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Old 10-27-2004 | 11:54 AM
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This is a photo of the Kill shot. It aint pretty, but quite effective.
I was using my Matthews LX with an eradicator sight. Once you get used to not using a peep this sight is quite effective, and I can use it with my glasses on. I waited to take the shot until the deer laid her head on the ground. The Muzzy went right through her neck and stuck in the ground.
( I have made a corredtion to this post! It was brought to my attention that I was using an illegal sight. I had originally posted that I was using a red dot scope. My red dot scope is called an E-dot and I also have an Eradicator sight that is non electric. I had both bows with me and I did use the E radicator for the hunt. Both of my sights eliminate the peep. And I get them confused when typing,but not when hunting.)
If you look in the photo I have the bow with the E-dot, This was a shot we took the morning after the hunt and we just picked up bows for the photo.)

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Old 10-27-2004 | 11:55 AM
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Congrats on the deer. That's quite a shot. I think it's ironic that the inventor of a product is just now getting a chance to take his first deer with that product. Now you know first hand they work. Good story and nice pics too.
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Old 10-27-2004 | 11:56 AM
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The deer came into an opening about fifteen yds away, but was standing about 3/4 away from me and its vitals were blocked by a large tree.All I had as a target was the front sholders forward. I had the bow drawn and the darn deer looked right up at me.
I decided that if and when it looked away I was going to drop it with a high shoulder shot.
I can't believe no-one else is questioning this shot and possible ethics issue.

Why would anyone want to shoot at anything but vitals????? Nick, you must have really wanted that doe.

A few minutes later , Buster Greenway took his doe about 200 yds away from me. He dropped his in her tracks with a shot to the back of the head.
One neck shot, the other head shot - you guys are quite the duo.
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Old 10-27-2004 | 12:19 PM
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congrats on the deer. What are Turbo nocks? Do you have some pictures? I would like to know more about them. Is there a website?
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Old 10-27-2004 | 01:52 PM
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OK Here I go. I don't care if you can hit a gnat in the pecker from 30 yards neck shots and head shots aren't the way to go,IMO. You can brag all you want about your shooting skills but the margin for error is to great for that kind of shot. If you're that good and it doesn't excite you why not just wait for a high percentage broadside shot instead.
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Old 10-27-2004 | 02:45 PM
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Nice deer! Looks like your hard work paid off with the Turbo's.

Neck / Head shots -- I won't take them. It's that simple. I'll take different ranges of shots at vitals which some may call gutsy, but I'd never take a neck / head shot. Even with a gun. I just don't see the point of aiming at a 2 inch target vs a 8 inch kill zone. Last I checked, that's a lot smaller!!!!!
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Old 10-27-2004 | 03:31 PM
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Iaam not bragging about my shooting skills. I would not take a shot that I was not confident of making. The first shot was a shoulder shot that went through the spine and out the neck.
This is just as deadly as a heart lung shot, and a lot quicker. We talk about ethics and a lot of hunters take the heart shot because they know if they miss the heart the lung shot will also kill,but the animal can take quite some time to die with a lung shot.
I took the high shoulder shot at 15yds which gave me about a 4inch area to do the damage I wanted. The shoulder shot dropped the deer in its tracks and it could not move except for raising its head a little. It would have bled out right there in a few minutes. I took the NECK shot to the spine to stop the animal from any suffering. I think a 10 second calculated kill is far more ethical than a lung shot where the animal is going to run and possibly get lost and also suffer for a considerable length of time. I would never shoot for the skull area of an animal. The doe that Buster took was a shot straight down from his tree stand and It was also not to the skull , but to the spine area just behind the head. Buster is a very accomplished hunter and shooter and gives his friend Byron Ferguson a run for his money when they get into shooting.

As to getting excited I was making reference to those who let the excitement get in the way of their shot. ( buck fever) I of course was excited with the hunt, but That type of excitement comes out as a heightened calmness with me.
Archery is a Martial art and I have studied other martial arts most of my life. I have had over 1000 tournament fights and probably 10,000 non tournament fights. I have over the years learned to be quite calm in the heat of fighting other humans who fight back. This calmness and focus is kind of second nature and gave me quite an edge in tournament fighting. I have only lost about 200 of those fights. That same calm focus was there for me when I took the doe.
I saw the shot and I calmly made it. I was using excellent equipment and was aware of its and my limitations.
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Old 10-28-2004 | 11:47 AM
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Sorry, but I'm still not impressed by your shot selection. You seem like a person that needs an aweful lot of patting on the back since you seem to like to justify a lot of the things that you have done, but it isn't going to be from me on this one (and your buddies) shot selections.

Next time you go on a trip why not let the operations/ranch owners know ahead of time of the shot selections on game that you plan on taking, see how many of them will welcome you with open arms.
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Old 10-29-2004 | 09:27 AM
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I am sorry you feel that way, I was brought up with a lot of rules from the Bible. One had to do with judging others. I still live by that rule. All I can say is that your opinion of me or your judgment of me missed by a mile.

Most everyone in the country watched the presidental debates. and yet after they were over. half the country swore Bush won and half swore that Kerry won. How can millions of people with varying degrees of intelligence, watch the exact same events and come out with an even split on what really happened. Sadly many people look at the world and events with preconceived ideas that cloud their judgment. This is not a fault, but just human nature.
Look at how politics are done. Make a personal attack of your opponent , then try to drive some point home. This is done on both sides. I have found this same mentality is pervasive in our society.
Put your opponent down in some way then this is supposed to make your point the right one.

All I can say is if you think the shot I made was unethical, you are basing it on your preconceived ideas. I was there I saw the shot develop and I took the shot based on my ethics which is to make a kill as quickly as possible within the limits of my skill and equipment. The result is my shot worked as I expected. At 15yds this was a very low risk shot for
me and the results are what they are.

I really believe the ethics of hunting should be discussed, but personal attacks are of little value.
In Canada it is perfectly acceptable to Bait bear , In most of the US this is illegal.
In some states you can track deer with dogs, some states allow scopes and electric illuminated sights , some do not, some allow mechanicals some do not. These ethics are legislated.
Perhaps we should have state laws legislating where we can shoot deer with the bow and arrow and at what distance. Perhaps if you wound a deer you should pay a fine????
Perhaps we should have a hunters shooting test just like a drivers license test.
Lets say if you can not shoot a 4in group at 40 yds and a 2inch group at 20 you fail the test and can not get a hunting license. Would that be ethical?????
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Old 10-29-2004 | 09:38 AM
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besides using any electronic devices on your bow in ILLINOIS is prohibited. IE. ILLEGAL! im sure this pertains to your red dot scope.
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