14mercs,

I agree with you, people make mistakes and learn from it. That's a part of life, even if we don't realize we are doing something wrong. Some people have bad instructors and don't always know better untill someone else points out their mistakes.

It apears that some people on this board have never made a mistake and will state that, like bearklr.

Also, show me in the regs where it states YOU CAN NOT SHHOT A DEER IN THE SHOULDER, forget the neck.

T

Bearklr-

[quote]" I have never once wounded a deer while hunting or made a bad shot"

BULL

Unless the deer you shot fell over dead right in its tracks without running a single step than you have not wounded a deer. If your deer have run off they were wounded. They can not be dead until their heart stops beating until that time they are wounded. If we shoot a buck with an arrow and it does not fall over right there and heart stops beating we have just wounded it until blood loss and shock take over.
How long do we wait to get out of the treestand? I wait 45 minutes or so to track the deer. Why? Because the deer could get up and run somemore if pushed. During that 45 minutes the deer was feeling pain it knew to lay down because things were not right. I hope I am making myself clear in saying when we shoot deer with our bow we wound it until the wound takes a large enough toll to kill the animal. If that were not the case we could hop right down and go look at the nice buck we just killed instead of waiting to claim the animal. The 99.99% of deer are not dead from the moment of broadhead impact!!! Do not be a hypocrite folks we all wound deer!

I think that if we were all standing in a circle talking about this face to face that the discussion would be short and sweet. We would move on to more fun things, and no one would act high and mighty

I will give Len - with HUNDREDS of deer under his belt the benefit of doubt.

I am absolutely sure he has the experience, knowledge, and skills to turn that shot into a quick kill..............Probably more so than many criticizing him could do when aiming double lung.........myself included

Pay sucked.......long hours........thankless job..............RETIRED!!


I think the ethics police card gets played pretty quick around here too.

When someone posts a thread that they shot a deer in the neck with a 2" mech that they found in the gargage and scraped the rust off of.........got 1" of penetration and jumped out of there stand chasing the deer for 5 minutes before giving up and trying to shoot another...............I don't think someone who points out what he may have done wrong is being the ethics police

No doubt............his biggest mistake wasn't shooting the deer in the shoulder.......it was posting it here.

I love the arguments regarding 'how we look' if we kill an animal other than the perfect way lol. Like the anti's have a clue what is ethical or not and i can assure anyone that they still hate us, and everyone else, and life in general whether we shoot a deer in the shoulder or just behind the shoulder. They'll hate your guts for alot less than that, they'll hate your guts for wearing leather shoes, having a different opinion about anything, buying a steak or a cheeseburger...the list goes on. The argument about 'how we look' to the anti's is totally moot...they will hate us as long as they remain the stupid, ignorant, uneducated, bleeding heart, hypocritical, liberal morons that they are.(see peta, the love comes right back at ya)

If the thread was deleted to protect the newbies i think that was a move in the wrong direction. I'm sorry, if the newbies are here then they can read and there was plenty of information there for the newbies to learn and know what they should or should not be doing out there. There was alot of experience chiming in to educate the realities of the situation...and most were in agreement of the right thing to do...which a newbie should have easily been able to learn from!

Hey, maybe the broadhead could have been tested on an already dead deer(one shot perfectly behind the shoulder), either way we test ourselves and our equipment everytime we draw on a live animal. Everytime. I wanna try new broadheads this year to see how they do, prolly won't go for the shoulder shot but i hammered a yearling last year with pretty much the same shot at 25 yrds and went clean thru the heart, shattered the bone, 25ish yrds with a 68lb legacy(go mathews). I hit a little further ahead than i expected on a very slight quartering to. It happened, i didn't do it on purpose but for those argueing that Len did it on purpose...bloomin ell. Over 74 ft/lbs ke at 8 yrds with a bambi? I think you'd prolly be fine if you shot it square in the middle of the chest you'd still prolly come out the back end. I can see and understand the justifications for that and also the realities that these things we build can only be tested on inanimate objects for so long. Eventually they are going to make it into the field for testing anyhow so when its about as controlled as that was...i have no issue with that. I found the information gathered very valuable and so should everyone...our nearest obstacle to the kill zone is the shoulder so this is something we should be able to talk about without fear of the pc police getting carried away. It will educate far more newbies discussing these things thru than just deleting the thread. Thats my opinion anyhow. If there are some who have issues with Len testing...like i said...about as controlled as you could get, say your bit and get over the reality that its going to happen, more might as well learn from it. It happens everytime we drop the string on an animal...a test so to speak, we only have so much control over the variables of life.

B

I have never heard it explained this way or have ever met anyone who viewed it this way. Wow![&:][&:]
I'd have to say you are in the minority.
Maybe in all technicality, yes that deer has a wound that proves to be fatal in a few seconds/ minutes...but to consider every deer you shoot wounded until you find it is absurd, and just not how I've ever heard it discussed in the archery world. A wounded deer is one that gets away, whether to live or die is most likely unknown to the shooter. One that gets zapped thru the lungs to drop in 35 yds isn't wounded, he walking dead for a few seconds.

Hey Blakey.......How them ground hogs doing.........LOL

Welcome.....you 8,000 a minute typing freak.........[:-]

So a deer taht runs for thirty yards with a double lung wound is a zombie? Walking dead? Feeling no pain?
The deer is wounded until dead.