats big. I have never heard of a crossbow being used for poaching here.

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But I have heard of Long Bows, Recurves and Compounds!!!!![:@]And with a Light. Look on the Hog Forum and see the lights for these bows!

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Sproulman I was not venting on you. What I took offence to was your comments, I felt that they would have mislead some that did not know much about crossbows. Just about everything you have said against the crossbow could be applied to the compound as well. There are compound hunters that do not practice very much, nor are they proficient with their weapon of choice. Some will take extreemly long shots, which I think is not eithical. Some poachers use compounds. You see, it is not the weapon of choice, but the person that is useing it.

When you stated that poachers use the 22 rifle, but crossbows only near parks is incorrect. That artical, I do remember because it caught my attenton, made a point to say that 22 rifles were the choice because of the accuracy, range and not much noise made when being fired. This was in all areas, espically near homes and parks because with one shot you would not be able to tell where it was and the animal would have less of a chance to alude or too have to be chased. They would want a drop on the spot kill, not a chance for it to travel into an unwanted area.

Crossbows make alot of noise when being fired, some have even compared them to the 22 rifle, but I honestly think that is a far stretch myself.