Help with an ethics question.
11-21-2003, 02:13 PM
#12
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
First off, thanks for the opinions.
I have let him know how I feel about his actions, and on the plane back he appeared to actually care and even admitted to feeling poorly about his actions. But now that he' s back, around the same people who care more about total inches than total experience he' s back to being the same guy who went out hunting instead of looking for a badly hit deer. In fact, he' s finding it more comfortable to avoid me than deal with his shame. The story has even started to evolve leaving out the parts that aren' t flattering. I believe he' s even getting excited for his " official scoring" . WhooooHoooo .. what a way to make Pope and Young.
It' s 1 thing when you witness this with someone you don' t know in the woods .. a whole different animal when they were sitting at a table at your wedding.
I have let him know how I feel about his actions, and on the plane back he appeared to actually care and even admitted to feeling poorly about his actions. But now that he' s back, around the same people who care more about total inches than total experience he' s back to being the same guy who went out hunting instead of looking for a badly hit deer. In fact, he' s finding it more comfortable to avoid me than deal with his shame. The story has even started to evolve leaving out the parts that aren' t flattering. I believe he' s even getting excited for his " official scoring" . WhooooHoooo .. what a way to make Pope and Young.
It' s 1 thing when you witness this with someone you don' t know in the woods .. a whole different animal when they were sitting at a table at your wedding.
11-21-2003, 03:26 PM
#13
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: North-Central/NW WI
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
That' s really too bad. I' m with everyone else here. It sounds like you have your mind in the right place, and he DOES NOT. Sometimes, for whatever reason-that happens to a few people. Most die hard hunters, with die hard ethics stay that way. But every once and a while, I think they get too good. They get so good they have to impress people, and they can' t stand to fail. It sounds like al lthe glory may have gotten to your friend.
It' s easier to say than do, but you might want to keep hounding him about this. If you think you lost a friend already, you don' t really have anything to lose. If you keep telling him, and he really thinks it over, he might turn back to his old(good) ways. If he doesn' t, you did all you could.
I' m really sorry to hear about this, and I hope it turns out for the best. If it makes you feel any better, you sound like a great guy with rock solid ethics. I' d be happy to have someone like you as a hunting buddy, providing you don' t snore too loud in the cabin(but if you do, there' s always a good supply of ear plugs, so we' ll take you anyway).
peashooter
It' s easier to say than do, but you might want to keep hounding him about this. If you think you lost a friend already, you don' t really have anything to lose. If you keep telling him, and he really thinks it over, he might turn back to his old(good) ways. If he doesn' t, you did all you could.
I' m really sorry to hear about this, and I hope it turns out for the best. If it makes you feel any better, you sound like a great guy with rock solid ethics. I' d be happy to have someone like you as a hunting buddy, providing you don' t snore too loud in the cabin(but if you do, there' s always a good supply of ear plugs, so we' ll take you anyway).
peashooter
11-22-2003, 08:15 AM
#14
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
I think the best thing about this post is that YOU had the respect and responsibility to recover that buck. You are a model of what a bowhunter is all about. Not only was it not your buck, but the guy didn' t want to waste hunting time in Iowa?? So he lets you " waste" your hunting time. Not that it was a waste because it was probably the best time spent there recovering that buck.
This is why I only know 2 people that I will ever hunt with. I' ve hunted with a lot of guys and watched them come and go. Sometimes not by an experience like yours, but simply the way they talk gives me the creeps. Sorry you lost a good hunting buddy, but your ethics are in place not his.
Again I commend you for your efforts on that deer!! way to go.
This is why I only know 2 people that I will ever hunt with. I' ve hunted with a lot of guys and watched them come and go. Sometimes not by an experience like yours, but simply the way they talk gives me the creeps. Sorry you lost a good hunting buddy, but your ethics are in place not his.
Again I commend you for your efforts on that deer!! way to go.
11-22-2003, 08:28 AM
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
Ma Jay,
Kudo' s to you and well deserved.
I didn' t read where this was a do it yourself hunt or outfitted....I' m assuming do it yourself because no outfitter should have stood for that, no reputable one anyway and like was mentioned above, although Hoyt probably has no idea who this guy is and he' s probably more self proclaimed shooter, I' d find out who might have staffed him as far as shop, dealer, rep etc...and inform him that he might want to rethink his invitation. What a slob.
Kudos again to you.
Kudo' s to you and well deserved.
I didn' t read where this was a do it yourself hunt or outfitted....I' m assuming do it yourself because no outfitter should have stood for that, no reputable one anyway and like was mentioned above, although Hoyt probably has no idea who this guy is and he' s probably more self proclaimed shooter, I' d find out who might have staffed him as far as shop, dealer, rep etc...and inform him that he might want to rethink his invitation. What a slob.
Kudos again to you.
11-22-2003, 08:51 AM
#16
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
It appears that there are a couple of shooters here that are partisan (selective) regarding who violates ethics and who can and do violate the same ethics but with impunity. I guess the demand to be ethical is gauged by popularity of the shooter. [:' (]
11-22-2003, 08:56 AM
#17
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
It appears that there are a couple of shooters here that are partisan (selective) regarding who violates ethics and who can and do violate the same ethics but with impunity. I guess the demand to be ethical is gauged by popularity of the shooter.
11-22-2003, 05:32 PM
#18
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
MaJay, I' d be honored to share a deer camp with you.
C903, I see your pushing the envelope again [X(]. Will you ever stop? I' m with Rob, just what are you talking about?
C903, I see your pushing the envelope again [X(]. Will you ever stop? I' m with Rob, just what are you talking about?
11-22-2003, 05:49 PM
#19
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RE: Help with an ethics question.
MA Jay, first off, congratulations on doing the right thing!
Unfortunately for you, doing the right thing is not always easy. It seems pretty obvious to me, from reading your initial post that this incident is really bothering you. Sorry you had to lose a good hunting buddy this way, but I would do the same thing.
Hopefully this guy will realize what a mistake he made, and make things right with you. He should start with a heartfelt apology for the entire episode.
As someone else already mentioned...YOU are welcome at my camp anytime!
C903, everybody knows what you`re talking about...........nope, ain`t going there!
Unfortunately for you, doing the right thing is not always easy. It seems pretty obvious to me, from reading your initial post that this incident is really bothering you. Sorry you had to lose a good hunting buddy this way, but I would do the same thing.
Hopefully this guy will realize what a mistake he made, and make things right with you. He should start with a heartfelt apology for the entire episode.
As someone else already mentioned...YOU are welcome at my camp anytime!
C903, everybody knows what you`re talking about...........nope, ain`t going there!