C903, glad to see your still hanging around.
Len you are correct I knew I forgot to mention something. You really need to paper tune at at least 3 different distances. Len is dead on the money. I have got bullet holes at 3 feet from the paper and had tears at longer distances. I personaly like to tune at 3, 8 and 15 feet. I am not trying to convince anyone to use the WB, just presenting my findings after using the rest for a year. I also need to say that I do like the WB, but just finished installing a Muzzy zero effect on my bow. The MZE just gives me more options. I some times forget that not everyone tunes their bows at differnt distance.

Two Beards:

No, I'm not a big fan of the WB and I don't hide that fact. I find it to be a major problem for those who don't know how to tune properly and for those who think they know how to tune a bow, but don't. I see too many going for the arrow capture feature and ignoring basic archery architecture.

If you feel a need to use a captive rest of this sort, it's one of your basic choices. Another would be the APA product, which might be a slightly better design, because it doesn't mess with your fletchings and introduce 100% arrow/fletching contact. That is if you know how to tune that rest as well.

In reality, even your drop-away rests offer various problems. Knowing and overcoming these problems is what many don't even consider.

5 shot answered your question to me. He and I discussed just this question when we met at the ATA Show. You are all very fortunate to have someone like him. He is very dedicated to archery and does a tremendous job analyzing products from a layman's point of view. Good job, Chris.

Len: Do you think that you could describe how you would set a bow up for those guys that don't have a shop close enough to go to? Perhaps you could offer an opinion on arrow spine? Maybe a few pointers on adjusting the windage on a rest? Could you decribe where you would reccomend placing the nocking point on the bowstring? There are many who would value your advice on these things in the spirit of archers helping other archers. Please step up to the plate and take your swing Len. We anxiously await your pearls of wisdom on these matters. On behalf of archers everywhere we thank you in advance for your help. Good luck hunting!

5shot and Len - Don't all rests need to be tuned? How is the WB different? Len, what is the APA product you mentioned? The only other rest similar to the WB that I've seen is one by Golden key (I think it was called a Funnel) but it seemed too hard and I didn't like it. It seems the main knocks on the WB are vane contact and loss of speed which most I've read who actually use them don't seem to have much trouble with. Everything else seems like any other rest. Also, 5shot, you mention the MZE gives you more options. Can you expound? (that is a word, isn't it? ) Thanks guys.

The MZE gives me more options when it comes to fletching and arrow length. It provides total clearance so I can shoot 5" feathers and not have any problems as well as shoot some of the softer vanes. These would include the new NAP vanes I want to try out. I saw the APA rest at the show and it did apear to do well. I shot one installed on a Bow Tech Liberty and it seemed like a sound rest. It is funny though that the WB is made for hunters, but in order to get the max out of it you really need to know how to tune a bow properly. The "false tune" is one aspect of that. I like the WB, but I know and understand it's limitations and it's strengths. It took about a year to fully "get the picture" though.

i put one on this year and could kick myself in the butt for not doing it when they first came out.... It is the best most reliable rest ive ever used, and its hard to explain to someone who dont understand it, but if you try it, chances are you will feel the same.....

5shot,

I am curious as to how much of a speed loss may occur with straight vanes if the biscuit is not trimmed?

Len thank you for the kind words. Frank To be honest I did not test it without trimming. I believe the rest needs trimming to preform best, but becuase you asked I will find an untrimed bisquit and and shoot some to see. I susspect probably a couple of feet per second more than without trimming, but I won't know for shure until I try it out.

I'm not a bagger of the bisquit as I have 3 different bows set up with this rest (another one with a drop away), but one of the main cons I see aside from the already mentioned "false tune" is the added distance of arrow travel that can be translated into the shot when torquing the bow.
I know torquing the bow when shooting is not desired and should be avoided, but when using a full capture rest the results of doing so are magnified above that of a drop away rest. imho

Morale of my little rant= keep your form good and don't torque the grip during the shot and you'll be a-ok!

Long live the biscuit (unless it's covered in gravy)

Len,

I'm not really sure what a false tune is. Are you referring to a paper tune or to a type of group tuning? I tune my W.B. just like I tune every other rest I've ever had and it works great. I group tune at 20 and 40 yards. Then, I bareshaft tune to get my spine where I want it. It sometimes takes a little time to get horizontal and vertical arrow placement correct at each yardage, but in my opinion a bow is not tuned until it is group tuned.