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Old 03-02-2005 | 12:58 PM
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This topic sort of reminds me of something..........very few people would or could ever say that an Oneida bow is without a doubt the most smooth pulling bow made, and without much handshock as well. But how many people do you see shooting them?

Anyway, I just had to say that.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 01:08 PM
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Just my obsevations here but first of all the handshock and or vibration on the Allegiance that I shot was absolutely non existent. It just simply wasn't there. Next, I think the draw cycle is a subjective thing because I found the Allegiance to be silky smooth on the draw. 70 lbs is easy for me no matter what the draw cycle is like but I found the draw cycle to be very enjoyable without out any noticable humps, peaks, bumps, or crests. It just goes back fluently. I shot it probably 100 shots and I found the more that I shot it the more I enjoyed it. JMO As far as the Switchback goes I haven't shot it. Though, just like the Allegiance, I have heard stories from people saying it was smooth and others thought it was anything but. It just goes to show you that "draw cycle" or "smooth" are subjective terms.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 01:24 PM
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Been shooting mine for almost 2 months and have loved every moment doing so. The draw cycle on the Switch is exetremely smooth. However, (the Bowtechies will eat this up coming from a Mathews man) the Bowtech Allegiance is quite a bit faster. But, here's the ol' debate about speed vs. KE. Anyway, good luck with you decision.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 02:00 PM
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Maybe handshock varies from bow to bow within the same model. When I shot the Allegiance it jumped slightly but very distinctly in my grip hand. I felt almost nothing when I shot the Switchback. At least between the two specific bows that I shot back to back, the Switchback clearly had less handshock. In fact my MQ1, which I have shot for the past 6 years, even had less handshock than the Allegiance. I'm not trying to rip on the Allegiance. It seemed like a very nice bow, but at least between these three bows that I mentioned, the Allegiance had the most hand shock. This isn't even a matter of opinion. It's just the way it was with the specific bows that I shot.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 02:06 PM
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I agree Baggins. I needed a logging chain for a wrist sling on my constitution, but others say they are as smooth as can be with no hand shock or jumping.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 02:07 PM
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You guys are arguing a moot point. Put a sight, rest and stabilizer on either of them and neither bow will have any hand shock and will both be super performers.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 02:09 PM
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I would say that handshock would absolutely be different of different bows of the same model just as speeds etc. will be different. I worked in a shop for a couple of years and I have shot a lot of bows of all different kinds and the Allegiance that I shot undoubtedly had as little handshock and vibration as anything that I have ever shot before and it was a bare bow. The OG had a little buzz in the grip but it certainly wasn't significant.
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Old 03-02-2005 | 04:07 PM
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Not only that, but the Oneidas are not exactly slow either...But again that would not be part of the argument. I shot the Binary's, all but eh long ATA one. I shot the Switchback and I shot three different hoyt cam and a halves. They are all fine bows. I personally like the SB better than the other ones but it wasn't a huge difference. I thought the LX was the best of the Mathews I shot but again that was just my perception. Each person is going to have a preference when it comes to picking which bow they want so each person is going to see which one they like best.

I also shot the Oneidas which is why there is one in my bow case right now. For a guy who from time to time has shoulder/back problems the Oneida is by far the way to go. They are real fun bows to shoot but a lot of people aren't willing to give them a shot or don't have the oportunity. It is amazing how many people I have ran into who own one since I got it. Most of them are older bows that they use for hunting so they are touting around a andonized Mathews right now for 300 leagues. I'm told the local 3-D club has a dozen guys who shoot them show up at their shoots. I would guess it would depend on the area you live in if you are going to see them a lot or not..
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Old 03-02-2005 | 07:04 PM
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Shot both, and as far as draw cycle, the Allegiance has a much smoother draw force curve! With that said, it definetly loads up the weight quicker and has a much different draw cycle!

Noise was pretty much the same.

Hand-shock, sorry my fellow Bow-Techies but the SB has the Allegiance beat! The SB had pretty much no vibration and I would say that it was perfect in the hand-shock department except that the SB seemed to torque slightly to the left on the shot. The Allegiance didn't move at all in my hand like the SB did, but it did have more vibration.

Speed, definetlly the Allegiance.... no comparison. The SB I shot was a 70# bow set at 30" and set-up to shoot I.B.O. speeds, the bow wasn't breaking over 310 f.p.s. while as the Allegiance was actually hitting I.B.O. speeds with the hush kit installed!

Now with that said, I must mention that my sisters boyfriend and his friend both bought the Switchback, and so far, they have been dis-appointed.

First, both bows were ordered with 60-70# limbs. When they recieved their bows, they were maxing the bows out around 75#-76# so they could only back them down to the mid 60's#

My sisters boyfriend's bow came set at 64# and he shot it at that weight for awhile and the draw cycle felt great, but when he put that bow up to 70# it turned into a whole new bow. At that point, the draw cycle turned for the worse. The bow at 70# seemed like a 80# bow. The draw force curve seemed to have more noticeable humps and like I said, the bow felt MUCH harder to draw than it should have!

His friends bow was ordered with a 29" draw length and came with 29" cams which is what he shoots. Well, when he started shooting the bow he was anchoring behind his ear as this bow's draw length was more like 30" even though it had 29" cams!

These could be two isolated problems, but these guys are both incredibly dis-appointed and are really wishing they hadn't bought these bows! They are going back to the pro-shop where they got them when the snow clears so hopefully we will figure something out then!
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Old 03-02-2005 | 07:21 PM
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If it feels like 50lbs it probably is 50lbs! Am I the only one who draws a 70lb bow (no matter which brand) and it feels like a 70lb pull? 70lbs is 70lbs no matter how you cut it. Somewhere in the draw cycle it's going to hit 70lbs and it's going to feel like 70lbs.
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