So can a compound.


You can use the same types of sites on compounds that you can on crossbows. Also, I use to know a group of guys that poached with compounds all the time. One guy drove and help the light and the other guy rode in the back with a coupound. There was eough residual light from the spotlight to see the pins on his bow and he would just set up, draw, anchor and let it fly. If someone wants to poach they are going to poach it's a simple as that.

That is again quite irrelevant and can also easily be accomplished with a compound as well. I have seen several people with flashlights for stabilizers. I believe it's quite popular in Texas where hunting hogs at night is legal. I am sorry but your arguments just don't hold water.

Guys, remember that most of these poor souls from Arkansas and Ohio have never known a bow season without the crossbow. They have absolutely no idea what they are asking us to surrender. They truly think it's NORMAL to have crossbows in bow season. The guys in Ohio truly think it's NORMAL for there to be more crossbow hunters in the woods than bowhunters during bow season.

Please... I beg you... pity them for they know not what they do. [8D]

At the same time, I do have something to say to you guys who have spent many years now, demanding ever increasing arrow speeds, higher and higher letoffs, shorter and shorter bows, trickier releases... To those of you who bellyached about Pope and Young Club's rules of fair chase to the point they caved in and left their values in the dust rather than endure even more of your hatred.... To those of you who have directed so much derision and foul words at those of us who have long been saying "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" as far as technology is concerned....

Just stand back and take an honest look at how many people now don't believe there is much difference between compounds and crossbows.

On behalf of the few who joined me in denouncing the runaway train of technology in archery, I ask you to remember these words:

I TOLD YOU SO!


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Stupid computers! I HATE TECHNOLOGY! LOL

I assume you can prove that huge "point" ?

Good post ArthurP.

I agree, if bows keep improving and advancing, the next logical step will be xbow

And I'm said to say I am one of the tecno weenies with cams, 75% letoff, mechanical releases, etc..... I think we need to fight this tooth and nail and atleast I have the satisfaction to know my state's bowhunter association is fighting it.

I lived in Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri ........... and have hunted 6-8 other states and none of them allowed crossbows in legal archery season (except if you had a permit). o again, your assumptions are incorrect.

The thing is Arthur P .... at least you recognize that compound have opened Pandora's bow - WIDE OPEN. IF you want a tricked out compound, high letoff, huge advantages all designed towards making longer shots, faster shots, BETTER shots ....... heck thats is EXACTLY what crossbows are/do ! Amazing anti-crossbow zealots cannot see this overall .




LOL ! Talk about pot calling the kettle black ! You want YOUR easy letoff, all the tricks and gadgets, YOUY want to have all your stuff to make bowhunting easier and all ......... but dammit it you'll let anyone else ! LOL ........ whoa, yah, that REALLY makes a lot of sense, doesn't it ?

Arthur, no need to pity me. I am young and healthy and have a beautiful wife and we make a very comfortable living. I travel all over hunting and and doing things that I truely enjoy and my wife supports me 100%. I have been fortunate to kill some tremendous whitetails and I have made some great friends alond the way. I am a born again Christian that believes once saved always saved, therefore my eternity is secure. So, if you are pitying me then your are wasting your time. On the other hand....................... But I won't take the conversation there.

In essence you are an archer not a bowhunter. Bowhunting is but a mere byproduct to you, of archery. That is one of the primary differnces between us. You are and archer that hunts every once in a while. I am a hunter that also enjoys archery. As a matter of fact, I would wager that at 30 years old, I have killed more deer in my life than you have in yours. You are just taking your elitist views of archery and trying to force them down the throats of others. I know you are going to try to spin that and say no I am the one forcing views but since when as giving someone a choice become forcing it downs someones throat If you don't want to shoot them then don't....................... wha la no forcing involved.

datamax, no not really, I still see a VAST difference b/t compound and xbow. Much VASTER than compound and recurve IMO. But I will admit that technology has bridged the gap. Once xbow is allowed I guarantee you that muzzleloaders will be next. It's a logical progression.

SilentAssasin- I will not debate that a compound, recurve or long bow "could" be used to kill deer outside legal shooting times, but it is not something the average bow owner can do while hunting legally. It would require pre-planning on the bow users part, such as the described incident where you know people who ride in the back of trucks with spot lights and shoot from the back, or bringing lights that attach to their archery equipment, which as I said is illegal in many states. If you have hunters using lights, such as on hog hunts, then CO and other hunters are aware of these activities and can factor them into their strategy to stop poachers. Such as knowing a guy going out for an evening archery pig hunt comes back with a deer was poaching and should be reported. Or if you see a guy in the woods with a flashlight screwed into the end of his stabilizer walking in as you are walking out of the woods, that should be reported.

Now my point and experience has shown me that ANY crossbow hunter sitting in a treestand, with a simple flashlight as almost every hunter carry’s can shoot and shoot accurately holding that flashlight on an animal within the kill radius of his crossbow. So unlike a normal, average bow hunter with the equipment 95% of archers use, when the light fades his hunt is done. That is NOT the case with a crossbow hunter, his equipment can easily be used to kill and take deer after it gets dark with the gear all hunters carry. It is providing temptation and ability to the average hunter, who if they were using archery equipment would be forced to leave their stand at the end of legal shooting hours. Now I would bet ALL bow hunters have been in a stand when that deer came in just 10 minutes to late to take an ethical and clean killing shot with their bows .... now any crossbow hunter, using a red dot scope, a crosshaired rifle type scope, open sites or using fiber optic rifle like sites can rest that crossbow on a knee, or on the shooting rail of their stand .. click on that flashlight they have in their pocket to help them out of the woods and make a clean kill. It is a fact guys... at my archery club, we all tried it on the range with one of the guy’s crossbows .. it's as easy as using a rifle for a 20 yard shot. Now all of us trying to make the same shot from the elevated stand, using our flashlights in our mouths, trying to grip them in our hands ... taping them to our stabilizers .. were unable to make a clean killing shot. It is just a fact guys.....

Now this of course doesn't mean ALL crossbow guys are poachers .. it just means that ANY crossbow hunter has the ability to be a poacher, or kill deer outside of legal shooting time with absolutely no preplanning. In my opinion it makes the weapon to great a risk and temptation to be used illegally to the average guy. The reason more deer aren't killed this way with rifles, slug guns and ML's is the tell tale BANG of the gun .. it gives them away, and is enough of a deterrence for the average guy to not "risk" it. A crossbow hunter has no such deterrence ...

SilentAssasin .. I hope for all our sakes you reported those poachers you were aware of.

Ahhhhhhh geeeeez man, you're KILLING ME !!

A muzzleloader uses limbs and stored energy and tranfers that energy through a string to shoot an arrow ? NO !!! its not a bow because of that, its a GUN ! Do you want me to fetch what a gun is for you ?

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gawd ya'll are wearing me down here []



MA Jay - if what you fear is true .. handicap hunters are likely to be poachers then, thats the logical leap of reasoning. But IF crossbows are such the weapon of choice for poachers ........... why haven't we seen it ? C'mon, if your premise is true, you should be able to find a boat load of poachers cases that use - not a gun - but a crossbow. If you can't ......... then its like fearing the boogey man in the closet. He's not real, he doesn't exist, people have opened the closet and shown you ...... and yet you are still afraid ?

It does have a stock, scope, "barrel", shoulder mounted, pre loaded.. Much more like a gun whose bullets are arrows IMO

You will NEVER convince me otherwise and anyone that uses one for any others means than being physically disabled is a puss.

Women can shoot compounts, kids, IMO aren't mature enough to be flinging arrows at game. So the argument about bringing new people to the sport is BS.

If you want to shoot an xbow, go ahead, put down your rifle and buy an xbow.