It's Hard to Understand Some "Pro" Shops.
08-29-2009, 04:12 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
Posts: 2,520
All archers should, at the very least, know how to setup and maintain their bows and arrows. Nock height and centershot are just not that hard. Neither is getting the arrow spined correctly and tuning the bow and arrow together. I am constantly amazed at the numbers that have been bowhunting for years and don't have the faintest idea about these basics.
08-29-2009, 04:16 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,876
It's possible most pro shops have no head for business and really don't care to, it's not their primary source for income. They are just you (not in skills obviously) with a title and they charge. More like a garage sale that people for some reason pay retail prices at.
The thing that doesn't make any sense is it's not difficult at all to do it right. Guy just lost a customer (s) and a potential friend (s). Makes no sense at all.
The thing that doesn't make any sense is it's not difficult at all to do it right. Guy just lost a customer (s) and a potential friend (s). Makes no sense at all.
08-29-2009, 04:46 AM
#13
Boone & Crockett
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Location: Hughesville, PA USA
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08-29-2009, 04:55 AM
#14
Boone & Crockett
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Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Hughesville, PA USA
Posts: 18,322
All archers should, at the very least, know how to setup and maintain their bows and arrows. Nock height and centershot are just not that hard. Neither is getting the arrow spined correctly and tuning the bow and arrow together. I am constantly amazed at the numbers that have been bowhunting for years and don't have the faintest idea about these basics.
It's possible most pro shops have no head for business and really don't care to, it's not their primary source for income. They are just you (not in skills obviously) with a title and they charge. More like a garage sale that people for some reason pay retail prices at.
The thing that doesn't make any sense is it's not difficult at all to do it right. Guy just lost a customer (s) and a potential friend (s). Makes no sense at all.
The thing that doesn't make any sense is it's not difficult at all to do it right. Guy just lost a customer (s) and a potential friend (s). Makes no sense at all.
I'd **** too many people off too when they walked through the door a week before the season asking to set up their bow for the first time so they could hunt. I'd tell them to get out. LOL j/k.
08-29-2009, 05:51 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Adirondacks
Posts: 1,305
I'm lucky to have a good tech nearby.The guy actually went to both the Bowtech and PSE factories and was trained over several days on setting up,fine tuning etc.He has the diplomas on the shop walls.
08-29-2009, 07:15 AM
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 415
What makes the Rezeen so hard to tune? I don't have my own shop but I set alot of bows up for people. I have done about 15 bows so far this year. I have not had any Rezeens to set up so I want to know before someone brings one to me.
I like shooting the bows also after I set them up. That way I know what each bow shoots like, it helps when I go to purchase one.
I have shot some bows that are advertises that they have no shock and all kinds of speed that really were terrible bows in my opinion. I have also shot low end bows that don't get the advertisement and they are really great bows. It also helps me point people in the right direction when buying a new bow. No everyone wants $1000 to $1500 wrapped up in a bow.
I like shooting the bows also after I set them up. That way I know what each bow shoots like, it helps when I go to purchase one.
I have shot some bows that are advertises that they have no shock and all kinds of speed that really were terrible bows in my opinion. I have also shot low end bows that don't get the advertisement and they are really great bows. It also helps me point people in the right direction when buying a new bow. No everyone wants $1000 to $1500 wrapped up in a bow.
08-29-2009, 07:35 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Titusville Florida
Posts: 1,727
Talking about "Pro Shops", I went to our local shop and saw the "pro" mount a prong style rest backwards. He had it on the front of the bow with the prongs pointing towards the shooter. I really like supporting the local small business owner whenever possible but this guy is an idiot.
08-29-2009, 08:05 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 3,058
The Reezen def does not adhere to typical Mathews (singlecam) setup-
1) For many years Mathews has had the standard of 13/16" out from the riser for centershot. It used to be you could set it to that and assuming an appropriately spined arrow, arrow flight was on the money. The Reezen tunes quite a bit further in-5/8" is more common.
2) the Extreme reflex in the riser, makes it a bit more difficult than many other Mathews bows as well-if you have the typical problem of torquing a Mathews grip, it's really going to be an issue on the Reezen.
3) Idler wheel lean is more critical as well. It needs to be dead nuts- most of the other Mathews bows are a bit more forgiving in this regard. A twist or two out on one side can cause havoc.
Being that even when centershot and idler lean is corerct your sight pins are going to be way off center (I've yet to see one that isn't), I'd say the bow may have some issues with horizontal nock travel. A Whisker biscuit would definitely help tame this.
I'll say this- when the bow is on the money, and the archer is on the money, the bow is scary accurate- but it is a finnicky beast.
1) For many years Mathews has had the standard of 13/16" out from the riser for centershot. It used to be you could set it to that and assuming an appropriately spined arrow, arrow flight was on the money. The Reezen tunes quite a bit further in-5/8" is more common.
2) the Extreme reflex in the riser, makes it a bit more difficult than many other Mathews bows as well-if you have the typical problem of torquing a Mathews grip, it's really going to be an issue on the Reezen.
3) Idler wheel lean is more critical as well. It needs to be dead nuts- most of the other Mathews bows are a bit more forgiving in this regard. A twist or two out on one side can cause havoc.
Being that even when centershot and idler lean is corerct your sight pins are going to be way off center (I've yet to see one that isn't), I'd say the bow may have some issues with horizontal nock travel. A Whisker biscuit would definitely help tame this.
I'll say this- when the bow is on the money, and the archer is on the money, the bow is scary accurate- but it is a finnicky beast.
08-29-2009, 08:51 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,282
I have to agree
I have to agree with Bruce on this statement.
Also if you open any kind of shop no matter how good you are people never really want to pay, at least not enough for you to make a descent profit. Most will just go to the big box stores and shoot their untuned bows to save a dollar.
Also if you open any kind of shop no matter how good you are people never really want to pay, at least not enough for you to make a descent profit. Most will just go to the big box stores and shoot their untuned bows to save a dollar.
All archers should, at the very least, know how to setup and maintain their bows and arrows. Nock height and centershot are just not that hard. Neither is getting the arrow spined correctly and tuning the bow and arrow together. I am constantly amazed at the numbers that have been bowhunting for years and don't have the faintest idea about these basics.
08-29-2009, 10:45 AM
#20
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: outback Australia in england now
Posts: 603
i wont use any so called pro shops here in the UK first there orientated towards target archery and the last guy that came to our field archery club after buying from a shop over here had the wrong arrows for his bow the wrong draw length and a realease rest while shooting fingers
it was just a matter for the shop of taking his money and getting rid of him he told me the shops name and i have heard many bad reports about them but there still going if i had the money and time i would start my own i at least know how to look at an arrow chart and set up a bow been doing it for a long time now but i cant believe how much they dont care over here
thats part of the reason i buy all my gear from the states and the internet i should mention i had three shops back home in australia
it was just a matter for the shop of taking his money and getting rid of him he told me the shops name and i have heard many bad reports about them but there still going if i had the money and time i would start my own i at least know how to look at an arrow chart and set up a bow been doing it for a long time now but i cant believe how much they dont care over here
thats part of the reason i buy all my gear from the states and the internet i should mention i had three shops back home in australia