I was hopeful, since I always love doing a little experimenting, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. $100 worth of product isn't much in terms of purely independent third party product testing, you'd think he'd jump at the chance to let me prove myself wrong in public.

Hey NoMercy, not that I would like to see you spend good time either proving or disproving a product, but no matter what your results would prove in the long run, I still wouldn't buy it. I just feel that it is trying to build a better mouse trap and at people and deer/animals expense. My .02 cents.

100% agree amigo.

I don't mind if someone builds a better mousetrap and it honestly IS better (carbon shafts really are better than wood, for example), but this one just isn't there.

As you can well imagine, we have had many requests for free product to "try" or "test". I'm quite sure that you will not get free products from any Mfg just because you are skeptical. Being an upstart company with more expense than income so far, it is not realistic to expect us to hand out product for free. The other concern is that giving our product to someone who has already been slamming it on a public forum without having used it or even seen it work, is not a good idea. If someone does the above, they are likely to not follow the instructions assembling or using the product properly, thereby giving us poor review due to their incompetence. Have you watched the FB videos? I have test shot this product through development and production. I have also killed deer with it. Pretty sure that I know more than anyone on this forum how it works as I invented it and backed it with my time, money and effort. You can be skeptical, but you should not make determinations about something you know absolutely nothing about. It's very simple, buy it and try it or don't. If you do and it works I hope you have the integrity to retract what you have posted. If you don't, have the integrity to say you have not tried it and know nothing about it and choose not to. I have been very busy and don't get on these forums often so please don't expect fast replies. I am not avoiding any criticism, just busy trying to provide for my family and produce an American made archery product that improves the likelihood of harvesting an animal even with a poor shot (bone impact). The comment about "at animals expense" or whatever is crazy. This product will insure a more humane harvest even with a less than perfect shot. Rather than a deer for example running off with an arrow in it's shoulder, with the Slidehammer it will penetrate the vitals even through the shoulder. I know, look at the photo of the buck I shot with it this season. It dropped in 20yds or less, arrow through both front shoulders.

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I understand that you, as well as other Mfg's, don't/won't send out products at your expense for others/skeptics, to try. BUT!! When a more or less challenge is made to test your product at anothers expense of time and products to either verify or deny that your product is everything you claim and maybe more, to allow a non-associated independant tester to do this, you would allow it? Most companys call that "Product Testing". A tax write off later, for R&D. And with you being the so called inventor/promoter, you would know this.
Especially on a forum such as this, for the possible future sale of said items!!! And if a product that makes claims that it is the best of the best out there. And does everything that the others in that department either cannot or does it better because of its claims. Gives people/users a sense that they now can take a less than ideal shot for they now have this new product that will allow them to do this and then still does not harvest that animal cleanly or at all, as the product advertised, IS at the animals expense, and not crazy, just facts!!!!!!
When I see it out on the major sporting dealers shelves for a year or two, and hear peoples reports of how good it is working and has done for them with photos and videos to back it up, I MAY consider it. Till then, I will stick with what I know works for me. And as far as your buck, I also just took a buck this past Nov., field dressed at 219#, double shoulder shot at 21yds, broadhead penetrated both shoulders, mechanical at that, and dropped/died 29yds from point of impact. Double lung/heart shot. Broadhead was perfect afterwards. Just resharpened and put on new arrow.

There are a few things that I think you may be misunderstood about. First, I don't need anyone to R&D or test my product. I have thoroughly done that and proved that it does in fact work. I have made videos (FB page) of side by side comparisons with and without my product shooting sheets of various thicknesses of plywood using various bows and arrows of different makes, models and weights. I have also used it in the field with great success. Second I do understand the benefits and tax deductions available, but again I don't need your help with this. Third, I never made any claims to be "the best of the best". I really don't know of any other product like mine on the market to compare it to. Patent search did not discover anything similar enough to be considered an issue in this area. Fourth, every hunter who spends any amount of time in the field knows that things happen, and not every shot is perfect as planned. You can shoot daily, as I try to for months before season, and still have some unforeseen issue when the shot is made. Nobody will hit a vital pass through every time, all the time. My product is designed to help with hard hits on bone etc, and have little to no effect if hitting soft tissue. You need to understand and use something to speak intelligently about it. Anybody can make comments and speak negatively about anything, but I want to hear facts and numbers. The Slidehammer TM is based on basic physics. Force= Mass X Acceleration. When you rearend the car ahead of you and are not wearing your seatbelt, you are likely to hit the steering wheel or put your face through the windshield right? If you had a truck with 2000 pound weight that was loose in the back and hit a tree, it would come forward and smash the cab would it not? Wouldn't the weight make the truck hit harder? Same thing on a smaller, faster scale. I Figured I would need to give a simple minded nay sayer like yourself a more basic explanation on how it works since you have not seen it or used it. Great story about your buck, but It has no bearing here as it sounds like you did not hit much, if any, bone which was the point I was making about my deer. The Slidehammer is designed to insure penetration on hard impact such as bone. I have proof to support my claims about the Slidehammer TM (videos, dead Bucks with holes through their shoulders!) and I am okay with people being skeptical but not okay with someone making conclusions to others without having actually tried it or even seen it in person. Anybody can talk, blah blah blah, I heard, I think, he said, she said, I didn't do my research but...., I never saw it but, I never used it but.... How about backing up your talk with "I bought it and tried it and..." How about, "I witnessed my friend (Ted Nugent or whoever) shoot it and ..." instead of, "I never held one", "I never bought one", "I don't know anything about it really but..."

I can see it now, u draw the bow and lean towards the ground to aim. You hear this device sliding down the shaft so you rush the shot. The device blows the nock out of the shaft and who knows what happens next. In my testing with heavier arrows, heavier heads it takes a lot of weight to make a substantial difference. In target shooting at 60 yards, 25 grains in head weight alters impact less than 2" and very little penitration difference. On a recent hunt several shots were not pass throughs with normal hunting weight arrows. So we began questioning arrow weight, speed, animal size, shot placement etc. Then one in our group makes a kill and returns to camp after a 300 yard tracking. Here is the thing that will make you go hmmmm. He is 7'6" 34" draw length, 680gr arrow @ 290fps with insane KE. The shot was quartering to. The arrow enters a 210# whitetail behind front shoulder angling towards the opposite side rear flank area. No pass thru and never hit a bone but rib on entry. Doesn't make sense but it happened. I shoot at 60 and 80 yards just as most shoot at 20 and 30. My setup penetrates deeper in the target at those distances than it does at 20 and 30. Why? I believe its momentum (energy) has moved towards the front of the arrow before impact at those distances. JMHO.

Well NAAP, this will be my last reply to your product/gadget. I greatly appreciate the break down so my simple minded, nay sayer self could understand. I see that my 3.9 GPA, 3 LEO acedemies graduating in the top 5% of each, honors in 2, Masters degree in Criminal Justice, needed that to tell me that when I see or hear of something that no one else here seems to understand nor agree with either, can understand. And would you not consider the scapula of a deer, bone? Not to mention two of them?
And as many others here have said, it is nothing more than basically a piece of metal, drill bit, whatever, inside the shaft that will transfer its weight forward upon impact. Period. I do not have to see it nor do I have to use it to have enough insight or basic working knowledge of what is going on to make a predetermined acknowledgement of that I do not want it, nor see many others either.
Wish you and your product the best, when and IF it ever comes out on the market for anytime longer than this thread has lasted. Out.

I would hope that the product sells enough such that the executive leadership committee for New Age Archery Products ("Nap" will always be New Archery Products" to me, can't believe you'd name your company that close on purpose) will be able to hire a social media/public relations professional...

Very well said!