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I'd bet 75% of pass through issues are a direct result from having too light an arrow. I'm a big believer today in heavy shafts/setups - like 600-700 grains or more

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never thought much about a sharp quartering away angle like RJ brought up and Jeff says almost all of his shots have been. I feel very confident in saying that under sharp quartering away angles that none of us will get 100% passthroughs. The chances of hitting heavy bone increase plus shooting through more of the deer....more mass.

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Jeff,

Since you've had pass through problems with both fixed and mech heads I'll just state the obvious. The heads aren't the problem.

Personally, I think youare movingdown the correct path when you decided late this season to go with a heavier arrow. I may get flamed, since there is more than one way to skin a cat and some guys love light arrows, but given the choice between a super fast light arrow and a slower heavy arrow, I'm going to take the slower arrow every time. I don't even bother crunching the numbers for KE anymore. Any modern60 to 70 pound bow and a 450 to 550 grain arrow should blow right through a deer at the distances we hunt these animals. It was true back in the late 80's when compounds were a lot slower and it's true today.

Sometimes I think we get too wrapped up in numbers.When I bumped up my arrow weight again this season, I didn't shoot one single arrow through a chrono. I didn't care what it said.

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Jimi..

Funny you say this. I've run the numbers enough to know that if I go up to 125gr......I go down in KE. I don't think I care.;)

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My prediction is your pass through percentage is going completely swing the other way with your heavier setup.

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I think your prediction will be right as well.. I am shooting Easton's 2419 aluminums with a 145 grainMagnus fixed blade broadhead and never had to much of aproblem with passing threw.

I do however go along with what Cougar Mag said about the quartering away shots tho..

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Jeff,
You can't be dropping that much KE. I switched from GT 5575's with a 100 grain head to GT 7595's with a 125 grain head (a BIG increase in total arrow weight) and lost 30+ fps. I didn't lose much KE at all. I don't remember the numbersbut I can run them again if you like. All I know is that my bow is so much quiet on the shot,and every deer I've killed has been a pass-through even though I don't shoot fixed blade heads like some say you have to in order to get consistent pass-throughs. You already know I shoot Grim Reapers.[8D]

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Momentum momentum momentum ....heavier is better .... I spit on kinetic energy

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Always trying to stir up trouble.[8D] :D:D

I would think that the two are related and work together, as in you can't have one without the other. Either way, since I have to clean dirt off the broadheads after every kill shot, I'll keep my setup the way it is and I don't have to worry about any of it any longer.

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This from a born again Christian? Guess your rebirth wasnt a pass-thru and forgiveness is just a word.

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Still have the $21,000 she owes my mom to deal with everytime I make a payment. Family is thicker than water and she did my family wrong. She makes it right with Mom and she has my total 4giveness. You pay the $21,000 and take the load off of me....walk in my shoes and come back and post.

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Some of us have walked in "your" shoes. Actually some of us have walked further been through worse and have had to protect our children from worse but you don't see us crying and whining. Time to act like a man that has honor and integrity and quit whining and laying blame.

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I dont remember where it says forgiveness has a price.Apparently it is $21k.:eek:Which chapter and verse was that? Sorry Don, I've just never been a big fan of false witness. If you are going to come on here and testify like you have in the past then be able to walk the walk. I'm sure there are plenty of guys and gals on this site that have a "done me wrong" story but they dont use the forum to make classless posts about it. Move on.

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Truth ...... he is right, Don ....either move on, or leave Jesus out of your conversations on here ..... you need to forgive her, CHrist forgave you and you werent worth much,.....

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From pass throughs, to ex-wives, to Jesus. This thread has it all.

I am not a super deer killer by any means of the imagination. But I have killed two deer this year and my buddy has taken three. All five with Rage 2 blades and all five were pass throughs. I think tree stand height and the sharp quarting away is the reason for not getting pass throughs. The equipment is right. Therefore, something else in the equation isn't. That only leaves a couple things. 1. Shot placement, and those look okay. or 2. Stand height, and angle.



BTW Don, keep on keepin' on. Fight the good fight.

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I have my good days and bad, and yesterday bringing up the ex in this post set me off. God, my church, my Christian mother, my Christian Grandparents, friends, and family are helping me through it all. I guess the constant reminder that I have to go to court in Jan or spring sometime to get a FELONY STALKING dismissed, doesn't help me move on. I sat 12 days in a NM jail on $25,000 cash only bail, as NM thought I was a flight risk with my IA ties, because she beared false witness against me and charged me with stalking. God, my friends in MO and IA know the truth, so does my family, and the subpoenoed witness list with her family on it.the case will be a not guilty and will be dismissed(if it even goes that far). I agree with those that knew her, she filed a protective order against me as she figured when I found out the deciet, an average man would have put her 6 ft under. I get this legal crap behind me, and things will heal up. I have a clean criminal record and she is trying to tarnish my record. It is in God's hands, I know, but it wears on me. I lost my home over her and lost it to foreclosure. I had owned it for 15 years. She got me behind in taxes and child support. I have(actually God has) taken care of that and am steadfast in reclaiming my life. I know it shows a lack of faith to get mad at her and we are to forgive. For the most part, I have, I just get frustrated at times. I pray each day for God to heal me and get her out of my life, I ask for your prayers too. Don

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Why is this thread still open? [:'(]

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Guys, I think all of you need to run to your Bible read about grace, and throwing the first stone. Thats right, all of you. Even me[:o]

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Let me say this without reading past page 2. I shot 4 this year and everyone was a passthru with arrow sticking in the ground on the other side, no shot was more than 21 yrds with a 60# 30" Allegence shooting a 406 gr arrow with a 125 gr Shuttle T broadhead. Take a close look at them Jeff before deciding on a fixed head for 09.

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I shoot a 403 grain arrow at 280 fps. Sometimes I get a pass through and sometimesI don't. I use a Slick Trick 100 grain magnum head. It really depends on how good my shot placement is. If I hit a lot of bone it may not pass thru but it usually penetrates 100% with the braodhead sticking out the exit wound.

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Boy Howdy!!!:D

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Jeff, A lot of good points have been made here. The broadside issue is one and the heavier arrow is another. Dukemichaels uses aluminum and almost always gets pass throughs. I went to a Slick trick this year at 125g. Didn't get a pass through as the shot was seriously quartering away and entered the hind and guts (sorry). Animal is recovered and mostly gone by now.(I really need another deer) Anyways, I'm considering going back to aluminums for hunting. I just hate the durability issues. I bent a lot my first two years. In retrospect Jeff, you've gotten a lot of deer and everything seems to be working except for the Pass throughs. If it's that important go heavy, try Slick tricks and wait for broadside shots. If not you still are getting a ton of success. My hats off to you! Really. But I know the perfectionist in you will get you where you want to be.

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Just from my personal experience first and secondhand with friends' deer and such....


I heavier (typically Aluminum in my experience) almost always blow through a deer cleanly....expandable or fixed. Granted shoulders and spines definitely hinder the passthrough but as far as cavity shots go, I am sold that heavy arrow with a sharp fixed blade head will ALWAYS pass through out of a compound. When I started bowhunting I used a 29" 2117 with a 125 grain muzzy to take7 deer all passthroughs with a OLD Darton 55#. Dad used a 2215 and the same head to passthrough 8/9 in the same time period with the non being a spine shot. Since then I have experience with carbons of various weights and various heads. Nothing seems to blow through deer like an aluminum and a muzzy that I have used since.....my 2 cents.

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Jeff,
I think you missed his point, I think he was indicating that maybe something in your set-up is the downfall. Easy on the swipes, calling him "low-class" might offend those of us who really are "low-class!!!" J/K Don, but I've been accused of being a "class-less Redneck," and usually from the accuser, I take it as a compliment!!!

Seriously, Jeff, what is your total set-up??? Rages??? Sub-400gr arrow??? 60#'s at 29" DL???? I think a lot of it comes into play. I'm shooting 440grains of fury at them with a 125gr ST Magnum on the fore-end, but even with WASP Jak-Hammers, ALL of my shots that were well placed, were Pass-throughs.

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Yep. Fixed heads can't be beat. I shoot slow trad bows and use nothing but fixed two blades and I get a pass through on most every deer,unless I hit a shoulder blade on the back side. Penetration would go something like this. Of course, with well tuned bows.

Best penetration;
Fixed double blades with small cut diameters with a progression to less penetrationby number of blades relative to cut diameters with larger having less penetration. , ex. Two better than three, three better than four, etc.
Then mechanicals.

With that said:Todays fast compounds, you can fudge around to get what you want. Bigger cut diameters for bigger holes, more blades for more blood, etc. But with a well tuned compound, you should not be having issues with penetration. You might want to up you foc or go with a heavier shaft. ;)

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I hear ya, I wonder what new members or guests comes in here and thinks.....

I wish the mods would really tighten up the reigns in this forum!

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:D:D Are you kidding? I believe that in order to "tighten up the reigns", you have to have a grip on them first.

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My current arrow setup is 470gr. I've killed one deer (my 11/29 buck) with it.....but I wouldn't expect that shot to be a pass-thru (although it was exactly where I wanted it to go).

Like I said.....I'll switch wfter the weekend (closer is Sat) and try out the new head maybe in the urban season.