RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Sure, I bet you will..........[8D]:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

So handicap people cannot enjoy archery season in NH ? Kids and women too weak to pull whatever legal poundage NH has is SOL ?



Exactly the same way ? Recurves are shot with mechanical releases ? Recures have 80% letoff ? Exaclty the same way ? Recurve have wheels/cams and drop away rest ? Compounds shoot wood "arrows" ?

Yeah, LOL, I didn't think you meant "EXACTLY" did you ?

A very "stupid" statement if you know anything about sighting in any weapon. Just because you shoot a given rifle point blank on doesn't mean I will. Everyone knows that.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

MA Jay - are you sure NH don't allow crossbows be handicap people ??

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

So basically anyone that doesn't hunt the same way that you do and that doesn't share your same convictions is a slob hunters?[:'(]:([&:] I would laugh aat that comment if wasn't so sad:(

Well you have made it obvious that you consider someone that shoots a crossbow to be an undesireable so that kind of took the guesswork out of it for me?

I am not shoving anything. I am the one that thinks people should have the right to choose, not to be forced one way or the either. I don't think I have the right to impose my views on others unlike you. So again who is causinhg the devision? That's right, it's you. That's a stretch even for your twisted "logic".

Yea it's all a big conspiracy theory:eek: rotflmao

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

NH does allow crossbow's for handicapped people .. they just can use them in the Firearms season.

Why can't women and youth archey hunt again??? They are to weak to draw back a bow? Well, in order to hunt with archery equipment it requires practice to become proficient with a bow. With practice, muscles are developed and with proper form very small framed people, women and children even , will develop the strength and skills neccessary to kill cleanly with a bow. In order to hunt archery, unlike with crossbows, there is no very simple answer if you "can't" do it. You must put the time in to become proficient, and if that means working on building strength and form .. then yes, I am saying small children and some weaker women will have to put in some effort to archery hunt.

As far as the handicapped.... I have thought about this a lot. I wouldn't want a true archer to miss out on archery season. It is ok, in my opinion, to expect if you don't shoot with archery equipment, that being a bow and arrow, you don't get to hunt during archery season. If a person only gun hunts, but want to hunt during muzzleloader seaosn, well guess what .. that person needs to go out and buy a muzzleloader .. or borrow one, but shooting a different, but similar in characteristics weapon isn't an option. Back to the handicapped .. well, they have options. If it is a shoulder or arm issue .. try this-

Now if the person is restrained to a wheelchair-


I guess my point is, the disabled have options. If it came down to their handicap being so challenging that no type of archery equipment was an option .. I'd say that person probably shouldn't be hunting archery. Waiting till gun season is their option. If they want to enjoy the woods, but are so disabled they can't shoot a bow like the woman above with only one arm and no legs .. then they can get out into the woods and scout in their motorized wheelchair for gun season.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

MAJay I guess that's pretty easy for you to say since you are not in that situation. But I have to admit I can't understand how someone that loves hunting as much as I do would want to make it so difficult for someone else to be able to enjoy it. I, unlike you, would bend over backwards to not only bring people into the sport but also to make is as easy as possible for them to have access to it. I think disabled people have had some tough brakes and it's time that they were given some help in order to make their goals more easily obtainable. I find it very disturbing that people like you want to make it so difficult for people to get out and enjoy the beauty and majesty that is hunting.
You must have some serious self esteem issues (and with your attitude it's no wonder). I can't imagine any grown able bodied man begrudging a handicapped person access to a crossbow. I will admit that you are one of the greedier, more cold hearted, and self centered people that I have ever had the disfortune to run across.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

MA Jay - I can't remember who that guy is ?? But why is he taking the easy way out and shooting a compound ? The gal in the second picture is taking on a much greater challenge, isn't she ? The first guy just needs to put more time and effort into it, wouldn't you say ? And hey .......... you compodun hunt, right ? Why ? Why don't you use a recurve ?

ON NH handicap crossbowhunting ...........

http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Hunt...essibility.htm

The Department also offers permits to people with disabilities who want to hunt using a crossbow. To qualify, you must have a permanent physical disability that prevents you from using a conventional bow or a compound bow.

For more information, contact the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department's Business/Licensing Division, 603-271-3422 or via email: [email protected].

Now just to be sure, I called that number and the gal said yes, handicap hunters CAN use crossbows in legal archery season using archery tags if they have the right forms completed and signed by a doctor to do so.


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silentassassin - he wants to make it only as tough as he himself makes it. Had he any challenge in himself at all, he'd use a drawknife, and whittle on osage staves until he made a few self bows that didn't explode while he was tillering them and hunt with them. but no ........... he chooses the easy route of the compounds. Right ?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Datamax, I hunt with a compound and a recurve and have taken quite a few deer with both.

As far as state of NH's rule -
You BLOCKHEAD... .it states that in order to hunt during "ARCHERY" season you can't be able to use a "conventional bow or a compound bow" in order to use a crossbow. So they allow you to use equipment not considered archery gear .... which backs up my point 100%, crossbows are not considered archery hunting equipment in NH. They appear to make exceptions for those unable to use archery equipment though.

Disabled people .... not perfectly able bodied hunters who want to get around the difficulty and practice necessary to hunt with a bow. As far as me being "greedy" and "cold hearted", there are more than a few on this board who know me personally. More than a few of those are guys I have helped introduce to archery, and helped in getting them access to decent hunting areas. Being considered those things from the likes of you, considering how little thought you have drafted into your responses ... I can live with it.

Does anyone feel that we have to make it so ANYBODY can hunt during archery season? If you physically can't hunt with a bow, you are an exception .. and I showed you above there are options even then. If NH allows crossbow use for the disabled during archery season, I'm 100% ok with that. As far as "Crossbow Hunting", I still believe it should be in a Crossbow Season, just like a Muzzleloader Season, if they had an over lap with Archery Season, I would be ok with it.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

MA Jay you said, and I quote


Now, I just showed you where it most certainly IS a legal archery weapon in legal archery season in NH. You have to have a permit to shoot one, but you certainly CAN use a legal crossbow in legal archery season.

I think its fair to assume that legal weapons in a given season ARE considered legal EQUIPMENT for that season ! You cannot say that crossbows are illegal weapons in archery season - they most certainly ARE legal weapons. They are legal archery EQUIPMENT if used by a handicap hunter !

Are you suggesting that NH is allowing a rifle in archery season ? A handgun ? No - they're allow a bow, a legal archery WEAPON to handicap hunters. If they didn't classify them as legal archery weapons, then why don't those handicap fellows use rifles ?

I think the answer is a definitive YES. Why ?? Look at >65% letoff compounds. Cams, dual cams, solo cams, cam and a halfs, cam and 3/4, carbons arrows, drop away rests, machined risers, carbon risers, split limbs, fiber sights, triggered releases ......... everything your little compounds luvin heart desires and why ? Marketed to YOU the compound hunter to satisfy the desire to shoot easier, faster, quicker and better without as much practice.

Tell me why you choose a compound - because it aint the challenge buddy. Its all about enhancing your chances to make a kill this fall , isn't it ? You could choose to stick with the recurve but you CHOOSE to go with a compound. Why ? Easier. Faster. Better. C'mon, I know this is true, I've been there. I went there again last November in KS. Theres no shame in admitting you chose an easier route. Heck, I chose an easier route 2 years ago when I shot another good deer in KS with my 3 piece TD longbow with carbon arrows. But it was enough challenge for ME - and I realize that what I choose, and more importantly WHY I choose doesn't apply to everyone.

So choose a compound, it won't effect my hunting at all. Choose a recurve, you'll not make a negative impaxct a single iota on archery or bowhunting season. Heck, choose a crossbow, because we know that in states where they're legal theres been no negative impact because of them, right ?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Yea you are obviously a pillar of the sport and an advocate for bowhunters rights:eek:[>:]

I am sure you are capable of thinking, it seems however that the wounded little boy inside of you, that is now big enough to stand up and fight, sometimes overshadows your ability to reason. You act like someone that was mistreated as a child and now demands that they be treated "fairly" even at the expense of others. It's OK so long as you get your way and no one is entitled to more right than you have:(