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I got an email from this site promoting great deals, one was their featured outfitter "Old Stone Fence" which is a captive game farm offering canned hunts behind a fence. Basically pay a fee walk in and shoot the farm raised animal that has no fear of humans. Is this what we want to promote as hunting? The text of the ad said:

In other words lazy and just want to shoot a big one to brag to your buddys? How can hunting that involves farm raised animals even be considered under fair chase rules? Who's rules are these anyway, certianly not B&C or P&Y. How can any hunt that offers a 100% kill rate be fair chase? If we don't take a stand now this will be the future of hunting, total privatization of the sport. I bet the real outfitters out there who hunt wild animals are unhappy to be associated with this industry that has been trying to make us all believe that what they do is called hunting. It's not, it's called shooting.

I for one will not buy anything promoted on this site, and will write the website owners.

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And so the real agenda raises its head and speaks - taking with it all the credibility of what was spoken.


I wouldn't go on that hunt if it is what you say it is - but it is legal - and my own way of hunting is not the holly grail of others.

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That is certianly NOT my agenda. Only offering an alternative, one that doesn't promote canned "hunts" to those who don't know. Take a look around you, this industry is slowly making in roads into our sport. It's all part of the plan by the game farm industry. As a life member here you should know better than to brush this off as a personal agenda.

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If what was described is accurate, I would not hunt there. I really would hope the Huntingnet.com would not endorse such a thing either. I hope this does not offend the fine people of this site also. I come here almost daily and enjoy the forums. But supporting a captive hunt is not hunting.

On the other hand, if the hunt is taking place on free roaming animals that are in a fenced in 10.000 acre ranch or something to that extent, thats different in my opinion. The free roaming range of most whitetails is not even close to that.

I'm not saying that my form of hunting is considered holy or anything, but I am ethical about my hunting decisions. If P&Y or B&C wont except it, it may be an issue as far as I'm concerned.

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Stick

I did not see the add - do not know about the "farm"

So I really can't comment on anything more then the obvious.

And I am still on the fence when it comes to these canned hunts. There existence does not anger me like it does you and some others.

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I will pass your concerns onto the administrators of the forum.

Personally, I would not hunt in a situation such as what you described though I did not see the advertisement either.

Now as for the fight site..uhh, I mean the Bowsite..that is another matter entirely.

;):D

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I guess he read Stealthycats post yesterday on the Bowsite about this and came over to check it out.

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I checked in to the Old Stone Fence a while back and on their site and talking with them in person it sounded like a good guided hunt with great potential. How ever, when I called them back to possible book a hunt the $ came up and you pay for how big you kill. The guy told me they would "release" the animal you bought and you could kill it in the woods. I guess that is where their "fair chase" comes into play. However I am sure huntingnet is not able to look over and pick apart each advertiser. If it bothers you that much, make them aware of the situation and go from there.

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I am sure its hard to check out the scruples of each advertiser, even legalities may be involved, I have no idea about that.

Contact Hunting.net with your concerns.

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I will contact the site. I guess my real concern is the fair chase statement, as if they are trying to disguise this as a real hunt (and an outfitted one to boot). I had an issue with the NRA hunting mag too earlier this year, they had a story of a guy who hunted a game farm in UT. He said it was the hardest hunt he has ever been on, but guess what, he shot a nice bull I think the first day. Since the back of the mag is full of advertisements for these places they never printed my letter, and I am a life member.

There is certianly a gray area as far as size, but these animals are raised by humans just to be shot. They are not wild. The fenced area is irrelevant. Anyone here remember the old CBS "documentary" The Guns of Autumn? Game farms are what they portrayed as hunting in the US and it probably turned more people into anti hunters than anything else. That is my concern with trying to integrate captive shoots with hunting wild animals.

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I understand that people don't care for the so called canned hunts I for one don't approve but if it is legal why do we have to seperate one group of hunters from others. you see this deception with baiting, hounds, archery vs gun the focus should be on preserving hunting as a whole not what you believe or dis believe in. I don't care for a lot of things other hunters but I support them because they are hunters....

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I personally wouldn't participate in a canned hunt, but I have no problem with others who want to harvest an animal for food or personal trophy. It's no different than going to the grocery store for beef, there is 100% chance you will come out with beef, same can be said for canned hunts.

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Yep. I certainly do. What a nightmare that was watching it.

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That is hunting for some people. If it's legal and you got the money go for it.
I don't try to shove my idea of hunting down anyones throat. I don't think any of you should either.

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I personally would never hunt in a high fenced area because, as belle island put it, it really is the same as going to the grochery store to buy beef. Thats' not what hunting is all about. If can compare it to grocery shopping, it really cant be called hunting at all.

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theres shooting and theres hunting.caned hunts are shooting i don't care if it's 10 acres or 10000 acres it's shooting. whats the differants seeing the deer yourself on 10 acres or having a guild point it out on 10000 acres.the point here is the game is there your just waiting to shoot it. it's not hunting.hunting is looking for game that may or maynot be there it's finding it YOURSELF that's hunting not paying someone to find it for you.yes i'm a poor bas&^&^ and i'm not a lazy arse that has to be pointed around and cared for because i'm to stupid to find my way back.does it bother me HE^^ no

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Better yet, when you contact admin regarding your concern......why don`t YOU advertise something on here. Regardless of some peoples belief, this site does not run on oxygen. It runs on money.

And, just to head anybody off at the pass.....I have never even seen the ad, I am not connected to the business.

I would be willing to bet that the outfit in question follows all laws pertaining to its operation.

Be very careful when riding a tall horse...it is a long way to the ground.

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There are hunters and there are killers. I guess it's up to the individual what they want to be. The idea of buying an animal to release and kill is pretty pathetic to me.

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People "buy" farm raised game birds that are released "into the wild" to be "hunted" at preserves all over the country. Probably some of you have been to one.

I for one will not participate either type of penned hunt. But like others have said, how can you dictate who can hunt what as long as it is legal.

If it bothers you then I wouldn't stop at contacting this forums admin, I would contact your congressman and some sporting coalitions and try to change the law.

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High fences, food plots, feeders, controlled hunting pressure all contribute to a "canned hunt" as I see it.

There are farm animals and there are wild animals. Some people like to pick out their meat and others like to work for it.

It has been said, often on this site, that a "trophy" is in the eye of the beholder. However, a lot of Outdoor shows and hunting videos have been continually showing these "canned" hunts and making it look easy.

I even had a guy that likes to fish and watch these outdoor shows ask me why I hadn't gotten a buck yet. He doesnt hunt and can't understand why I would spend 20 days in the woods pursuing a buck. He said, "just go to an outfitter and get one."

These hunts may be legal and they may appeal to a lot of hunters. That doens't automatically mean that they should be endorsed by all as far as I am concerned.

TBO

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Interesting, seems like I remember this rearing its head sometime in the past too. ;)

Sad part is, no one cares one way or the other, they didn't then and they don't now - the bottom line is $$ and ethics and doing the right thing has nothing to do with it.

This site gladly accepts money from canned killing preserves and calls it Hunting. It is not, and never will be hunting. Its legal slaugter, no different than killing a cow or a pig - but nobody calls stock yards "hunting" do we ? Its growing in popularity will be a great asset to Anti-hunters everywhere.

So yes, the site you are a "member" of advocates and endorses canned "hunting". If you care about it, you are in the minority and nobody here cares one way or the other anyway. Accpet that, and go on, theres little else you can do no matter how wrong it is.

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bowarrior - What do you think of a "hunting" site that has those types of "hunts" as sponsors ? Kinda hypocritcal, don't you think ? Its like an anti-fur company selling furs, or a anti-alcohol company owning a liquor store IMO

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I think it's hypocritical to be indignant about this, but to keep using the services of the site. If it is truly that offensive to someone, then they shouldn't be utilizing this particular site. They should be patronizing another site that has similar benefits, but different sponsors. JMO

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But Muskrat...... it's the off season for a lot of folks. We got to have something to "beesh" about. Nyuck nyuuck Nyuck....

And another thing. These shouldn't be called hunts, but rather slaughter... just like in a slaughter house. Herd them into the old corral and "TWACK" you're it.

...... NO THEY'RE NOT!

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:DI'm gettin ready for a "canned" hunt next weekend. Hand raised hogs. My success rate better be 100% and I will take 3 animals.

In this case am I the farmer? or hunter?[8D]

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Canned hunts are LEGAL,plain and simple.I don't and won't hunt this way but some do and that is their choice.Surely there has to be a better and faster way to separate and divide the few remaining sportsman that are left.[&o]If we're not bitching about canned hunts then we're bitching about each others ethics or methods--where does it end?Maybe everyone would be happy if they just did away with hunting all together?Believe it or not we are all on the same side in the big picture.I think if we keep finding things to fight over maybe we can eliminate all forms of outdoor activities that involve the use of weapons.

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Zel, Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical that you made a big stink about this before said you were leaving the site under protest and then came back using a different handle?

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I have no real issue with people killing animals on these farms. My beef is they are trying to sell this as a hunt equal to wild animals. Why else would they say fair chase rules apply? How could they? These places are the future of hunting in some peoples eyes. If you want real hunting to continue we need to keep these activities separate. Why would anyone want to hand ammunition to the anti-hunters? I don't defend poachers or unethical hunters for the same reason. Anti-hunters claim we don't care about the animal, we are lazy and it's all about killing and bragging. When it comes to canned hunts THEY ARE RIGHT.

The arguments we use to defend hunting do not apply to game farms. Keep in mind it's not us vs. the anti-hunting crowd, it both sides trying to influence the non-hunting public's perception. It is they after all who will determine if we can hunt in the future. They are the majority, we are a minority.

Watch The Guns of Autumn for a real perspective and you'll know what I mean. Besides the public perception of hunting game farms also have other issues like diseases and genetic pollution to consider too.

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To each his own. This CRAP isn't for me but if someone wants to shell out big buck$ for a big buck by all means. The only problem I would have is it these "PETS" were allowed in the record books. I could care less if someone want to hang one on their wall. I PERSONALLY PREFER TO EARN MY ANIMALS!

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And your point? I haven't hunted behind a high fence enclosure. And I would not go to a corral, point out my deer, have them turn it loose, then hit it in the head with a hammer as it eats out of my hand.[:@]

But.....Would I go hunt the King Ranch in Texas which is high fenced? You Bet I would. If only I could afford it. Bigger than the entire state of Rhode Island, these folks manage their wildlife herds. Deer included. My brother in law lives near San Antonio, TX and from his place you can look out and see a part of the King Ranch. This ranch is huge! Just go to google.com and type in King Ranch, then take a look at it and some of the deer they have.:D If you don't like these setups...don't go! Easy enough.

And finally, we've beaten this poor dead horse to dust.[X(] I'm guessing that in the next couple days we'll see another crossbow bashing post.[:'(]

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Here is the deal. There has to be a market for these hunts or they would not exist. The reason high fences exists is that ranchers who own big ranches and tried to be selective about what they shoot would lose deer to the neighbor who would shoot the first thing they see. I see peole on here all the time talking about not shooting this deer or that deer; let them grow and on and on. That is what these fenced ranchers are trying to do. Just because a deer is inside a fence does not make them pets or tame. 10,000 acres is probably more land than most deer cover over their lifetime. They also do a great deal of managing which bucks are taken so the better genetics will be pasted down the line. Like it or not it works to get huge deer. Many of those places are not "shooting fish in a barrel". Some are. I wouldn't want to hunt in a place that was too easy but most are not as easy as they look on TV. Now I don't like it myself, but I can see the other side as well. I believe the deer belong to all the people not just those who own large amounts of land. But there are those who try to buy a small piece of land right next to a large ranch so they can shoot the deer coming off of that property. If I had the money to own such a place that would not make me real happy.

I have been hunting on open public land and kill deer within minutes of getting in my stand. Should I pass on those deer because it wasn't hard enough? People wait all year to hunt and when they get an opportunity they want to take game. Not everyone has been brought up hunting and know what it takes to hunt free ranging deer. Noone has ever shown them. So if they can afford to hire a guide to take them and have a good chance for success more power to them. A house divided can not stand.

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So, they just want to make it so the young bucks don't go to the neighbors property and get shot. Hmmmmmmm......that sounds more like fair chase to me. Size of the property enclosed is not the issue, as far as I am concerned it is the fact that all elements(food plots, feeders, hunting pressure) are all controlled. Also, many have defended these places and stated, "I wouldn't hunt these places." If that's the case then why so intent on defending them? I don't consider my way of hunting to be better than everyone elses, but I don't accept hunts inside fenced areas as "fair chase." Would I hunt the King Ranch if I had the money. NEVER!

I would consider hunting public land in TX and if I went home without tagging a buck then that would be just fine with me.

TBO

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funny stuff here.

bowarrior, sir-huntsalot, mnsterbuckslayer and stickhead are all the same person posting under different names

maybe not bowarrior, but it wouldnt suprise me.

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Another Sybil.. I hate when someone does that.

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Seems some of you are getting caught up in the grey area between wild vs captive. Sure there are places that are huge like the King ranch. But the place being supported by this site apparently buys, breeds and releases animals just to be shot. Clearly this is a long way from intensively managing wild animals (which is certianly an issue too but with not as many people). Is it fair to say hunting in the US also includes someone shooting a captive breed, born and raised farm animal in a fenced enclosure? That is the main issue for me.

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I have been a bowhunter (never gun hunted) of biggame starting my 46th year.
I have been fortunate to have hunted many states on public ground and bagged many an animal from Bears, Mule Deer, Elk, Whitetail & Canada several times on guided successful hunts for Bears & Caribou. 2 years ago I wanted to extend my Bowhunting in the off season & did research on high fence/low fence/no fence Exotic & Hog Bowhunting in a few states . In the past 2 years I have Bowhunted 9 times(making a video) for such in all 3 types of facilities & beleive it or not-enjoyed every one of the trips. None of the facilities were no kill-no pay or a guarentee or Trophy fee added to a kill. They ranged from 1 small facility for hogs (200 acres) not high fence to 4200 acres high fence. I was skunked 3 times on high fence operations-saw the animals but never offered a Bow shot or close enough BUT yes, my chances were better than Whitetail hunting my back yard that is full of deer most of the time. This year, I have NOT taken a Whitetail but my 1 tag is being saved for HORNS this year & I have passed on more Does than I can count & many 8-6 & fork horn Bucks. I have taken many Deer over the years & some very respectable Bucks. I just want to get one more nice rack b/4 I go to that happy hunting ground (If the man upstairs wants me to). Thou I like the Bowhunting Exotics, even high fence, I would not consider taking a Whitetail under those circumstances. I guess it is a double standard. I have rambled & made no point at all but feel SOME of these facilities have their place & others do not.
I am not going to say it is hunting as we know hunting is BUT can be just as much fun & exciting as any other trip into the woods. Merry Christmas to all-life is short so enjoy your family b/4 it all passes you by.

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Charlie P - Stealthycat never returned, so in a way, I did keep my word that he'd never post here again. ;) Besides, I am man enough to admit being a little over zealous sometimes. VC was right about that - although this explanation has little to do with a Hunting Board having canned hunting sponsors. Again, its like AA having a liquor store sponsor, PETA owning a fur shop or the ACLU firing someone because they were gay - Kettle meet black, black meet Kettle (saw that the other day, thanks JRW for those cool words)

To ya'll who don't get it .... you will eventually. When States begin to legislate wildlife on the popular vote - and 90% of non-hunters see canned hunting as the ONLY way to hunt, ya'll will be right there where trappers are, where lion hunters are, bear hunters etc etc.

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Last year we had that very advertiser drumming up biz by asking the fair chase question about his 67 acre fenced game farm for red deer. Got kinda nasty. I still don't like it but not due to the killing of the animals since I am a killer myself. It is no different than a farmer killin a pig for some city dude to eat. Here in Arizona you can put in for a buffalo tag and if you get drawn the F&G guy goes out with you and tells you which one to dispatch. Good eating and I hope I get a tag but it aint hunting. It all boils down to hunters have two nuts, guarantee hunters have one nut and PETA pukes have no nuts.