Proshop blues.
#11
Man, 268 is plenty good. I shoot 268 also, and i have NO problems whatsoever. 3D, hunting, anything. I mean, i could see why youd be pissed about what the guy said, but i wouldlnt worry about your speed at all. If anything, put some leaches in there, a fletcher tru peep, and a soft nock with 2 bumbers underneath, and you might gain some speed.
#12
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Baltimore Maryland USA
Did the shop say what you heard - did you hear what he said - was it said as a joke or in contempt?
This time of year shops are getting very busy and shop owners are deluged with business. In an effort to meet everyones' needs, we can get a little 'punch drunk'.
I know this because I had an incident with a customer several years ago. It was even brought out on this forum. What I said was meant as a light joke and the customer was in no mood to hear it. He left and I never knew about how he took the comment until he posted about it on this forum. We finally got to talk (off the forum) and we are now back to dealing with each other.
What I'm trying to get at is that we're sometimes quick to judge a relationship based on just one 'off the wall' comment. If this would prove to be a general attitude, then your reaction would be justified.
BTW, I killed my biggest buck with a bow shooting 263 fps.
Good luck with your bow.
This time of year shops are getting very busy and shop owners are deluged with business. In an effort to meet everyones' needs, we can get a little 'punch drunk'.
I know this because I had an incident with a customer several years ago. It was even brought out on this forum. What I said was meant as a light joke and the customer was in no mood to hear it. He left and I never knew about how he took the comment until he posted about it on this forum. We finally got to talk (off the forum) and we are now back to dealing with each other.
What I'm trying to get at is that we're sometimes quick to judge a relationship based on just one 'off the wall' comment. If this would prove to be a general attitude, then your reaction would be justified.
BTW, I killed my biggest buck with a bow shooting 263 fps.

Good luck with your bow.
#13
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Blissfield MI USA
I wouldn't complain about 268, I shoot 211 with my bow set up with a 415 grn arrow. I own a brand new Bowtech Mighty Might VFT. I was a bit depressed about the speed, expecting more like always. I think you will find if you do the math your bow is plenty fast enough. It's just your set up that is limiting your speed. When I did all the calculations for arrow weight, draw length, and draw weight I came up with my bow shooting at the high end of what it was rated at (320fps). So I guess 211 for for my set up was pretty darn impressive.
Chances are if you would have spent 200 dollars more you wouldn't have really gained all that much any way. You may even have ended up with a bow that didn't shoot as well as the one you got. Just out of curiousity, what bow did you get, and what is the other bow for 200 more he thinks you should have bought. Just buying the most expensive bow on the rack doesn't insure that you bought the "best" bow.
The best way to pick up speed is to lighten your arrows some. However I don't think you will notice the difference between 270 and 280 fps. You probably wouldn't even have to change your pin settings. Maybe at longer distances, but not at 20 yards.
I don't even think shop owners should tell customers how fast thier bow shoots, or how much poundage they draw. It just messes with your head. The only real reasons to know your speed and poundage is to measure if something changes for trouble shooting purposes. And you need to know your poundage to get proper arrows. You should set the bow up the way YOU want it, and the way it is comfortable for YOU to shoot. Then don't worry about it. There isn't a bow made right now that is not capable of downing a deer. If I can do it at my size, any normal person could do it with ease.
Don't doubt your bowtech, you will give it a complex. Say you are sorry and whisper sweet things to it. How would you like it if your girlfriend said "That was good, but I was expecting more.". Hurts, doesn't it.
I won't even get into the shop thing. Did you tell him he is the one who sold you the bow. And I don't care what model you bought, Bowtechs are expensive compared to other bows. It's not like you got a Rack Master light from Jennings or something.
Paul
Chances are if you would have spent 200 dollars more you wouldn't have really gained all that much any way. You may even have ended up with a bow that didn't shoot as well as the one you got. Just out of curiousity, what bow did you get, and what is the other bow for 200 more he thinks you should have bought. Just buying the most expensive bow on the rack doesn't insure that you bought the "best" bow.
The best way to pick up speed is to lighten your arrows some. However I don't think you will notice the difference between 270 and 280 fps. You probably wouldn't even have to change your pin settings. Maybe at longer distances, but not at 20 yards.
I don't even think shop owners should tell customers how fast thier bow shoots, or how much poundage they draw. It just messes with your head. The only real reasons to know your speed and poundage is to measure if something changes for trouble shooting purposes. And you need to know your poundage to get proper arrows. You should set the bow up the way YOU want it, and the way it is comfortable for YOU to shoot. Then don't worry about it. There isn't a bow made right now that is not capable of downing a deer. If I can do it at my size, any normal person could do it with ease.
Don't doubt your bowtech, you will give it a complex. Say you are sorry and whisper sweet things to it. How would you like it if your girlfriend said "That was good, but I was expecting more.". Hurts, doesn't it.

I won't even get into the shop thing. Did you tell him he is the one who sold you the bow. And I don't care what model you bought, Bowtechs are expensive compared to other bows. It's not like you got a Rack Master light from Jennings or something.
Paul
#14
Nontypical Buck
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Nothing wrong with your bow shootin 268-fps. More speed sometimes just lets you miss deer quicker.
I would not change a thing. Your setup will kill any deer, bear, elk or moose that walks on this planet.
Good luck hunting, dont get too caught up in this speed hype. Fred Bear killed lots of critters with a much slower bow than yours.
I would not change a thing. Your setup will kill any deer, bear, elk or moose that walks on this planet.Good luck hunting, dont get too caught up in this speed hype. Fred Bear killed lots of critters with a much slower bow than yours.
#15
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If mine was shooting 268, I'd quickly be shooting a heavier arrow to slow it down. Speed doesn't kill, accuracy and super sharp broadheads is all it takes. Also, keep in mind that there are no magic bows. If it's faster, then you're putting more effort in the draw. Some are slightly more efficient than others, but for the most part, you get out what you put in. Everyone should pick out a draw weight and draw cycle that's comfortable. Then shoot a properly spined arrow with high F.O.C. and live witht the speed, because it's the least important part about shooting well.
#16
Spike
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I hunted with a Bear Whitetail 2 until 2000, when I bought a new Hoyt. I shot 2219 with 125 gr. broadhead off that Whitetail. Didn't worry about the speed of my set up then, and I still don't. All that matters to me is the bow feels good in my hand and the arrow hits where I aim. Sound like you got a good set up. If you like the bow then who cares about the speed if it works for you.
. Happy hunting.
. Happy hunting.
#17
Thread Starter
Joined: Oct 2003
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From: Georgia
I droped by the shop today to give them one more chance and would you believe the guy I talked to had sold the shop! That was his last day there. It's under "new management". A pair of brothers bought him out and their revamping the entire store. New inventory, new attitude. Today it was like walking into a totaly different place. The new owner and staff were awsome. They switched out a string loop to a nock for me and even gave me a bow101 lesson while it was on the press. I mean the whole shop took on a different atmosphere. I stayed and shot for about an hour and felt right at home. It's amazing what a difference one person can make.
#18
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Stalker 22,
That's great about the new owners. A good pro shop is a wonderfull thing. It's almost like having an auto mechanic or doctor that you can trust.
One thing that you might ask them about is your arrows. The 5575 is usually underspined for your set-up. The bad news is that an arrow with enough spine is often heavier and slower than the 5575's.
Good luck
Allen
That's great about the new owners. A good pro shop is a wonderfull thing. It's almost like having an auto mechanic or doctor that you can trust.
One thing that you might ask them about is your arrows. The 5575 is usually underspined for your set-up. The bad news is that an arrow with enough spine is often heavier and slower than the 5575's.
Good luck
Allen
#19
Joined: Sep 2003
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From: Maine
It's very very light and fairly quiet. Not to mention extremely consistent.
I feel too much emphasis is put on speed. It's another gimick the manufacturers use to sell high end bows. If it weren't in the formula for ke I would even chrono my bow. Your bow is fine and as you'll see this fall, very lethal
#20
ORIGINAL: Stalker22
I have a truglow pep sight tied across to the cable for alignment, string leaches, and I'm getting rid of a string loop. Gold tip 5575 arrows 29" long with 4" feathers and 100grn field point. I was hoping to at least be 280.
I have a truglow pep sight tied across to the cable for alignment, string leaches, and I'm getting rid of a string loop. Gold tip 5575 arrows 29" long with 4" feathers and 100grn field point. I was hoping to at least be 280.
What is your draw lentgh? If you say anything under 30", even close to 70 pounds your bow is doing a fine job! I'm glad you opted to remove the string loop... it shortens your draw, which slows you down a wee bit, but more importantly it's just something else to go wrong at the worst opportune time, IMHO.


