Rage BHs
 

I shot the Rage 2 blade last year and was disappointed to say the least. I swore to never use them again, then I got to thinking maybe I would try them out of my new bow since it was much faster than my older bow. I decided to contact Rage and see if they thought I should use the 40KE heads this year, that was two weeks ago. I never heard anything back from them and that really bothers me. How can they have the money to pay for all the advertisements they have but not to pay someone to email customers back. I was more disappointed with their customer service than I was with the way their BH preformed. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem or if it was just me.

It boggles my mind that they couldn't send me one email. You will never see me shooting Rage products. :pcwhack:

Sorry to hear it. Move on. Case closed.

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well said sir

The 40KE heads are designed for bows shooting less KE. What is your setup. What are you shooting for speed? Im shooting the 2 blade and Im just about able to hit the same hole over and over.

So you want to use the Rage heads that are designed for SLOWER bows in your bow that is FASTER than your last one? Doesn't sound like the broadhead is the issue.

Customer Service Hah, hey look at it this way when you have one of the most popular broad heads on the market you really dont have to worry about pleasing a few people. Your selling to millions of others who want to use whats on television. lol

Thats what I was thinking. Sounds like he could have a tunning issue or hes just not consistant. Maybe he should move to the 3 blade??

Tuning issue is what I was thinking. Just switching broadheads is not going to cure the problem. If he can't a Rage head to fly right, I would have to see how a Muzzy flies!

If he tries the muzzys let me know woich direction hes shooting ill make sure im either in Mexico or Canada..lol. It really sounds like a tuning issue but hes not really telling us what kind of issues hes having.

Four deer with the two blades and only one pass through. I'm done with them, and moving back to a fixed head.

Why was he disappointed with the Rage heads.....he never stated what issue or why he was not happy with them. Was it arrow flight, pass through issues, blades flying open?

im goin to the rage 2 blade and i hate all custemer service ppl

I don't understand why everyone is so infatuated with pass throughs, however, i'd say shot placement/angle are at fault, what kind of penetration were you getting, a lot of times if an arrow blows through bone on the way in and hits bone on the way out, it will stop dead. not knowing where he hit these deer , im going to guess and say he was aiming for heart instead of lungs. the lung shot is by far the best for a complete pass through

You get much more blood with an exit wound, and if you get a complete passthrough the arrow can tell you where the animal was shot (stomach/lungs). I would much rather know that i hit the animal too far back before tracking and possibly pushing a gut shot deer. I'm not saying that i have ever gut shot a deer but ____ happens and i would like to know that i am prepared for when it does.

Thats not the bh's fault:poke: Shoot a smaller head if you dont have the ke/momentum to make a HUGE/RADICAL head pass through.

I could care less if anyone uses rages. My experiences with them, are just that... Mine... BUT... Its a bit different when their is an obvious operator fault.

Not trying to point fingers here or anything like that. And like GMMAT has said before, I do agree that their marketing scheme causes many many people with inadequate ke/momentum to choose these radical heads over a more suitable setup for their bows. But... They are in the business of making money, and they are doing just that so I cant blame them too much:s2:

Either find more KE, or shoot a smaller head if you want a pass-thru(anyone, not just you dstubb, just using you as an example).

Derek

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Umm.... that's what i am doing now. I used the Rages the first year that they came out, before most people including myself were aware of these issues. My first deer with the Rage was a complete passthrough, the second was not, then after that i was curious if i had maybe hit the shoulder bone, so the third and fourth were both experiments to determine how they worked out of my bow. :hit:

Great! Like I said, didnt mean any harm although it may have sounded that way. I think too many people are in the same boat as you were though b/c of ignorance of the products physical principles, and their marketing techniques.

I agree with many "a dead deer is a dead deer". That is true, but if there is no blood to follow and your deer went 60yards through a thicket, its not gonna be easy finding it.

Shot placement is the key.

More fussing over the Rage.:action-smiley-099: I have not shot them and I might love them but happened to be in BPS a couple of days ago and in an aisle FILLED with dozens and dozens of differing brands of BH's everyone was lined up for the Rages in their particularly pretty packages.

Why?? Even if they are the best thing since sliced bread these for the most part "Rookies" at BPS are buying them because of many glossy pages of advertisements.

As far as customer service they just don't need to provide any. If they lose a customer there are five more just waiting to take their place. :cry:



Just find ANY BH out there that your bow likes to shoot and you will be all set. It's not the BH but rather where you put it. :s2:

I shoot them and love them but they are not for everyone you need the energy and shot placement to make them work I am sick of everyone bad mouthing a perfectly good product because they don't have the right setup or make bad shots. Just realize that sometimes it can be your fault

Just a question have you checked your spam box to make sure they didnt reply and it was sent there.
I emailed NAP once and for some reason the reply was sent to my spam box.

Wow... never met so many physics before, how do you guy's seem to know what my setup is and where my shot placements were?

I think you mean "Physicists".....and I'm pretty sure the issues with the rage BH can be narrowed down to 2 things:

1. User error/ignorance
or
2. Improper setup/setup incapable of producing enough energy (see, also, no. 1)

I had great success.. it lit up every deer I sot with them last year.. I was using the 3 blade.. No complaints from me.. But I understand that they are terribly contriversial? ;)

No i meant what i said. physicists are not mind readers, but physics are. Here come the GMATT sirens, are you going to write me a forum ticket?

You mean PSYCHICS?

Yeah. You'd have to be a mind reader to understand that's what you meant......lol. No need for a ticket. But if you're gonna make fun of others.....I'd suggest you reside in a stone house.;)

I've use the rage 2 blade, for 2 years now. I have to agree that shot placement is always the key for a pass through, but even if you don't get a pass through the large cutting area they provide allows plenty of blood to track with. My 8 year old nephew shot a doe last year ( lung shot ) with a 40lbs Starter bow. Still was a super easy track, so I'll still use them, did hear of a new BH with a 2 1/2" cut? hmmm

I wouldnt even shoot that out of my setup which is producing over 90#'s of KE...

I kinda like a pass through so I can retrieve my arrow and be able to reuse it.They are too expensive to break on each deer.

Well I bought some today not because I'm a fan but because the guy who ran the shop I was in did me a favor and I wanted to help him out. Bought one of my boys a recurve too. I'll giv'm a shot and see.

Believe it or not (the shop owner didn't either even after he spun it on the axle) the top cam bearing in my Hoyt pro tec went bad and started chewing up inside. You had to squeez the bearing between your fingers and turn the cam to feel it but once you did there was no mistake about it.

I dislike poor customer service myself. Ya can't really go by an email though, but companies that do a good job with their emails get bonus points.

Do you mean Psychics?

I tried the 3 blade last year. Only took one deer and made a bad shot, so I haven't made my mind up about them. I pulled the shot and spine shot a small buck in the neck. Deer dropped right there but was still alive. Had to get out of my stand to make a follow up shot. I put the follow up shot from about 10 yds or so up through the sternum and the arrow went up through the spine and was sticking out about 6 inches. Pretty good pentration if you ask me, but what really got my attention was the blood loss on the follow up shot. It was like a frickin hose coming out and deer was bled out in about 10 seconds. Hopefully I will have a better idea how they perform after a properly placed shot this year.

I dont think there is any excuse for bad customer service, no matter how well a company is doing.

I also think the posts blasting the guy for not liking the broadhead are uncalled for, he was commenting on the customer service not the broadhead itself. People are entitled their opinions

I've shot at least 6 or 8 deer with the two blades, I have had one not pass through because I hit the far shoulder. All deer were down within 80 yards. I love everything about them besides the price but you get what you pay for I guess. Although a few of the rages that weren't bent or too banged up shot more then one deer. It doesn't always happen but if you get lucky you can reuse them.

My only complaint about the Rage broadhead was that the blades would not stay closed an i felt that i had to constantly check them before shooting. I tried to spin the washer around to see if that would work and know improvement. i did shoot a deer with one and it was a pass through but the broad ending up losing a blade (i guess for ground impact). I am going to try a fixed broadhead this year. the slicktrick 100grain. Any insight on these?

Im gonna say you nailed it G..

Wow.. So any problems Rage users may incounter is attributable to ignorance. Seems a bit harsh but heck I don't use them and if you like them live it up and if you don't look at one of the other 50 brands of BH's you could buy that would work just fine.. :rolleye0011:

To call another human being ignorant because they had a bad experience with a broadhead is ridiculous. The fact that some people would rather call someone stupid than concede there may be some issues with an inanimate object, like a broadhead, says something about their character.

X2!!!!!!!!!

You guys are reading too much into my statement. Ignorance isn't a dirty word. I'm ignorant RE: brain surgery.....and many other things. That's not derogatory. It's a fact.

I never called anyone "Ignorant".

My statement cited user error (i.e. shot placement for the equipment utilized) and ignorance (i.e. as to the proper tuning REQUIRED to push a head of this magnitude). An arrow that is not OPTIMALLY tuned to the bow (marriage between the two) is SEVERELY at a disadvantage when pushing such a large head. I was IGNORANT as to this fact. I thought "if it flies like my field points....I'm good". The problem was...although my FP's were hitting where my pin was....the arrow wasn't flying true. BAD......

So dont read anything into my statement......other than exactly what I said.

It's true.