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Old 07-31-2003 | 12:30 AM
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" Main" scent glands does mean that " glands" are the only part of your body that emits odor, nor does " main" mean the only area. Your entire body is a scent factory or carrier.

Baking powder does nothing. If it did, it would be briefly effective. Odors in your breath are not created just in your mouth. What about the smell of the Bi-Carb?

Hey! If it gives you confidence go for it. However, deer care less about your confidence.
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Old 07-31-2003 | 01:33 AM
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So now your saying that all the hunters who have used and continue to use baking soda as a mouth wash and tooth paste for all these years are wasting their time too?[]

c903 , are you for real? You remind me of Cliff Claven!
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Old 07-31-2003 | 01:34 AM
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I spent the last hour looking around for some info about activated carbon in general. I found that this guy has very good points. I went to many manufacturers sites, air filter sites, water filter sites, industrial filter sites, and clothing sites to get this info.

Activated carbon will only absorbe a certain amount of particles before it becomes uneffective. It then needs to be reactivated in extreme heat, like 1500 degrees. The house hold dryer won' t cut it.

I found that when wet it actually absorbes oxygen and can cause dangerous oxygen deficent conditions, Like a wet face mask.

I also found that activated carbon contains quarts which is a known carcinogen (sp) IE: it causes cancer.

Also when wet the activated carbons effectiveness is virtually squat. Chuck Adams agrees with this one too.

It is advised not to get it onto your skin, inhale it or ingest it.

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Old 07-31-2003 | 01:57 AM
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It' s obvious a few folks around here wont be purchasing scent containment clothing[] No sweat off my arse!

Here' s a quote by a famous hunter we all know that I try and live by when it comes to hunting.

" Hunters will never be able to completely dodge a buck' s sniffer, but if you focus on all you can do, you can dramatically even the odds of doing it a lot of the time."


If you' d like to know who it is and what he feels about scent containment clothing , heres the link..
http://www.outdoorsite.com/site/go.c...DB4B5387F27ED2
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Old 07-31-2003 | 02:42 AM
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Bob Foulkrod, good guy! I have shot bows with him a few times.

I have yet to use any of the carbon hunting cloths, but a buddy of mine uses them regularly and has way better luck with them than without.
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Old 07-31-2003 | 03:51 AM
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Wow! That dude is obviously not biased nor does he seek sponsoring money! NOT!

Never said that any form of scent control is a waste of time. I just do not buy medicine from the " Medicine Man."

As for baking soda. Just how long do you believe that baking soda that is dissolved in your mouth will work as a mouth freshener? Much of breath odor comes from the lungs as from your mouth. Do you suggest inhaling baking soda? In addition, baking soda is an alkali. Once the alkali is dissolved into the system, guess what is found in perspiration? Yep, alkali! Guess what activated charcoal cannot trap. Yep, alkali? Carry and chew fresh parsley.

I am an advocate of psychologically induced confidence, even it means carrying a rabbit' s foot or a polished rock in your pocket. However, facts and reality still have and will always have the best odds of providing success.

If you believe the stuff works, go for it. In the end, it is always a personal call.



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Old 07-31-2003 | 04:54 AM
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You can say what you want about carbon clothing , but I' ll keep using it because it does work . I consider any clothing of this type to provde only temporary protection , so I buy them cheap and dispose of them when the season is over . At $15 per set this is easily affordable .
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Old 07-31-2003 | 06:52 AM
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I guess I have to fall on the sceptical side of the fence when it comes to carbon activated suits. I don' t think it is any secret that I have felt that way for sometime. Anyway since I had a chance to " play" with one. It is possible that in some cases they may help but it is very difficult to scientifically document. Even the old " onion test" that I have seen performed with them has flaws in my opinion.

Like so many of you I have bow hunted for a long time and in the course of a season had many animals downwind of me. Many times they pass by unalarmed. I have oftened made the comment that if I were wearing a carbon activated suit in those instances I would " think" that was the reason they went by and I was undetected. But the facts are, I wasn' t wearing " a suit" and the animal didn' t detect me for any of a hundred reasons.

I can' t think of a single product that has generated the kind of revenue these carbon activated suits have, with no solid, irrefuteable evidence to back up the claims. They have become a major player in the hunting industry without question. The problem with that is they become sponsors of many people we look up to and trust, i.e. Bob Foulkrod, Will Primos, the Drury Brothers, Gary Clancy, etc. When was the last time you heard one of these guys say anything bad about one of their sponsors products? It ain' t going to happen either! It cracks me up when Mark Drury lays his bow over they buck they have just recovered and announces it is a Hoyt Havoc. As if to imply that he wouldn' t have got the deer unless he was using that product. But if you are in their shoes what is a guy going to do? Sponsors are part of the infrastructure of their business. It is however a lot easier for me to believe in a product when that product is contributing to my lively hood, especially in a case like this where it is popular and cannot really be proven not to work.

Almost any other product has tangible boundaries we can test. We can check the draw weight of a bow and chrono it' s speed to make a comparison of what was advertised versus what we bought. We test everything we use, broadheads, arrows, releases, sights, quivers, stabilizes, silencers, and on and on it goes. But all of these have tangible boundaries which makes it easy to decide what works and what doesn' t. But with these suits we are in a gray area.

I' m sure I won' t hurt the scent industry with my opinion. Obviously most people are sold on their ability to work. But you know a lot of people show marked improvement in their health when they are fed nothing more than a placebo. That is kind of how I look on the carbon suit. It is definitely an expensive plecebo.

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Old 07-31-2003 | 06:56 AM
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I guess I will find out this season if it " helps" . Have a Goretex Supprescent suit to try out this season. Nobody that I know of thinks of it as a cureall as we all know there is none, we just do what we can to hopefully cut down the odds of being scented. All I know is this..I have spoken with several seasoned hunters who have tried it for a few years and they swear it helps. As far as the medicine men and gadget freaks, many moons ago most hunters that I know thought drop-a-way rests, mechanical broadheads and other various items were sold just to make manufacturers rich.

I have bowhunted since 1977 and have NEVER had a mature buck come in downwind of me, and I' ve taken a few and seen several others.
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Old 07-31-2003 | 07:13 AM
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I' m no scientist .. but I did take a few biology and chemistry classes in college, plus I am an American so I have something to say.

In the article it is quoted
The manufacturing process consists of two phases: carbonization and activation. The carbonization process includes drying and then heating to separate by-products, including tars and other hydrocarbons, from the raw material, as well as to drive off any gases generated. Heating the material at 400–600°C (752-1472°F) in an oxygen-deficient atmosphere that cannot support combustion completes the carbonization process
Now I just love people who take a little part of the whole picture and then claim they have the whole answer. In the article it rightly claims that we as hunters wear these carbon infused suits to " absorb" .. which is technically wrong as we wear them to " adsorb" .. there is a huge difference chemically speaking .. VOC' s or Volatile Organic Chemicals.

Now my point .. WHY would it take the same tempature, " 1472 degrees F" , " which seperates by-products, including tars and other hydrocarbons from the raw material" to simply release the VOC' s that the carbon suits adsorb from the human body? Are you telling me that you have to take steel to 2500 degrees F to clean it .. NO! There was a reason they initially heated the raw prodoct to 1472 degrees .. and that was to MAKE activated carbon. Does anyone really think anything the body is releasing in the form of perspiration through pores in the skin is going to require the same heat intensity as seperating carbon from tar and other material when it is broken down from coconut shells, coal or wood? The whole throw your suit in the dryer to reactivate it is not to " reactivate" activated carbon .. it is to heat the VOC' s adsorbed by that carbon to the point where they become vapor again and are released into the dryer and out the little flap on the back of your house into your yard.

The reason this is possible is because your suit does NOT act like a sponge as the article stated .. when you think sponge you think of liquid being absorbed into the sponge till it reaches it' s saturation point .. adsorbtion is more like spilling a glass of water onto your floor .. it spreads out and forms a large pool on the floor .. activated carbon is like your linoleum floor, it just has LOTS more little dimples and pits that let the water flow into. You don' t have to melt your floor to dry and clean it either!

Like I said ... I' m no rocket scientist ... but I' m also no dumba$$. I know my " carbon suit" works .. not perfectly of course, but it helps. If scent control is something that is important to you and you can afford it they are to be considered. Saying they don' t work at all is just plain wrong.
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