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To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
The state government is trying to pass a house bill 968 which would allow anyone to hunt with a crossbow during the archery season if they chose so. This is not right. That is like allowing rifle hunters shoot deer with guns during bow season. If they do this they should have a special crossbow season at the end of bow season. What is yall's opinion?
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Here are the people that we must tell to keep bow season for the archers and for the handicap archers and not for the lazy.
State Senator Craig Estes (R-30) Chairman (512) 463-0130 [email protected] State Senator Carlos Uresti (D-19) Vice Chair (512) 463-0119 [email protected] State Senator Glenn Hegar (R-18) (512) 463-0118 [email protected] State Senator Juan Hinojosa (D-20) (512) 463-0120 [email protected] State Senator Mike Jackson (R-11) (512) 463-0111 [email protected] |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
In Florida we have a 2 day crossbow only season right after archery only season...
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
That's what just happened in PA. I barely knew about until it was passed. If you want to voice your opinion, you better do it. ;)
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
When you think about it: archery is the art of shooting an arrow with a vertically hand held bow and crossbow is shooting a bolt (projectile) with a horizontal machine held bow. It seems to me that they are totally different and the crossbow acts and looks more like a rifle than a bow and arrow.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
I really don't see the big deal with it. I know people that shoot one due to shoulder injuries and I don't see that it increases their chances of shooting a deer. Also I haven't seen that they are more accurate than me at the range. If they are ethical hunters it really doesn't extend their range in which they can shoot, 40-45 yards should be the longest shot. I'm not saying I'm for it and hope it stays for people with disabilities here in Illinois but if it changes it's not a big deal. JMO
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: hammerman I really don't see the big deal with it. I know people that shoot one due to shoulder injuries and I don't see that it increases their chances of shooting a deer. Also I haven't seen that they are more accurate than me at the range. If they are ethical hunters it really doesn't extend their range in which they can shoot, 40-45 yards should be the longest shot. I'm not saying I'm for it and hope it stays for people with disabilities here in Illinois but if it changes it's not a big deal. JMO I can also tell ya that crossbows have been around for a few thousand years also....well... I won't go any further on the subject, it's already been hashed out in many many threads and forums. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: targethogs ORIGINAL: hammerman I really don't see the big deal with it. I know people that shoot one due to shoulder injuries and I don't see that it increases their chances of shooting a deer. Also I haven't seen that they are more accurate than me at the range. If they are ethical hunters it really doesn't extend their range in which they can shoot, 40-45 yards should be the longest shot. I'm not saying I'm for it and hope it stays for people with disabilities here in Illinois but if it changes it's not a big deal. JMO I can also tell ya that crossbows have been around for a few thousand years also....well... I won't go any further on the subject, it's already been hashed out in many many threads and forums. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: Geronimo ORIGINAL: targethogs ORIGINAL: hammerman I really don't see the big deal with it. I know people that shoot one due to shoulder injuries and I don't see that it increases their chances of shooting a deer. Also I haven't seen that they are more accurate than me at the range. If they are ethical hunters it really doesn't extend their range in which they can shoot, 40-45 yards should be the longest shot. I'm not saying I'm for it and hope it stays for people with disabilities here in Illinois but if it changes it's not a big deal. JMO I can also tell ya that crossbows have been around for a few thousand years also....well... I won't go any further on the subject, it's already been hashed out in many many threads and forums. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Hey Geronimo,
Don't you think we should value the merits of hunting in general...and just not archery...and anwser this, was there an issue between trad bows and compounds....the answer to that is NO because we hunt in the same season with both of them....and compounds have only been around for 30-35 years (aprox)....crossbows have been around for a couple of thousand years....maybe I am just taking this issue wrong (has already been hashed out in pages of past threads), you could be a archer and not a hunter...and that is OK, if that is the case. I shoot better with my trad bows and compounds than I do my crossbow...what threat could my crossbow be to anyone in a archery season...there are just no advantages.... Here in California, they are not included in the archery season, and we hunt with them in the gun season...and I really don't have a problem with any of it...I just go where others are not, and then I don't have to worry about it; Rifles, Shotguns, Bows or anything else that may be legal...they are all weapons to me... |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
It won't affect your hunt one bit unless you're the one using it. Indiana has allowed them for years, and I have yet to encounter anyone using one in any woods I've hunted, including public land. Much ado over nothing.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: Hog Killer Here are the people that we must tell to keep bow season for the archers and for the handicap archers and not for the lazy. I am fairly sure that not all crossbow hunters are lazy. I would also guees there a several compound bowhunters that ARE lazy. Generalizations are not good to make, especailly without facts to back them up. I had the opportunity to make a trip to the great state of Texas this spring for a turkey hunt. Guys were using shotguns and compound bows. I was using a crossbow. I was not accused of being lazy by anyone there. I effectively harvested two turkeys and nearly everyone in camp asked about the crossbow and several shot it. The guys shooting the compounds didn't accuse me of being lazy either and they shot it and liked it as well. Don't assume that just because some one wants to use a different type of archery equipment than you, that they are lazy or a bad hunter. I would bet that at some point the guys that shoot trad bows called all the compound bow guys lazy as well, but guess what, not all of them are. Crossbows are coming and are just another form of archery equipment, just maybe not yours. Your hunt will not change a lick because a guy a mile away from you is using a crossbow. What the crossbow will do is keep some older bowhunters out there longer and it will also get some new people invovled in the sport. If you think that is bad or wrong, then you have bigger issues than a definition of "bowhunting". Randy |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Ohio has allowed them since the 80's. Compound shooters are the minority in this state.
PA is just allowing them this year. The initial rush will be huge and then it will slowly even out. It's not your State Reps, or the DNR driving it, make no mistake. It's the cross-bow manufacturers! My advice to you is this, scarf up every cross-bow you can find and sell them as soon as the law passes. You can't fight city hall, but you can profit from thier decisions... ;) |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: hammerman I really don't see the big deal with it. I know people that shoot one due to shoulder injuries and I don't see that it increases their chances of shooting a deer. Also I haven't seen that they are more accurate than me at the range. If they are ethical hunters it really doesn't extend their range in which they can shoot, 40-45 yards should be the longest shot. I'm not saying I'm for it and hope it stays for people with disabilities here in Illinois but if it changes it's not a big deal. JMO The initial rush will be huge and then it will slowly even out. It's not your State Reps, or the DNR driving it, make no mistake. It's the cross-bow manufacturers! My advice to you is this, scarf up every cross-bow you can find and sell them as soon as the law passes. You can't fight city hall, but you can profit from thier decisions... ;) |
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GR8atta2D may be onto something. Damn, late to the party again.:D I've sold 3..have another ready to go and 2 more on the way.. This may just pay for my new Air Raid...;) |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d GR8atta2D may be onto something. Damn, late to the party again.:D I've sold 3..have another ready to go and 2 more on the way.. This may just pay for my new Air Raid...;) |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Reds Archery, they just became a dealer this year due to Bowtech dropping the other in the area. Reds is oh maybe a mile from my house. They didn't have the Air Raid as of last week. But they have the rest of the line-up.
I'm not sold on the Air Raid Yet, But I have to shoot it before I make a purchase, of the current available line-up I like the Admiral Best. Although the Diamond Ice-Man is Neck and Neck! |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Where is Red's at in relation to route 80. I love stopping in at Bowtech Dealers when I can. I will be out that way tomorrow for work.
On the subject of the Admiral and the Iceman: I have shot both and I give the Admiral the edge. The Iceman is nice, but the Admiral has the speed by 10fps on the two I shot. The draw is different, but I actually like the small hump in the Admiral. I guess it's cause I am used to shooting the 101st. Both great bows for sure.;) |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Reds is not close to I-80 at all. where ya taveling to? How are ya getting there? I workclose to where I-80 becomes the Ohio Turnpike.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
If you want to bowhunt, use a recurve or longbow. Compounders wanting their easy while keeping crossbows out of general archery season are hypocrites beyond belief. Only real bowhunters bowhunting can look down on compounds and crossbows - period.
Show me one proven stat that crossbows are a negative to archery seasons - ever - and I'll shave my head bald and post pictures of it before and after. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
They passed crossbows here in NC this year. Not sure how it will impact us but I am giving it an unbiased chance. From whatI hear in other states it hasn't been much of a problem.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
LKNCHOPPERSyou'll see no difference in seasons or bag limits, or hunting pressure or anything negative at all.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: stealthycat II LKNCHOPPERSyou'll see no difference in seasons or bag limits, or hunting pressure or anything negative at all. There will be an obvious rise in amount of Archery Kills and Pressure during the season. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
There will be an obvious rise in amount of Archery Kills and Pressure during the season. remember, at one time archery season and bowhunting didn't include compounds but take your deer with archery tags lessens the pressures on deer during rifle seasons and lets face it in almost every area of the country rifle kills far outnumber archery while you are correct, the impacts are minimal and you'll never even notice the additional bowhunters in the field and the increases in animals taken won't be of a difference for the G&F to make season or bag limit changes |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
3-5 years ago this would have been a 15 page thread ........ now? it barely gets 3 pages
tides are changing compounders = the evil nemesis of the P&Y club will be totally accepted everywhere in another 5 years |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: stealthycat II 3-5 years ago this would have been a 15 page thread ........ now? it barely gets 3 pages tides are changing compounders = the evil nemesis of the P&Y club will be totally accepted everywhere in another 5 years Most open minded hunters are not against them Stealthy no matter how much you prod. My first Archery Expirience was with a Crossbow. My Dad 73 (years old) will take up crossbow this year in PA and primarily hunt with it instead of his Compound, my 70 year old Uncle who's had the disability permit for 4 years due to a Heart Ailment will also tote his Crossbow again in PA. As I said, as a compound shooter in Ohio, we are the minority the masses have been using Crossbows for decades, I'd put the numbers based on my experience at 6:1 Cross vs Compound. If I can get my Teenage son into the woods with me this year it will be with a Cross-Bow. He just never took to the compound. I'll welcome him and any other ethical hunter to share the woods with me, regardless of weopon of choice. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
GR8,
Well said! |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
I started bow hunting with crossbows when I was 12 because I didnt have enough strength to shoot a compound. I now am much older and can pull the compound easily but I still own 2 crossbows and use them sometimes. People that think the crossbow is a rifle or whatever stupid sterotypes come with the crossbow are just uneducated and selfish. share the woods with everyone, they have just as much a right to it as the next guy regardless of what means of hunting equiptment they use.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Most open minded hunters are not against them Stealthy I'd put the numbers based on my experience at 6:1 Cross vs Compound |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: stealthycat II Most open minded hunters are not against them Stealthy |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Crossbows became legal here in VA several years back. The first season it was a buzz...but has since faded big timr.It hasn't affected me at all...except that one of my neighbors can now actuallykill the deer he's shooting at, rather than gimp em all. I know several guys that immediately went out and bought a $1000 rig...because its gonna be soooo much easier. LOL, most still haven't killed one. :DCan't stop progress....I wouldn't sweat it too much. I be much more worried about Obama right now :eek:than crossbow hunters.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: stealthycat II Can you show me hard facts? Arkansas has had them that long and I bet its 20-1 compounds over crossbows, I just never see one in the woods. I don't have a problem with Crossbows in Texas like a lot of people. I hunt with a compound, and wouldn't hunt with a xbow myself, but I don't think it will create all of the problems that a lot of my fellow Texas bowhunters think it will. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
Does anyone else find it amazing that even though the number of folks on this site has dwindled down to a fraction of what it used to be, we still manage to keep enough narrow-minded, self-serving, biased, egotisticalfellows in the mix to perpetuate the same old worn out arguments?
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
On the Ohio DNR websight
Crossbow deer kills for 2007-2008 42292 Verticle Bows 36347 But from my woods time I'd put the actual numbers afield much more skewed than this. It's my opinion, that less skilled hunters take up the crossbow as a quick fix to get into the woods. THIS DOES NOT REFLECT, those of you serious about the sport. Those of you that are serious enough to join a web based sight and talk about your passion 24/7/365. This is not a dig in anyway, just the percieved easy way out for many, weekend warriors. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d On the Ohio DNR websight Crossbow deer kills for 2007-2008 42292 Verticle Bows 36347 But from my woods time I'd put the actual numbers afield much more skewed than this. It's my opinion, that less skilled hunters take up the crossbow as a quick fix to get into the woods. THIS DOES NOT REFLECT, those of you serious about the sport. Those of you that are serious enough to join a web based sight and talk about your passion 24/7/365. This is not a dig in anyway, just the percieved easy way out for many, weekend warriors. This is an honest question on my part. Exactly what is "bad" about the statement above? Crossbow hunters. To me it seems that there are some who will never be good with a compound, let alone a trad bow. There are some who love archery but are physically unable to draw a bow. There are others, who some would call lazy, who may simply want more of a challenge than gun hunting but don't want to step it up to a compound or trad bow for what-ever reason or they take up a crossbow simply because they want the additional time in the woods. Then there are others who simply prefer a crossbow. Again, I ask what is wrong with that? Personally, I believe that we should encourage EVERYONE using ANY LEGAL MEANS to hunt as much as possible. What I see in the vast majority of the younger "up and coming" generation is very little to no interest in hunting, if not outright disdain for the sport. If we don't finda way - any way - to up our numbers and expose more young ones to this way of life, it will be gone someday. There won't be enough of us left to fight for it. Jeez, deer hunters really need to find a way to come together and stop nit-pickingand arguing over which method of killing a deer is superior. I suppose that'll never happen. We are human after all, and we'll probably continue to dig our own graves until it's simply too late. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d On the Ohio DNR websight Crossbow deer kills for 2007-2008 42292 Verticle Bows 36347 But from my woods time I'd put the actual numbers afield much more skewed than this. It's my opinion, that less skilled hunters take up the crossbow as a quick fix to get into the woods. THIS DOES NOT REFLECT, those of you serious about the sport. Those of you that are serious enough to join a web based sight and talk about your passion 24/7/365. This is not a dig in anyway, just the percieved easy way out for many, weekend warriors. This is an honest question on my part. Exactly what is "bad" about the statement above? Crossbow hunters. To me it seems that there are some who will never be good with a compound, let alone a trad bow. There are some who love archery but are physically unable to draw a bow. There are others, who some would call lazy, who may simply want more of a challenge than gun hunting but don't want to step it up to a compound or trad bow for what-ever reason or they take up a crossbow simply because they want the additional time in the woods. Then there are others who simply prefer a crossbow. Again, I ask what is wrong with that? Personally, I believe that we should encourage EVERYONE using ANY LEGAL MEANS to hunt as much as possible. What I see in the vast majority of the younger "up and coming" generation is very little to no interest in hunting, if not outright disdain for the sport. If we don't finda way - any way - to up our numbers and expose more young ones to this way of life, it will be gone someday. There won't be enough of us left to fight for it. Jeez, deer hunters really need to find a way to come together and stop nit-pickingand arguing over which method of killing a deer is superior. I suppose that'll never happen. We are human after all, and we'll probably continue to dig our own graves until it's simply too late. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
There is nothing wrong with the Statement. I just didn't want to make a statement that gave an impression that all Crossbow hunters are less skilled or lazy. Some people like to read into others posts and disect every word. I know some very fine Hunters who choose a crossbow because it's a fun weapon to shoot and hunt with.
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RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: targethogs ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d On the Ohio DNR websight Crossbow deer kills for 2007-2008 42292 Verticle Bows 36347 But from my woods time I'd put the actual numbers afield much more skewed than this. It's my opinion, that less skilled hunters take up the crossbow as a quick fix to get into the woods. THIS DOES NOT REFLECT, those of you serious about the sport. Those of you that are serious enough to join a web based sight and talk about your passion 24/7/365. This is not a dig in anyway, just the percieved easy way out for many, weekend warriors. This is an honest question on my part. Exactly what is "bad" about the statement above? Crossbow hunters. To me it seems that there are some who will never be good with a compound, let alone a trad bow. There are some who love archery but are physically unable to draw a bow. There are others, who some would call lazy, who may simply want more of a challenge than gun hunting but don't want to step it up to a compound or trad bow for what-ever reason or they take up a crossbow simply because they want the additional time in the woods. Then there are others who simply prefer a crossbow. Again, I ask what is wrong with that? Personally, I believe that we should encourage EVERYONE using ANY LEGAL MEANS to hunt as much as possible. What I see in the vast majority of the younger "up and coming" generation is very little to no interest in hunting, if not outright disdain for the sport. If we don't finda way - any way - to up our numbers and expose more young ones to this way of life, it will be gone someday. There won't be enough of us left to fight for it. Jeez, deer hunters really need to find a way to come together and stop nit-pickingand arguing over which method of killing a deer is superior. I suppose that'll never happen. We are human after all, and we'll probably continue to dig our own graves until it's simply too late. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: targethogs ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d On the Ohio DNR websight Crossbow deer kills for 2007-2008 42292 Verticle Bows 36347 But from my woods time I'd put the actual numbers afield much more skewed than this. It's my opinion, that less skilled hunters take up the crossbow as a quick fix to get into the woods. THIS DOES NOT REFLECT, those of you serious about the sport. Those of you that are serious enough to join a web based sight and talk about your passion 24/7/365. This is not a dig in anyway, just the percieved easy way out for many, weekend warriors. This is an honest question on my part. Exactly what is "bad" about the statement above? Crossbow hunters. To me it seems that there are some who will never be good with a compound, let alone a trad bow. There are some who love archery but are physically unable to draw a bow. There are others, who some would call lazy, who may simply want more of a challenge than gun hunting but don't want to step it up to a compound or trad bow for what-ever reason or they take up a crossbow simply because they want the additional time in the woods. Then there are others who simply prefer a crossbow. Again, I ask what is wrong with that? Personally, I believe that we should encourage EVERYONE using ANY LEGAL MEANS to hunt as much as possible. What I see in the vast majority of the younger "up and coming" generation is very little to no interest in hunting, if not outright disdain for the sport. If we don't finda way - any way - to up our numbers and expose more young ones to this way of life, it will be gone someday. There won't be enough of us left to fight for it. Jeez, deer hunters really need to find a way to come together and stop nit-pickingand arguing over which method of killing a deer is superior. I suppose that'll never happen. We are human after all, and we'll probably continue to dig our own graves until it's simply too late. |
RE: To my fellow Texas Archery Hunters
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d There is nothing wrong with the Statement. I just didn't want to make a statement that gave an impression that all Crossbow hunters are less skilled or lazy. Some people like to read into others posts and disect every word. I know some very fine Hunters who choose a crossbow because it's a fun weapon to shoot and hunt with. |
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