Your opinion on the easiest killed deer in the woods.
 

I am not asking what is the most abundant deer in the woods but rather the one who is most susceptible to being taken by a hunter.

I have said many times that I believe the yearling (1 1/2 years old) buck is the most foolish deer in the herd.

Per a few threads some do not agree.

I would like to know in your opinion what is the most naive mistake prone animal in the deer herd.

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i agree with the 1 1/2 year old bucks but also the young doe's even though they may be more curious.

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I would have to say any yearling that has not seen a hunting season! I don't look at a 1.5 year old as a yearling, but as a 1.5 year old! These 1.5 year olds have been thru a hunting season as well a winter. Maybe even shot at Bow and Gun. A yearling has not. Which makes them more of an easier target. A yearling may know danger before its 1st hunting season but not LIFE threatning as in being shot at or grazed by an arrow or bullet. JMO

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IMO, it's the 1 1/2 year old buck that is the easiest to kill in most areas. Fawns have the protective maternal instinct of a mature Doe to save their butts. Does also generally have other deer with them, meaning more eyes and ears to detect danger. However, a yearling buck (1 1/2 year old) has many thing stacked against him. For one he is a very curious animals, this fact alone will get many killed every season. Then consider buck dispersment, for the first time in his life the yearling buck finds himself looking for a new homerange becuse mom has pushed him off to prevent inbreeding, this unfamilarity of his new surrounding also make him easy to kill. All this going agaist him and then add in the hormones he is experiencing for th first time thrown in will his curiosity and this is what puts most states harvets ratios at 60 to 80% yearling bucks! I think the only guys you are really going to find that are going to argue this are the guys that kill yearling bucks every year! :D IF, they get past this first year carrying a "rack" they become sooooo MUCH wiser and aer well on their way to becoming a trophy.

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no dought about it i agree.

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A 1.5 year old buck thats "rutted up"... a doe bleat or two and he's in your lap.

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I'm no way an expert to ARGUE the point but this is from my personal expierences on the land that I hunt! Oh, and I never killed a 1.5 year old buck either!;):D



I don't know where your huntin but It's not like that where I hunt!

RE: You opinion on the easiest killed deer in the woods.
 

Without a doubt,a fawn (without the presence of its mother) is the easiest kill. But this is really a relative question because it has everything to do with pressure the deer recieve.

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A button buck in November is the easiest deer to kill. They are usually not with momma at that time and are trying to act like the big boys. Only dumber.

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Hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe the question should read what is the easiest deer to kill in you neck of the woods!;)

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If all of the deer herd are receiving equal pressure what would it matter?

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I was thinking the same thing, a yearling basket racked buck comes running into to the first calls you throw at 'em nearly everytime around here! It seems that their reactions are actually even laughable at times. Nodoubt about it , they can be very entertaining during the slow hours on stand! :D

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Because a deer has a typical homerange of miles and will not recieve the same pressure as the deer that just got bumped 20 acres over, this is highly unlikely. Except of course for public land in WI during firearms season, then it's mass hysteria!

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For me I hunt state land that gets alot of pressure during bow let alone gun season. So when you say equal pressure are you referring to a few guys or a few hundred guys? I've had a bunch of does under me with yearlings(doe & buck fawns) when the mature Does bailed, the fawns just stood there! I've also had 1.5 year old bucks walk within 30 yards of my stand and bail just because of they KNEW something wasn't right. The yearlings had no sense to run even when their mother ran. I've also had mature bucks walk around me looking for the doe I made him think was there using the can call! Never offering a shot! So its a combination of things! Right stand, right wind, right time of day, time of season, right luck! There is alot more to take into consideration than to just asking a question. A good question no matter what!

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For the most part I would disagree with "miles". 600 acres is considered a pretty large homerange and this isn't even 2 square miles of land.

Sure it has been documented but I would not consider this the norm. With the exception of rutting bucks or yearling dispersal.

But then again I would also not consider yearling dispersal and a rutting buck going through another area searching for does their "homerange" either.

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Any deer, that doesn't know I'm there.

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Common sense should tell you that the most abundant deer will be the easiet to kill by sheer probabilty alone. If there are 100 1 lb bass in a lake and 2 7 lb lunkers which do you think will be the easiest to catch??

You have to see something before you can kill it..........so whatever you stand the best chance of seeing is what will be the easiest to kill.

This of course will be different in nearly every area out there.


Even if that were true which I don't agree it is.......by sheer numbers alone you stand a much better chance of taking a doe or fawn if you are just out to whack a deer........thus making it easier to kill one of them.

I think it is laughable that you would say a 1 1/2 year old buck is easier to kill then a motherless fawn.

Even funnier is how dumb and easy to kill you rate these "yearlings" but suddenly a year (or 2 max) later they are the most wise, crafty, cunning, beasts that only the bravest of hunters even dare attempt to harvest.

Easiest buck I ever killed was a mature 13 pointer...........so that's what gets my vote ;)

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Curiosity is what kills most bucks of any age.

Could you post a link where you got this info.

Yea........some magical spell gets cast over them during their second winter as they attend Whitetail University and they suddenly are transformed into an almost unhuntable entity that mere mortals are no match for.

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He has no idea what you are talking about. He hunts private farm lands in Ohio. Little to no pressure and a realistic chance at seeing a mature buck on any given day on stand.

If he was ever forced to hunt some of the battlefields many hunters have as their only option he would have a more realistic viewpoint of deer hunting as opposed to his current myopia.

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deffinetly the loner button buck

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A 1.5 year old buck has been run off by the other bucks and isn't tolerated by the does. He is alone and a grunt call makes him think a new buddy may be near. A doe bleat makes him think he might get lucky. They are very call susceptible. Not so with a fawn(we call them yearlings). Does can be super smart. I have not seen any super wary 1.5 year old bucks. I think that is why they account for such a big percent of the yearly harvest.

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The most naive deer in the woods is the nub buck (the true yearling). The 1 1/2 year old is not a yearling!

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No matter how laughable you may think it is, in Ohio there is no doubt that a 1 1/2 yr old buck is the easiest of all to kill. I believe the 60% to 80% harvest ratio that Cornfed posted for his state is very close in Ohio as well. I think that it is true for most states, I will look for a source to back that up for those doubters out there.

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I dont give a crap where you are! The nub/button buck is the easiest deer to kill period!
How can you argue that? The button buck is the first to meander through the woods in the afternoon and the last to bed down in the morning. I've bounced acorns off their head to get them to leave from under my stand.

The only reason this type of discussion continues is to make hunters who kill 1 1/2 year old bucks feel like less of a hunter. To try and get them to pass on all younger bucks. To make more trophy bucks so ya'll can get your trophy easier. It's laughable if you ask me. The trophy hunter is the mighty hunter and yet they expect everyone else to make it easier for them to kill a trophy.:D

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This is one of the biggest lines of BS I have ever heard. If someone only has public land to hunt it is no ones falut but there own. Get up off their lazy butts and go nock on some frickin doors.

I am not asking by "sheer probabilty" Once again I am not asking what is most abundant. I am saking what deer is most suseptible to being taken by a hunter. Read my question don't mold it into what you want it to say.

Again read above response:eek:

What did you shoot that with again??? OH YEA a shotgun[&:] By the way did you ever have him aged? He looks like a 2 1/2 year old around here?

GFoing by your pics in the Taxidermy forum I guess this is true after all.

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In my neck of the "rose colored glasses" a fawn is a fawn and a 1 1/2 is a yearling. Different regions have different terms such as a western 4 point is an 8 point around here.

This has nothing to do with that. You and Atlas like to take things out of context and read what you want to read. Not what has been written.

Once again shoot what ever you want. A Nub, 4 point, 30 point whatever shoot what makes you happy.

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Agreed.........this is just another ego thread by Buckeye. He wants SOOOOOOO BAD for everyone to think he is the almighty hunter that starts these threads constantly. He started a "dream team" thread in the contest board hoping everyone would put him on it :eek:.........and in here we get the chants about mature buck this and bow only that and what I do is harder and the way I hunt is better..........blah, blah, blah.

All this from a guy who is hunting low pressured bucks on private farm lands



Talk about funny

The best part about a "trophy" is just that.........it is unique and not easily obtained. A "trophy" is a once in a blue moon buck that when people see they are shocked that a buck like that was walking around where you took him. If no one ever shot a young buck and mature bucks were walking all over the place what would be so special about shooting one??

Why would "trophy" hunters want everyone else to make their task easier? Isn't that the true enjoyment behind hunting mature bucks.......the fact that they are so difficult to find and even harder to kill??

Guess not.

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It has nothing to do with if I would be placed on the list. I know who I think the best big buck hunters on the board is an dwanted to know what others thought. It has nothig to do with me.


How does Rack - Attack kill big NY public land bucks almost every year with his bow then Atlas??

Answer that ole great messiah of whitetail knowledge.

RE: Your opinion on the easiest killed deer in the woods.
 

Button buck, without a doubt. Yearlings bucks (1.5 yr olds) act like 2.5 yr olds or even smarter in some states due to intense hunting pressure.

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So you admit that you NEED private honey holes to succeed? Don't like a challenge huh?

;)


I read your question..........you just want to mold the answer into what you want to hear. No matter how you slice it if fawns and does outnumber 1 1/2 yr old bucks 20 to 1 then you stand the best chance of seeing and killing one of the 20 before you kill the 1. Put those 21 deer in the woods full of hunters and that 1 buck stands a good chance of survival.......while a bunch of the others will not.

I hunted DEC managed lands this year that kept stats on every deer killed. Out of 50 deer killed (last time I was there) there were 37 does and 13 bucks taken. Numbers alone make the does and little ones easier to kill. To quote the DEC officer at the check station......."Kill us some does PLEASE.....They are like rats around here"

So we did. My brother killed 2 does and I killed a buck and doe........just doing are part in the management plan :)


I killed him at 20 yards with a gun that has a range of 50...........Oh the shame :eek:

If you are trying to make me feel less about my buck you are REALLY, REALLY barking up the wrong tree

He was aged at 3 1/2.


Because I don't wait for older bucks??

I post my pics in the taxidermy forum because that is what I have on my wall at this time. I usually keep the last 2-3 years on the wall and replace them as new stuff comes in.............what you fail to see when looking down your nose at everyone is that if you had any idea of the conditions I hunt in 90+% of the time you would have a better grasp as to what's on my wall and what it took to get it there. I have killed 8 deer in the last 3 years and 5 of them are bucks (1 mature). Our state averages are 11% and 14% success rates for bow and gun respectively.........and only one deer was taken on private land which I haven't been back to since.......too easy ;)

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This from the same guy that just insulted me for shooting a buck with a gun and made fun of the racks I posted in the taxidermy forum because they aren't all mature bucks.

:eek:

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Please quote my insult. I would like to see it.

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Bowfanatic, I'm not trying to be anal here, but the true definition of a yearling is a deer between 1 and 2 years old. Fawns are fawns, yearlings are yearlings: deer between 1 and 2 years old. Is it really important (?), I don't know, but if you are talking about QDM, deer management or anything else to do with deer and deer hunting, it helps to use the proper terms to accurately identify deer. That way, when someone says yearling, we know what age you are talking about.

It also gives you more credibility to know what you are talking about when throwing around terms. Please don't take this the wrong way, it's not a slam, and I'm not picking on you or anyone else, but there is a true definition of yearling, it's not a matter of regional terminology like the 4 point vs. 8 point example.

Have a great holiday.

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He hunts in bow only zones ;)

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You really can't just read the question.

Once again it states.


So drop all of your probabilities and read the question at hand.


Also my friend I shot this on public land in Harrison county Ohio.

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Here ya go

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TITLE OF THE THREAD

YOUR OPINION ON THE EASIEST KILLED DEER IN THE HERD?

;)

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That was not an insult. Unless you believe me saying you shot it with a shot gun is an insult????

"Yea........some magical spell gets cast over them during their second winter as they attend Whitetail University and they suddenly are transformed into an almost unhuntable entity that mere mortals are no match for.

Going by your pics in the Taxidermy forum I guess this is true after all."

Once again not an insult. Posting the obvious.

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I don't.........you do. Why else would you say it??

Why did you point out that I shot it with a gun then?........there is no other reason then to try and lesson his status because in your mind if it wasn't taken with a bow it means less.


It is an insult because you are implying that I want to and try to hunt bigger bucks but that is all I can kill so I have to settle for them.

Every deer I have a legal tag for is a "shooter" ;)

Here is something for ya. I have taken over 400 inches of antlers in the last 3 years. How about you??


;)

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3 bucks 401 inches. Didn't think I was gonna say that did ya:D