TFOX

In indoor target archery,you shoot slightly longer to get behind your shot and be able to relax into the shot.


In 3-d,you need a little more back pressure per se to be able to pull off the uphill and downhill shots,while maintaining good form and BT.

To me 3-d is about the same as hunting,others it might not be.


You can adjust BOTH,the loop and draw of the bow to get the DESIRED feel and anchors for each.

TFOX

Different styles of releases,Different A-A bows,How the bow is setup,IE,loop and it's length.

All these things play a part in how the shooter will set his bow up.The draw length of the bow will vary in many cases,not just the loop length.

GMMAT

Again....I assumed we're talking about the same archer; utilizing the same bow and utilizing the same release method/aid. Assuming this model archer is fitted, correctly, will his DL change if his loop length changes? I would "think" this is the scenario most people are referencing.

I shot a longer DL when I switched ATA & models within the same bow co. No epiphanies, there.

TFOX

Yes,all my videos was with the same bow.I might have been switching back and forth from my Carter to my BT but I shoot both at the same exact settings.28",long loop and 28 1/2" short loop.


They do not feel the same,they are different.But both are "correct" and the loop is part of that equation.

TFOX

Assuming the same bow and same release,will the archer need to increase his draw length if he shoots without a loop,verses with one?


It really is as simple as that.He has to to get his BODY into the "CORRECT" shooting position.His anchors will change/adjust to ensure the body positions are correct.

GMMAT

We could go round and round on this, but obviously it's pointless. Your anchor changed AND your equipment changed. You've introduced criteria outside the "model" I presented.

Same archer. Same bow. Same release method.....ONLY anchor changes when loop is altered. DL will NOT change.

TFOX

The question of the thread is does the loop affect the draw length.You are trying to make this 1 dimensional,it is not.


Now,to your question, if the shooter has the draw length he wants and he changes the loop length,something has to change.Anchors CAN NOT just be adjusted back because the body positions are not correct(elbow slotting).Therefore,he needs to adjust the loop back to the desired length or shorten the length of the bow,which may or may not be what he likes.Even though his body positioning is correct now.

GMMAT

That's a matter of "choice". But I agree....SOMETHING has to change. We just disagree on what that is.

Let me ask you a yes/no question.....

If you have determined your proper anchor position for the release aid you plan to use......and you know which bow you want to shoot.....AND you have determined the CORRECT DL for your chosen style.......

.....Now you want to change your loop for this EXACT setup.

Will your DL change if you alter your loop length (if you do not change anything else)?

Yes or no?

For you to shoot this setup....I agree....something will have to change. But that'll be your anchor points (assuming, again, you maintain proper fitting).

Using your "logic", an archer could shoot a 25" DL and a really long loop....and have the loop affect his DL. I'm a little more realistic than that. Is he still properly fitted?

TFOX

Again,refer back to my other posts.

They work together.If a loop is added(where one was not previously on the bow),you can not just adjust the anchors.You must shorten the draw length.That can not be disputed,except by you.You have a way of doing that.

That is where this whole post originated from.Does a d-loop change your draw length,the answer is yes,it does.Assuming one was absent before.

GMMAT

Holy cow. I give up.