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Thats not goherd. Is it?

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I could be mistaken but I think this is some else gmmat, not goherd!! :eek:

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LOL!!! That's all I have to say. What a tool!!!


However, It does look as though the guy in the picture got a pass through!!! :D;)

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Good Try.

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Whoa!:D

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lol goherd's ears were burnin'[8D]

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My mistake on the identity. Still doesn't answer why you come in here and question shot placement (after I'd shown you the photos) and then call ME a tool?

Classic!:D

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LMAO. :D

That hunter DID place the arrow where he was aiming, regardless of his shot choice. Just sayin.;)

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GUYS--do not make me do it....do not make me say I love bowhunting, I really do. It is a lot of fun, you should all try it!

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Jeff- I've fired the rocky mtn snypers (same design IMO) into 6 animals, and the only one that WASNT a passthrew was a deer I hit in the spine.

2 antelope, 35 & 42 yrds, both passthrews
4 deer, 8 to 30 yrds 3 passthrews, one spine...

It really clould be shot location (especially if you hit the offside shoulder), the only deer I hit in the shoulder (muzzy head) I didnt get a passthrew...

also, why does it matter so much? Just outta curiosity what is your the ratio of passthrew to not?

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Jeff:

If I remember from a lot of your pics, I think your shooting deer at pretty good quartering away angles on a fairly consistent basis. I think this is what is causing your challenges with non passthroughs. It's not necessarily a bad way to shoot deer, because it causes tremendous amounts of damage, but it's going to noticably decrease the % of pass throughs, especially when using a large diameter head. It's only going to be magnified using a wide cutting diameter head. It's not the head losing energy opening, it's the nature of a 2" cutting diameter head. In my experience with 2" Vortex heads when I was younger, the Rage's seem to lose a LOT less energy than those did. If you want more passthroughs, go to either a fixed blade head or start waiting for shots that are as close to broadside as possible.

I've hit 8 deer withRage'sover the last 3 seasons. Not one of them has run more than about 60-70 yards. Most of them less than 40. 7 of them passed completely through, the only one that didn't struck my 07' 6 pointer straight in the spine severing it almost completely in half and ended up inside the body cavity stuck in the inside of a rib. All of these hits were from 63-68lb bows, at 29.5", shooting a 440ish grain arrow around 275-290. Only 2 of them were quartering shots, I got lucky with those though and they passed through as well.

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You have been going on and on about this issue for quite some time and you keep getting the same answers to your problem. I think it time to take these answers and do something about it. I shoot 64 pounds, 372 grains, and a 100 grain Magnus Stinger or Buzzcut and must wipe dirt off my broadhead every time. I do not know if your season is closed yet or not, if not, choose a new broadhead, practice shooting with it, and go stick yourself a deer. If it is closed......

1. Make some educated decisions on a new broadhead (fixed blade). You are already narrowing your choices down. I will throw in that I have used Muzzy, THunderhead, and Magnus Stingers all out of the exact same current set up I am using, and really none hold a candle to the Stingers for passthroughs.

2. I can't explain your issues using the Muzzys other than your bow maybe not being in tune. I am certainly no expert at tuning a bow, but you have some very good friends on here who are very good at this kind of thing (Rob, Matt, etc). Seek them out for help starting as if you just purchased your bow. The slightest fishtail (that maybe you cant even see) will result in a significant decrease in your passthrough power. If not them, there should be a proshop around who will help you out.

3. One thing that has been mentioned already but perhaps deserves consideration is your height in a treestand. With the elevations you are shooting at, you are choosing to go through the most deer that you can, top to bottom. DOn't go up quite so high, back off the trail you are watching a little bit so you provide yourself more of a broadside shot, than straight downward.

Beyond these three things, I really don't know what else you can do to achieve complete passthrough, now stop asking questions and make it happen.

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RJ you're right....I DO like a quartering away shot (I prefer it). But the snyper is smaller...is it not (I relaize it's the same design)?

I do realize that the qtring shots bring the off side leg into play.....and that's a factor.

The buck I shot Halloween borught all of this into question. I keep wondering (after a conversation with Chris - MOHO) if the outcome would have been different if I'd gotten a pass-thru.

All in all....the rage's have been awesome. Awesome blood trails....easy recoveries....but that one instance makes me wonder.

MN...I'm not looking for a validation on why I should switch. I'm going to do that. I'mwondering why the guys who say pass-thrus don't matter feel the way they do.

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I do not think height in the stand has anything to do with it. That is just my opinion.There is nothing different in a steep angle shot as compared to a ground level shot in terms of arrow obstruction.

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I hunt at about 18' everytime, and pretty much only take broadside shots. This cost me# of shots takenbut I have yet to have anything other than pass throughs with a rage. I have not shot one with my new set up but all the kills came from a 60 lb, switchback XT. It was mentioned that you hold off for a better broadside shot...this will definatly help on the pass throughs IMO. Do not take that statement as a knock on your shot placement, all those deer are dead with good shots, but if it is pass throughs that you desire, and you want to keep the 2" head I would have to agree.

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I hunt at 25-30 ft usually and deer are usually in close(5-15 yds) so my arrow enters midway and exits real low...height hasn't hurt me anyway with passthrus, but then again, I use FIXED blades.

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Hey Don....

I think we get it. You use fixed blades. You get pass thrus.:D;)

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Try cranking your bow up, wuss:D

Jeff your fine, you're killing deer, you have more success than 75% MI hunters.

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Well, I mentioned my height of the stand as I hadn't mentioned it. We get you are the ONLY bowhunter in the world that doesn't get passthrus. I hate to tell you to go look at the AT thread..but the votes are there. 40 million passthrus on the AT thread I posted ...yea, I know..they are all liars, like you stated that they were earlier.All the guys that voted #1 are liars. Pass thrus are the norm, Jeff. Like mentioned, we have heard you talk about this forever, than we respond and you get defensive. Don't post pass thru issue threads if you don't like the replies. My suggestion is to post, "I am having pass thru problems but please don't give me advise as I am not going to take it.":eek:;)

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no

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What are you doing with 7 deer in one season? I could not image that much deer meat. I am certainly jealous with that kind of action, but my curiosity is killing me.

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Don just don't come in here and try to make me look like a dumbass as you're stating your case.

And BTW....if you'll quit posting about your ex-wife....I'll stop posting about pass-thrus..:D

Deal?

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BTW..I never said the guys on AT were lying. My point is....on a thread like that.....of you're nOT getting them.....why vote?

Neiheke....I've only killed 6 this year.....and I've got people wanting deer meat, now. We ate it 3 times, this past week....and we have a roast in the crock pot, right now. I also had two HNIers kill deer, here, that were donated.

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Jeff,I usually get passthroughs as well and I shoot mechanicals.I usually shoot the Rocket Steelheads and have found them better than most fixed blade heads I have used.


I usually wait for broadside shots and think Matt nailed it for the most part.Although,I have shot some big does at hard quartering away with complete pass throughs.I shot one that the arrow actually came out between the front legs.

These are mostly with my bow set at 58#'s.


The buck I shot this year at 53#'s was completely broadside and I was still using the Rocket but had the XP version.The arrow hit a rib and penetration sucked.Of course I recovered the deer but I should have gotten better results but light arrows and light poundage were the culprit,NOT the head or tune.I might have had a little better penetraton with a fixed head but I really doubt it.


The arrows that I have had most succes with penetration are the ACC's and this year I was using the FMJ's and I really wonder if they played a role,how ever small it may have been.

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Not making you look like a dumbass...just unbelievable to me I guess. Which ex.....The one that is chubby, a thief, an adultress , a liar, that got fired from Wells Fargo in Coralles, NM but tells everyone she is retired, has breasts that look like frankenstein worked on them, has severe stretchmarks from when she weighed over 200#'s from eatin too much, has black hair but dyes it fake blonde, that poses with dead animals that she doesn't kill cause she loves the camera, is livin' with an ugly dude w- nasty teeth 30 years older than her ,or the cute one in my avatar that I only mention when I am questioned. [8D] Peace buddy.

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I agree the first ex is way hotter:D
I have been looking at the picture the last 30 mins thinking, that's not the ex I knew[8D]

The question is, Does Jeff have more non pass thrus than you have ex-wives?

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Equally unbelievable....but I won't judge.

Peace, yourself.

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answer is yes. He has no pass thrus and I have ex wives[8D]

I had an ex wife that liked the camera so much she got her family members to get a coyote and a whitetail so she could pose with them and claim the glory. That's how anyone that knows her, including her family and MO friends, KNOWS the elk is a fake.;) Not to mention, anytime she opened her mouth, it was a lie

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Ok let's not go there;)

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This isn't going to turn into another sad ass "my wife done me so wrong" country song thread is it?

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I would have to say 3 things stand out when someone is not getting a high percentage of pass thrus. 1.) Broadhead choice 2.) KE 3.) What is being hit on the offside of the deer.

I shot 3 does last year. 2 broadside, 1 quartering away. All pass thrus with 60lbs. 100 gr Slick Tricks.

This year I shot 1 with 63lbs, same broadhead, slightly quartering away. Heart shot, buried broadhead in offside shoulder socket (Could barely pull it out standing on the deer). This tells me alot about where to shoot deer for pass thrus. The same scenario can happen to anyone.

LT

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What was this thread about again. Arrows passing thru or wives passing thru?[8D]

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Hey DOn.....At least all my non pass-thrus are still DEAD!

(jk);)

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lol.....i like that

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both LT[8D]

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If they were pass thrus, they would be deader:D

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NO,if they were shot with fixed heads,they would be even deader.[8D]

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For what it's worth:
I've bowkilled 22 deer. Typically I've had about 60 LB KE (.42 momentum) at the bow. All deer were 22 yards or less, broadside to slightly quartering.
16 of the 22 deer were with mechanicals (mostly Rocket Miniblaster, Steelhead, Sidewinder), 6 with fixed.
I've had a pass through 19/22 times (One time I hit spine and twice I used a 2'' mechanical).
86% pass through rate on deer with the majority of the arrows under 400 grains.

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If you had the arrow (pass through) you'd likely have a better idea of WHEN they are/will be dead.