MATHEWS VRS BOWTECH
 

HOWDY GUYS ,,, I OWN A MATHEWS OUTBACK AND I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THIS BOW, I HAVE NEVER SHOT A BOW THAT SHOOTS SMOOTHER OR AS NICE BUT I HAVE NEVER SHOT A BOWTECH I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS SHOT BOTH AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON EACH BOW , I KNOW I JUST BOUGHT THE OUTBACK LAST YEAR BUT IM ONE OF THE RETARDS THAT HAS TO CHANGE EVERY YEAR [&:] DONT KNOW WHY I DO IT . MATHEWS ALSO HAS A NEW ONE CALLED THE SWITCHBACK AND SOME MORE ARE GOING TO BE RELEASED THIS WEEK CANT WAIT TO SEE THEM

TEAM J&D

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Bowtech has dual cam bows (Which are better:(, I'll get flamed for that one). THe solo cam models are very comparable. I didn't really perfer one over the other.

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Shot both. Bought a BowTech.

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I've shot and owned both Mathews and Bowtech bows. They are both great. It will boil down to personal opinion. Shoot both and see what you like better. For the record I tried out Bowtech's new equalizer system last week and put a deposit on an Allegiance. I don't know how they are able to get the speeds with that smooth of a draw, and I don't care. I just know they are silky smooth and smokin' fast.

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Wrong place to ask. Lots of Bowtech shooters, not many Mathews shooters... I shoot an LX, and love it. I have never shot a Bowtech, so I have nothing to say about them. They look nice, and here a lot about them from guys on here, but other than that, nobody around here sells them.

I don't think dual cam bows are better, as was previously stated, they might be faster, but there is nothing better than a single cam bow. I think if I bought a Bowtech it would be an Liberty. The Outback is a fine bow, I like the new Switchback better though.

Overall, its all up to you, and whatever decision you make won't hurt you because both are good bows.

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GAT Guns in Carpentersville sells them. A pretty good drive from Yorkville, but certainly feasible. If you get a chance you should check them out.

I'm still packing a Hoyt in my bowcase, but the times they are a'changin.

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Agreed. My buddy just bought a Switchback after test-shooting it compared to the Outback and the V-Tec (hoyt). He says he loves my Liberty, too, but BowTech was out of the question since his local shop doesn't sell them. For the record, he liked both Mathews bows over the Hoyt. (I shot all of them and I agree)

But shoot them for yourself and decide. Doubt you can go wrong with any of them.

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The last time I was ar GAT Guns, they did not have any Bowtech bows, he must have just got them. That is where I bought my Mathews at. Super nice guy that runs the place name Pete Mull. Knows his stuff about archery, and he is a Hoyt guy that likes Mathews too.

I will remind myself to shoot a Bowtech when I am there, since I am taking my Mathews there to get sent back to Mathews so it can get dipped again!

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The Bowsite forum will be doing a bow test on these bows and hopefully have the results in the near future. They take 12 archers and blindfold them so they don't know what bow is being shot. They each rate them on recoil, smoothness, speed and balance. The speed is done comparing apples to apples as far as arrow weight, draw lenght, poundage. I looked at the last two years and found Bowtechs speed claims to be just that, a claim. The Mathews LX beat the Bowtech VFT even though Bowtech claimed the VFT to be amost 8-10 feet faster IBO. The Outback won the overall rating and was allso the fastest. Beat Bowtech LIberty also, there bow with same braceheight. After all is said and done, you still need to shoot what feels good to you no matter what brand it is. Bowtech makes a good bow, but don't put alot of stock in all the HYPE you read here and there. Good Shooting.

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Roy ,Roy , Roy are you there Roy oh you were having a bad dream Roy .I have a friend here who shoot's an Outback with a 30 in draw ,and he has now boughten a Patriot .Because it's faster and much smoother ,but again it all come's down to personal preference ,that's the big issue here .I'm not knocking Mathew's because I've shot Mathew's bow's and indeed they are nice ,but they are very comparable to BowTech and this is where it come's down to preference.
But I must say Roy BowTech isn't all about Hype buddy,these bow's do have an edge in the speed area over the other's and that's a fact.

mubo

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Nothing really more to say. I shoot a Bowtech and it has impressed me more than I thought in its performance in the field. It comes down to what every single person in this thread said. Shoot them both, it should be evident which one feels the best to you. Either way you will have a superior bow. Don't get caught in the hype this guy shoots this but these guys shoot this. That's my advice. Have fun!

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3shot yeah Petes a great guy.He's a bud of mine,and Ive bought a couple Hoyts from him and send friends up to him all the time.There are a couple shops closer but I'll drive a few more just to deal with Pete up at GAT.They just started selling BOWTECh before Christmas.

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Single cams were designed for lazy and/or incompetent archers. Sorry, don't yell at me, these are just the simple facts. In all fairness, the singles do have a sexy draw.

As far as manufacturers there's no comparison. Buy a Bowtech dually at the proper poundage and learn how to maintain your equipment. Bowtech has an open minded approach to archery, business, and their customers. With cam configurations of every design, wide range of brace heights, and axle to axle lengths to fit everyone and every situation, it's no wonder Bowtech is the bow industry's top dog.

Just a bowhunter's ( with no axe to grind) opinion.

Boldt

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I shot several models of both brands last year and bought the Mathews Icon.

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I thought you had an AR???

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This does apear to be a more of a bowtech forum over other bows, I guess that's fine, I myself would choose a mathews over a bowtech. Ther basic look about bowtech and lots of other bows out there look just like mathews who was the one who came out with that look, mathews was ,parrellel limbs, the look of the risers,solocams. It seems to me that mathews was the ones who came out with all this great technology. I have shot bowtech even the new liberty, ya it felt good but not any better than a new mathews. I think alot of you are comparing your brand new bowtechs to 5 or 6 year old mathews like a Q2 or something. Try shooting a new mathews with string suppresors I love em. And as far as speed, look at the charts and bowtechs are not any faster than mathews and espicially not the black max2 wich has been around for years wich has harmonic dampening and string suppressors.

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Some one is very misinformed. Here is a list of the fastest bows in order starting with the fastest. Pick up a trend here?

Here is the link.
http://www.fastestbows.com/fastestbows.htm


Company
Bow Model
IBO (fps)
Brace Height (in)
ATA (in)

BowTech
Black Knight 2
342-350
5.75
36.25

Mathews
Black Max2 (Turbo Cam)
340+
5.5 ??
36 ??

BowTech
Pro 40 (dually)
328-336
7
37.125

BowTech
Patriot (dually)
326-334
7.625
35.125

BowTech
Extreme VFT
325-333
6.625
34

Hoyt
SuperTec
330
6
35

Mathews
Black Max2
330
5.5
36

BowTech
Allegiance
322-328
7
33.625

BowTech
Patriot (single)
318-326
7
33.25

Martin
SlayR
325
6.875
38.125

Newberry
Archery Pro
SB1
325
6.75
34.5

Whisper Creek
Nav TR-35
325
7.375
35.75

Whisper Creek
Nav TR-31
325
7.5
31

Martin
Cougar III Magnum Nitrous
320
6.625
36.5

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Patchholder!
You must be having dream's too bud .But Buckeyebuckhntr has said it all and I don't need to say another word. But look it, we're not here to run down Mathew's ,because Mathew's is a top of the line bow and sure I'd be proud to own one as well, but BowTech was my choice that and I'll be shooting BowTech from here on in ,just because it felt right for me and that's all that matter's . But we need to be honest about this . If Mathew's Outback felt right to you then that's what matter's because it is a great bow as well as any .



nubo

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Nubo,Nubo,Nubo yes I am here and no I am not having a bad dream. Don't get yout panties in a wad just because someone used the word hype and it wasn't associated with Mathews. I was just conveying the facts on an apples to apples test on Bowsite.com verified with 2 chronographs. And yes we all know someone that has switched from this brand or that brand. I too know someone who had a Bowtech and sold it after one year to go back to another brand. Does not prove one thing though. OH how quick we come to the offensive!!! Nubo, Nubo, Nubo. You must write the tester at Bowsite.com and tell them of there errors. How dare they test apples to apples and have data that Mathews was faster than Bowtech on the bows they tested.
Just to note. If you read my post carefully, I did not state Bowtech was a bunch of HYPE. I stated don't put stock in all the HYPE you read here. Meaning test for yourself. Compare apples to apples. Shoot what feels good and works for you.
Good Shooting.

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i shoot a different bow every year also and usually try to try different brands and i think in the last 16 years of serious bowhunting have been through them all but for the last 3 years i have religiously shot Hoyt bows the last being the Xtec and i've loved them all i looked at all the different brand every year and returned to Hoyt they are great bows check them out if you have the chance this year i am trying something different and thats going to be a bowtech allegiance the reason being i feel they are the only company which came out with something that might be truly revolutionary with their new bianary cam system i have shot this bow in the shop several times and it is amazing it's quite,smooth, and super fast its specs are a bowhunters dream if you decide to try the mathews switchback notice the draw cycle i think it is really harsh especially compared to last years outback just imagine yourself bundled up in winter cold and drawing back on that buck of a lifetime in a akward position with the switchback OH NO!!! Hope this has helped keep your options open its whatever just feel right to you

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That is the official very first RIDICULOUS statement of 2005! Congrats!

I've never owned an AR , you must be thinking of someone else.

Fastestbows.com will have to be updated in 2005.

Bowtech bows are every bit as good as Mathews. I shot them all and ended up with the Mathews Icon 70lb based on smooth draw only , I sacrificed speed. To get anything that compared to the smoothness of the Icon I would have had to order a Hoyt wheely and I wanted a solid limb bow. If I were interested in speed I would have selected the pro 40 dually.

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Taken from the contest thread.

Maybe you posted the pic for someone else?

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Yes , I posted the pic for AR34EightPoint.

If I ever switch to an AR I'll make sure and change my sig pic.;)

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Oh, I got ya[8D] Now I feel like everyone is staring, pointing and laughing at me. Don't I look like an a$$. lol J/K

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Okay...I own a Mathews Outback and just recently bought a Bowtech Allegiance. The Outback is a great bow. And in the past, I was always concerned with how loud the bowtech line seemed to me personnally, however, I just started shooting my new Allegiance and it is the perfect combination of power, speed and quietness. The new Bowtech is as quiet as my Mathews Outback. So, if you are looking for changing, the Bowtech line, in my opinion has got it perfect with the new line and cam system. Try them out. You wont be disappointed.

Kelly

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I find it interesting that everyone says this is a "Bowtech" site, which I guess it sort of is now. I say this because previously when I posted a lot more it was a kind of Hoyt vs. Mathews site and then moved to be a very Mathews site and there were a lot of people accusing Mathews of not living up to their hype (sounds pretty familiar). Now the majority has moved on to Bowtechs.

The bottom line is you have to evaluate what is important to you (i.e. speed, smooth draw, axle to axle, brace height, etc.) find the bows that meet your criteria and shoot them. Once you do you can determine which is the one for you. With the quality of all of the major companies these days you're going to get a great bow no matter who you choose.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

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Huntingbry!

I couldn't agree more .

nubo

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Just to start off I shoot a hoyt right now AND WILL CHANGE befor next year,not happy with it at all.


I am not shure how to take BUCKYEBUCKNTR poast on speed.From my point of veiw it is not good for bowtech.I am very sure that the cono was working good so how do they come up with a 8fps difrances on there bows????

Dose this meen there bows are not very stable? or they are not sure how fast they shoot? Are they just gessing?

I just dont get it every time I cono my bow it comes out 1 number not like 265-273. I allso think a lot of test go by what is popular allso.

Did they get each one of thes bows and shoot them or did they just use the companys numbers?


Not trying to be a pain I just dont get how they cant know how fast they shoot.

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ELKINMTCWB

They are telling you no matter what your bow will shoot between the speeds listed.

So if you bow is listed 322 - 328 thats means your bow will shoot at least 322fps but more than likey closer to 328.

Unlike many others companies (should read all the other companies) who may say 330fps and when you get it and chrono it it shoots 325. I am speaking from experience here to (Hoyt Supertec).

My allegiance is IBO rated 322-328fps

My Allegiance at 62# 29 inch draw length and a 310.6 grain arrow is shooting 318 fps.

That is with a kisser, peep, hush kit and loop on the string.

BowTechs reach there claimed speeds when most other manufactures do not.

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What bowtech did they test, the Rascal.[8D]

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They're all crap compared to MY Hoyt Protec [8D]


Look, a bow is a bow when you get into these top of line models. Get the one that fits you perfectly and do the same thing shot after shot and you will be impressed.

Matthews, Bowtech, Hoyt, PSE, Martin, etc, etc are all good companies with good products that fit everyone's own personal needs and goals.

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The word filters are in place for a reason, please don't bypass them.

Thanks.

Back on the subject - the debate between bow manufacturers is one that will never end, and never have a clear winner. Every bow has it's pros and cons, and ultimately it's up to the consumer to decide which bow they feel the most comfortable with, is in their price range, and affords them all the features they're looking for. Hoyt, Bowtech, and Matthews all make great products, as do many other companies. Just because one is faster or quieter or looks prettier than another doesn't mean it's better or worse than any other bow.

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Man, we have never talked about this before.......;)

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No offence I am just trying to figger it out.

Dose any have A ALLEGIANCE that shoots the 328?

I am not in to the speed thing, I just hunt with my bow have done no racing at all with it hehe

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I have an allegiance that at 62 pounds draw weight and 29 inch draw length shoots a 310 grain arrow 318 fps. This is shooting 5 grains per pound the same as IBO test specs.

Now add another inch of draw length with equals roughly 10fps puts you right on 328[8D]

IBO test specs are 30 inch draw length 70 pounds 350 grain arrow. (5 grains per pound)

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Bowtech Liberty 7 1/2" brace height IBO 300-308 540 grn --222 fps 350 grn ---264.2
Mathews Outback 7 5/8" brace height IBO 308 540 grn---231.4 fps 350 grn---277 fps



Here is a link. ;);)[8D]
http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/featu...004headtohead/

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The BowTech Liberty was designed to be a smooth drawing and pleasureable shooting bow with not a lot of emphisis on speed. Had the MightyMight VFT, Patriot VFT single, Patriot VFT Dually or the Extreme VFT been compaired to the Mathews Outback,,,,,,, the results wouldn't have,,, well,,,,,,, not been very compairable:D
Botton line is that,, much the same as this year, Mathews really only introduced one new hunting bow in '04 as the Outback. The Switchback this year is really the only new hunting bow for '05. In Mathews own words "the Switchback is the best hunting bow we've ever made".
BowTech has the most to offer in different models for hunters and target archers in '05,,, with the most revolutionary cam system offered in '05.
Next year might be different but IMO BowTech is the company to watch this year;)

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They are both ever priced![:'(]

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They're both worthless to me. Neither outfit makes a bow in my draw length.

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Arthur

The constitution goes to 33 inch DL.

Both the Old Glory and Independence go to 32 inch draw length.

What is your DL? It can't be over 33[:o]