As far as negating blazers selling point, I really do not believe it does. Ive cronied both straight and helical with no noticable difference. Besides, blazers were designed to stear fixed broad heads, which they do well. Helical is induced to help stear broadheads. Helical and blazers work well together. Besides, the amount of helical you can get with a blazer is rather minimal. There is always a compromise when it comes to speed and accuracy. With a compound, speed is never an issue. Thus the whole idea behind quickspins. (which I will never endorce due to their noise and shabby construction). Quickspin had an issue with losing too much speed and haveing a greater drop out at further distances, but did make the arrow more accurate. That really is not an issue because you could always lower your further pins.

Chrono-ing them wouldn't play into their claim. You could Chrono feathers v. Blazers and not get a discernable diff. (I'm betting). What their claim is......is that feathers and larger vanes make the arrow spin more....and the loss of speed (related to increased drag) will affect DOWNrange accuracy. So, at "normal" bowhunting distances.....I don't drink their Kool-aid. If you shot it through a chrono at 45yds......then I'd think it might tell us something. But....I'm thinking that's a futile exercise, also. What's the point?

My point.....exactly.

I put as much helical as i can and still have good contact with the shaft no matter what vanes I'm using. I also shoot the Duravanes predators instead of the blazers with a WB without any problems

What I am trying to get across to you is that regardless of how short the vane may be, the degree of helical is the same for a given diameter of arrow provided the jig and clamp are set up properly. A 5 degree helical is a 5 degree helical no matter if the vane is 1" long or 5" long. Just because the length of the vane changes does not mean that the degree of offset or helical changes. It stays the same with a helical clamp.

What you two are referring to is nothing more than visual problem that you are confusing with geometry.

To put it another way. If you have a box and you draw a line from one corner to the other. Does the angle of the line change if you stop drawing that line half way there?


As far as robbing your arrow of speed down range by fletching a blazer with a helical twist it will not matter until you are well beyond what any one should shoot at a live animal. I am talking at least 60, 70 yards. The speed loss at hunting distances would be so minimal that the added stability would far out weigh a few FPS speed loss.

IMO you should try to figure out why you are not getting good flight, rest, cams, nock, etc. I have 3" vanetecs and do not have a problem, but if I do, then I correct the problem. For broadheads, I am using rage so no problem there. Just my thoughts. On another topic, pulled the hunting rig out tonight and the rest on the limb driver cracked in half. Now that is from a lot of shooting to crack stainless. I do need to decrease the angle a bit on the hunting rig. Comp bow is perfect though. Good thing that did not happen in the stand. Gonna order a couple extra.

OK........

Very well put bb.

So what you're saying is......a 1" helical would do the same thing.....because "it's still helical"?

I'm not denying the fact that you can put "a" degree of helical on them. I'm questioning if it does any good (negligible).

Of course I have to lab to test this but....

A 2" blazer was designed to control an arrow at least as well as a 4" vane so in theory a blazer fletched helically(sp) will work equally as well as a 4" helically fletched vane and possible better depending on what type of material the 4" vane is made of and how well that vane stays rigid in the "wind".

Of course it may very well be negligible but looking at the pics I posted I can't see how the straight vanes would create nearly the amount of spin or drag as the helical vanes.

AGAIN, though.....the "Superiority" of the blazers (according to the folks who make them) occur at downrange distances.....AND they say (check my quote from Bohning) that spin is evil (actually the more they spin.....the more they drop....thereby negating the "advantage" of using them).

So....is fletching them (no matter what the mfr says) helical "ideal"?

It would be nice to know (just for ****s and giggles) how many more revolutions the helical gives you (with blazers) over offset....and straight......at 20yds.

I suppose 1/2 (more) is better, though, huh?