Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
03-04-2004, 02:22 PM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: East Yapank NY USA
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RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
I also highly doubt that the material is as strong as the "plastics" used in and on space vehicles and instruments
03-04-2004, 03:06 PM
#12
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,862
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Rack:
Do you believe that the material and the fabrication of the rest is of the same substance, composition, and quality as what is used in space vehicles and designed for use in space?
I also highly doubt that the material is as strong.....
03-04-2004, 05:03 PM
#13
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: CWD Central, WI.
Posts: 2,062
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
I would have thought that for $100 you would get metal.
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C903 - When you tested this rest what did you think about it??
03-04-2004, 05:53 PM
#14
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Convoy Ohio USA
Posts: 587
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
I wouldn't care if I found out it was actually made from compressed racoon crap, it is the best rest I have ever used!! Seriously, I remember when I got my first one I was a little worried about it's appearance and the fact it was plastic. I have shot one on my last 2 bows and have one sitting here to go on my new Outback as soon as it gets here. I love this rest. And don't worry it is very durable. I have been rough on mine and have had it out in every typw of weather imaginable and it has never failed me. Just give it a chance and I bet you will love it.
Seriously, I remember when I got my first one I was a little worried about it's appearance and the fact it was plastic. I have shot one on my last 2 bows and have one sitting here to go on my new Outback as soon as it gets here. I love this rest. And don't worry it is very durable. I have been rough on mine and have had it out in every typw of weather imaginable and it has never failed me. Just give it a chance and I bet you will love it.
03-04-2004, 06:37 PM
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: East Yapank NY USA
Posts: 3,457
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Do you believe that the material and the fabrication of the rest is of the same substance, composition, and quality as what is used in space vehicles and designed for use in space?
With all you have to say about it I figured you had tested it and put it through its paces. It would seem foolish to put it down unless you tested it, and experienced some problems first hand.
So what did you find out??
03-04-2004, 07:25 PM
#18
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,862
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Delrin is a trademark name.
Delrin (Acetal): "Moderate strength; relatively low cost; easy to machine; excellent for general applications where a plastic is desired."
Acetal Delrin® Acetron®: "It is easier to machine than nylon and shows greater stability and moisture resistance than nylon, but is not as wear resistant."
Acetals: " Acetals (DELRIN) suffer from outgassing (odor) problems at elevated temperatures, and are brittle at low temperatures.[/i]
Acetal Limitations: "Acetals (DELRIN) are attacked by ultraviolet radiation, becoming brittle with long term exposure to sun light……."[/i].
All I am saying, is that I personally will not pay $100.00 for a critical component that is made of plastic.
PS: Performance was not the complaint. The fact that the material is plastic was the complaint. Apparently, for those that like "drop-aways," the rest performs well. The question is: How durable will the "plastic" remain and what is the life expectancy....for $100.00?
Delrin (Acetal): "Moderate strength; relatively low cost; easy to machine; excellent for general applications where a plastic is desired."
Acetal Delrin® Acetron®: "It is easier to machine than nylon and shows greater stability and moisture resistance than nylon, but is not as wear resistant."
Acetals: " Acetals (DELRIN) suffer from outgassing (odor) problems at elevated temperatures, and are brittle at low temperatures.[/i]
Acetal Limitations: "Acetals (DELRIN) are attacked by ultraviolet radiation, becoming brittle with long term exposure to sun light……."[/i].
All I am saying, is that I personally will not pay $100.00 for a critical component that is made of plastic.
PS: Performance was not the complaint. The fact that the material is plastic was the complaint. Apparently, for those that like "drop-aways," the rest performs well. The question is: How durable will the "plastic" remain and what is the life expectancy....for $100.00?
03-04-2004, 08:23 PM
#19
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: CWD Central, WI.
Posts: 2,062
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
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Delrin is a rugged polymer that serves as an excellent choice for long-term mechanical stability for products such as fittings and threaded adapters.
Product: DELRIN®
Manufacturer: DuPont
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Good wear and abrasion properties
Manufacturer: DuPont
Material Characteristics: DELRIN is a crystalline plastic which offers excellent balance of properties that bridge the gap between metals and plastics. Delrin possesses high tensile strength, creep resistance and toughness. It also exhibits low moisture absorption. It is chemically resistant to hydrocarbons, solvents and neutral chemicals. These properties along with its fatigue endurance make Delrin ideal for many industrial applications.
DELRIN offers the following qualities:
Good dimensional stability
Low moisture absorption
Excelent Machineability
High Fatigue endurance
High strength and stiffness properties
Superior impact and creep resistance
Chemical resistance to fuels and solvents
Natural grade is FDA, NSF and USDA compliant
Good wear and abrasion properties
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The stiffness of Delrin® improves the brakes of this roller skate
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Glass Reinforced/Filled Delrin® Grades
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Right balance of toughness and stiffness possible in automotive with Crastin®
Boaters Adjust Fender Height in Seconds with Fendergrip®
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Gear Solutions
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New windowlift motor saves weight, works more efficiently
"Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train
Cost reduction and part integration results in metal displacement
Less noise and longer life for gears in Delrin®
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Conveyor Solutions
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Low-friction conveyor chains smooth product handling
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Door Systems
Case Studies
Window guides on Peugeot
Cost reduction and part integration results in metal displacement
Door lock housing and components for electrical mechanisms
Fuel Systems
Case Studies
Fuel level measuring device
Office Automation
Case Studies
Precision gears deliver smooth, uniform motion for high-quality printing
"Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train
Buckles/Zippers
Case Studies
Toughness and colourability for buckles
Unlimited creativity with DuPont Engineering Polymers
Winter Sports
Case Studies
Ski boot "Optima Ultra Light" front strap and ski binding "S8" parts
Just step in, push down and go
Easier sliding and gliding with Delrin® and Zytel®
Just step into new snowboard binding made with Delrin®
Pushing the Limits: Delrin® High Performance Acetal Solutions
Delrin® bridges the gap between metals and ordinary plastics with a unique combination of strength, stiffness, hardness, dimensional stability, toughness, fatigue resistance, solvent and fuel resistance, abrasion resistance, low wear and low friction.
Superior Toughness and Stiffness Combined: Delrin® 100 Series
Case Studies
Door lock housing and components for electrical mechanisms
All-in-one window guide replaces multi-part assembly
New windowlift motor saves weight, works more efficiently
Door opener gears deliver reliable power and savings, too
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Reduced Wear and Friction
Case Studies
Transfer device for the handicapped
Precision gears deliver smooth, uniform motion for high-quality printing
"Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train
Easier sliding and gliding with Delrin® and Zytel®
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Low Wear Low Friction Brochure (460K)
Delrin® Wear & Friction Selector (40K)
UV-Resistant Delrin® Grades
Case Studies
Boaters adjust fender height in seconds with Fendergrip®
Delrin® does it all in ventilation grilles
Just step into new snowboard binding made with Delrin®
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Toughened Delrin® Grades
Case Studies
Transformable Inline Roller/Iceskate uses two DuPont Engineering Polymers
Easy skating or walking with Delrin® and Zytel®
Greater design flexibility for new Nordica Rollerblade
For stopping power and toughness, brake of Delrin® is the skate champion
The stiffness of Delrin® improves the brakes of this roller skate
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Glass Reinforced/Filled Delrin® Grades
Case Studies
Right balance of toughness and stiffness possible in automotive with Crastin®
Boaters Adjust Fender Height in Seconds with Fendergrip®
Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific
Gear Solutions
Case Studies
New windowlift motor saves weight, works more efficiently
"Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train
Cost reduction and part integration results in metal displacement
Less noise and longer life for gears in Delrin®
Engineering Polymers for Gears from DuPont (926K)
Conveyor Solutions
Case Studies
Low-friction conveyor chains smooth product handling
Delrin® the backbone of success
Conveyor belt
Door Systems
Case Studies
Window guides on Peugeot
Cost reduction and part integration results in metal displacement
Door lock housing and components for electrical mechanisms
Fuel Systems
Case Studies
Fuel level measuring device
Office Automation
Case Studies
Precision gears deliver smooth, uniform motion for high-quality printing
"Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train
Buckles/Zippers
Case Studies
Toughness and colourability for buckles
Unlimited creativity with DuPont Engineering Polymers
Winter Sports
Case Studies
Ski boot "Optima Ultra Light" front strap and ski binding "S8" parts
Just step in, push down and go
Easier sliding and gliding with Delrin® and Zytel®
Just step into new snowboard binding made with Delrin®
Pushing the Limits: Delrin® High Performance Acetal Solutions
Delrin® bridges the gap between metals and ordinary plastics with a unique combination of strength, stiffness, hardness, dimensional stability, toughness, fatigue resistance, solvent and fuel resistance, abrasion resistance, low wear and low friction.
03-04-2004, 11:33 PM
#20
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 65
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Gents, The Zero Effect has gone through changes, most of them for the better, but recently Muzzy has cheapened out on this product in my humble opinion. It should NO LONGER be a $100 rest! BUT, the Plastic is NOT the problem!!
Many of the parts that were previously nicely machined and a reason for the high price, have been replaced by cheap stampings. Even the quality of the anodizing appears lower to me on the current production runs.
While the Zero Effect previously had a nicely and accurately machined Axle bold made from bar stock Stainless, the ones that I have used recently have had a much lower grade of axle bolt that is swedged and have had very poorly cut (rolled) threads. We have both measured and taken photo-micrographs of these parts and are personally dissapointed by Muzzy's choice to cheapen out on the construction. I thought about sending copies of the micrographs to Muzzy, but to what end? They know that they are putting out a different grade of part. Maybe this should be a $50 rest, as it seems to no longer be built like a $100 one.
While I have been a huge fan of the Zero Effect for several years, and have many bows with Zero Effects, I have switched to the Trophy Taker Shaky Hunter with Micro Adjustments on my latest bows. The Tropy Taker is a fine rest and one that the manufacturer doesn't seemed to have cheapened out on.
I had always thought that Muzzy took pride in their quality, but with respect to the Zero Effect, I no longer feel that way. Be your own judge, but don't worry about the plastic.
Many of the parts that were previously nicely machined and a reason for the high price, have been replaced by cheap stampings. Even the quality of the anodizing appears lower to me on the current production runs.
While the Zero Effect previously had a nicely and accurately machined Axle bold made from bar stock Stainless, the ones that I have used recently have had a much lower grade of axle bolt that is swedged and have had very poorly cut (rolled) threads. We have both measured and taken photo-micrographs of these parts and are personally dissapointed by Muzzy's choice to cheapen out on the construction. I thought about sending copies of the micrographs to Muzzy, but to what end? They know that they are putting out a different grade of part. Maybe this should be a $50 rest, as it seems to no longer be built like a $100 one.
While I have been a huge fan of the Zero Effect for several years, and have many bows with Zero Effects, I have switched to the Trophy Taker Shaky Hunter with Micro Adjustments on my latest bows. The Tropy Taker is a fine rest and one that the manufacturer doesn't seemed to have cheapened out on.
I had always thought that Muzzy took pride in their quality, but with respect to the Zero Effect, I no longer feel that way. Be your own judge, but don't worry about the plastic.