PA Hunter

What I wrote is my opinion, don't mean to cause any waves.

There are always variables. I would say that the 8 inch brace height would be more forgiving with all other variables being equal.

I'm a little confused, are you saying that accuracy and forgivingness are one in the same?

Bobco,

No waves here...just a friendly discussion.

Forgiveness is a characteristic of the bow itself, determined by a variety of factors, not the least of which being axle to axle length, brace height, riser design, cam style and mass weight.

Accuracy, to me, would be being able to put the arrow where I intend it to go...repeatedly (related to consistancy). Accuracy is directly affected by the forgiveness level of the bow since it is much easier to be consistantly accurate with a larger brace height and longer axle to axle length bow.

I think we are both on the same page....the only disagreement I would have would be in the percentage that the archer versus the equipment play in accuracy....I would be more inclined to a 50/50 split....but that is just my opinion.

PA Hunter,

Yes, I would have to agree that we are probably just having a linguistic problem more than anythhhing else.

I view forgivingness as the variable of the ability of the arrow to minorly correct itself either coming off the bow or in flight to minor other variables affecting it. There are many variable that will affect this including the bow, brace height, ATA, feathers vs. vanes, type of arrow rest, type of broadhead or field point, spine of the arrow, release, ect., ect.

Yes, I agree that forgivingness does affect accuracy.

But, does accuracy affect forgivingness? So can they really be considered one in the same?

I believe that accuracy, in it's pure essence, with all other variables being exactly the same, depend more on the individual and their skills.

True, if a person does not hit dead center are they considered accurate. I would have to ask other questions before answering (if it was not a tournament of couse). Is the person grouping arrow. If yes then it was another variable that was off, not necessarily accuracy skills. I could keep going, but I think that you understand what I believe.

Thanks for the chat.

its not that a bow with a longer a.t.a. is more accurate,its that the bow is easier to balance.think of it this way,if you are walking the high wire,would you be more balanced with a long stick or short stick. also i think your shooting form is a lot more critical with a short a.t.a. bow

Everybody, This is some great input you all have given me. It's beginning to clear things up a bit. These are all important things to know before I purchase a bow. I want to make sure I get the right one for me.

billygoat,

I am glad to hear that you are getting something out of this...

Bob-co,

Our past few posts seem to all stem from this statement that I made...

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What I meant, is that it is easier to pay attention to form issues when in a more controlled environment....such as a 3D course where we know the &quot;target&quot; isn't going to move before, after or during the shot. We have more time to make judgements on distance and to mentally &quot;follow through&quot; with shot preparation and execution.......which isn't usually the case when bowhunting.

In stating &quot;accuracy/forgiveness&quot; I was not implying that they were both the same or that they could be used interchangeably but rather that the two are almost always linked....especially in an extremely &quot;stressful&quot; situation such as bowhunting.

Thank you, sincerely, for the &quot;unheated&quot; debate. That is one of the reasons that it is so refreshing to post here.

PA Bowhunter

&quot;Thank you, sincerely, for the &quot;unheated&quot; debate. That is one of the reasons that it is so refreshing to post here.&quot;

Agreed. And thank you.

I ask the same ? not long ago. I decided to go with the CyberTec. Some people might think that 36&quot; is long. I dont. I think as long as your form is good shorter brace heights wont affect you that much as long as the bow fits you good. Something I think a lot of people over look is weight of the bow. It should be obvious that a heavier well balanced bow will be more stable. This is why I went with the CyberTec. I do almost as much shooting as i do hunting.

Well I don't know about the Cybertech, but I held a Havoctech with XT2000 limbs and the Versa Cam tonight -- and that baby was SWEEET! I loved the draw stop, and it felt really, really good. Seemed like a perfect little hunting bow.

MQ!, did you have to fuel the fire by saying,&quot; the perfect <font color=red>little</font id=red> hunting bow. Kidding. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>