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Why does the success of another hunter so many times turn into a behind the back flogging? When local guys are successful, they are night hunters, poachers, cheats....

It is never that they work hard and make the right moves to be successful in the eyes of others.My favorite accusation of peopletoward a successful hunter is the"cherry picker" anology.... They only shoot big bucks because their property holds them.

Many people here share their knowledge with any one willing to talk about our passion.Very little hate is shown toward most members, other thanthe occasionalpersonality conflictsand egos. Onehunter in particular on this sitehas had many successes in the deer woods and shares his thoughts and opinions just like everyone else.But, manylove to hate him because he has been successful killing big bucks. WHY?

Why does it have to be this way? Why can't we all be happy for our fellowlaw abidingbowhunting brothers and not trash them at every opportunity?

Even if someone has it "better" than you whether from land access or trophy potential, why does it have to turn into a pissing match? If I livedin your area of the country.... If I had access to your woods....

If you are not happy with the hand you were dealt, do something about it, or just deal with it. Be happy with what you got, rather than bashsomeone else who you feel has it better. Finally show some respect toward your brothers. We are all in this together.

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Jealousy

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Finally someone made this post[&:]

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No one is jealous of you, Scott. Get over yourself.:eek:






[8D]

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People are just jealous. I guyI know shot a great buck, and this other guy started saying i bet he got it with a spotlight. This deer was shot in the middle of the day with other people hunting the property that can vouch for him and was checked in before dark, and a game warden was at the station to authenticate the kill. I have heard so many stories of guys being kicked out of clubs because there successful and so on. People are always going to be jealous. I hear rash comments on this site all the time saying he must have been poaching to get that deer, looks like a high fence buck to me, and so on.

Your right Buckeye, if people have a problem with others success then they should do something about there situation. And if the guy did it illegally then that sucks, but dont be so quick to jump on everyones back when they succeed. This type of behavior is potrayed in all walks of life. If someone is a winner there automatically a cheater. you know what im talking about buckeye

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I guess I do sorta have a mild case of envy on those sheds you have..... Nowif only I had access to your woods! :D;)

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Scott:

While I agree with most every point you made.....I think it works both ways. I think the hunters hunting those prime spots need to not be SO defensive when that fact is pointed out. It's not dimishing their accomplishments (as I think securing such grounds should be commended;)).

If people are truly people who are unhappy with their hunting grounds (and profess this)....and they are complaining in the manner you describe......YEAH....I think that's sad. Find somewhere else to hunt. Make your own luck.

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Jeff....

This is something I have wondered for a long time. Why is it needed to be pointed out in the first place?

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It's not jealousy. At least those I know who have problems between other members don't seem to have it.

It usually comes down to personality conflict. And even alot of times misunderstanding of ones intentions as words get lost in translation.

Heck.. I had a tif with a member from New York recently. All because he thought my intentions were making fun of him by simply calling him the dude from New York. That's just mis-interpretation of my dry sense of humor. But it was seen as slander(ist?).

But I don't think most any of what happens here is because of jealousy.

And let's face it.. some dudes are just ****s. :D

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I guess I'm missing something. I don't really see a lot of that here. What I see is more general bickering in any number of threads.

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Scott:

It's like being in the room with a blind man you consider a friend and being unable to discuss his affliction. Why can't you? Maybe he'll enlighten you to some things you were wrong about.

It's like a big, pink elephant in the room you can't discuss for fear of hurting someone's feelings. I've said it MANY times.....if people want to discuss the fact that I have a larger than normal herd, here......I don't get offended by that. It's a fact. A discussion on it wouldn't bother me in the least.

If they make false generalizations based on their perception (unfounded)....then I'd likely not appreciate that. Discuss something intelligently.....and you'll not hear complaints, here.

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Exactly...and how does someoneHEREeven know that someone elses spot is "prime"?

There are people that i know personally near where I live that think I must have better hunting land than them since I have had more success. They have never set foot on my land but seem to have strong oppinions about it none the less.:eek:

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very well put!

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Plus.. some guys were just abused children.

Oops! There goes my dry sense of humor again.[:o]

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I can tell you from person contacts and select PM's that some of the more successful hunters on this siteshare their personal achievements with like minded friends,and few post them here.

The sharp tongues as of late are really getting cheap and personal,some threads have been deleted but that would not be necessary if things were not typed here that would not be said face to face.

And as some of us have found private messages are not as private as one might think. Email is away to prevent so unwanted knowledge from being shared with some that might be envious of another's success.

Remember if you have nothing nice to say............................................... ......................lie and make something up.

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I agree, Jim. The ad hominem attacks are sad.

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No hate here ;)I have nothing but love for all you guys and love seeing any body be sucessful:Dwell maby not love, but you get the point :DScott, its about the zone, right chief?

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Some on here are very Insecure. Antler envy Is a big one but there Is other stuff also.

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I agree..gr8 post. If you don't have something nice to say don't say it. People have always been jealous of successful people..whether it be a Donald Trump guy who is successful with $$, or the pretty cheerleader that has all of the guys chasing her, or the guy with the red sportscar, or the guy killing bick bucks. Love one another and don't covet what is not yours. God gives us each our own special gift and we just need to accept our place in life.

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I guess that's why my top ten thread was deleted....people couldn't handle giving props to others.....and I even gave everyone their chance to list theirs....[:-]

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That...and someone got way out of line.:D;)


I agree, some people just can't accept the fact that others are more successful. If a guy posts pics of his big bucks, it is seen by some as arrogant? Why? He killed them didn't he? Would it be arrogant for someone to post up and be proud of a wall full of spikes and fork horns? No, the attack dogs would turn into, well good job posts. It is about the size of the antlers, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Ever heard someone talk about location with a 1.5 yo buck picture? Me neither. Green with envy as the saying goes.

I agree with Jeff that some can lighten up on the defense, but also wholeheartedly agree that there is no need for an offensive statement in the first place.

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I don't have a "problem" with anyone here, Ive openly stated that several times. I Congradulate anyone that I see harvesting an animal. I dont care if its there 20th P & Y or their first white-tail. Where I lose respect for someone, is when there attitude toward others or myselfis purely Raw. And Most people see right through it, while others know whats going on as they sit back and watch. I can tell you ONE thing for sure, If I have a issue with someone, it's not because of jealousy, it's because of there attitude.EVEN after you try to resolve those issues with that person and getspit inyour face for it.If that person so happens to be a guy with his pic beside enough white-tails to open a museum, so be it. If it happens to be a guy that just seen his first deer of the season, so be it. Antlers is a NON-issue. But it seems the one(s) who like to be a "you know what" just so happen to have a wall full.I very rarely see an arrogant,prick on a hunting boardwithout the antlers to back it up.(though it happens)And those of you that know what Im talking about, know it well. I like everyone on here. Im jealous of noone, I love the land I hunt. I wish I could purchase it to be honest. I would then invest and have 75acres of food plots.:D

Its like Duke said, some guys can just be a ****. But I will say I dont know enough of them here on this site to make me look down on us as a community. We all get along for the most part and have made some life long friends. How many of you grew up with your brothers and sisters and got along with them every minute of every day? Most of us talk with each other Every single day at some point. You cant expect there to be problems. How many of get along with all of your relatives? Inlaws? If you had to talk to them every single day. would you not disagree from time to time? The attacks and such should not happen, but when you have tried to resolve somehting with someone and you get nothing but a slap in the face for it.... I have 0 respect for that person.

But I cant think of one reason why I wouldnt wanna be here. I like everyone, like a second family. You guys are great,and I hope to meet alot more of you one day....

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jealousy because if they cant kill big deer they dont think it is possible for anyone else to do it. I know a guy in my are that kills big deer year after year i mean 2 deer 150" or bigger . He is hated, called a poacher, good for nothing on and on. I know the guy personally and think he is great. Anytime I have a question about big deer I go to him. For example just the other day I called him with a question on stand location ina certian woods and not only did he give me advice he went with me to help me hang the stand. He would do that for anyone. I have now became no good and a poacher because I stand up for him when I hear poeple talking. I have never even been hunting with the guy and now people hate me. It is just the nature of people to envy and be jealous.

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When did Dopler post antler pics?

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What was the name of that thread again? And didn't it do excatly what the title said it would?

If your pissing into the wind don't bitch about wet feet.[:@]

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Though, Im not fimiliar with Dopler.... Read inside the ();)

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the only time that i will call anybody a poacher is when i know for a fact that they are. i will congratulate anybody on this forum for whatever they kill and take it at face value. where im from tho its a fact that everybody poaches. spotlighting, running dogs, road hunting, hell they start killin deer the 4th of july. and they will tell you that. i find it hard to congratulate those people.

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How'd I get dragged into this? Icertainty hope this has nothing to do with mejoking aboutthe guy posting pictures of himself on a daily basisyesterday as I'm not jealous of this the guy, in fact, I'll say right now that he is obviously a verygood hunter and even if he does have a great spot (as others have suggested, not me), they are still hard to kill with a bow and it takes skill. I just think the guyself promotes himself excessivelyandhe talks down to peopleand it getsold after a while so I called him on it. I don't post pictures of prior kills, sorry, I think it's bragging and the thought of it makes me uncomfortable. I would post a current picture if I got one say this weekend but I'd post it once and never again.[/align][/align]Gene Wensel once saidthat you're only as good as the land you're on and that's true but a good hunter will do his homework and find good land or make his currentland better. Then there is the other half who have bad land and complain about it butcontinue to shoot little bucks "before the neighbor shoots them" and this type of simpleton logic makes things worse on an exponential basis. Guys likethat have tostop complaining and justsleep in the bedthey havemade for themselves or wake up and smell the coffee.[/align][/align][/align][/align]

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I think the people who are jealous just see a lucky guy standing next to a big rack and wish they had that kind of luck. When the truth is, just below that rack there should be a disclaimer that says, I spent 70 hours in stand to get this animal, I walked 24 miles in those 70 hours to get him. And I spent X amount of hours and X amount of dollars scouting him over the summer.

When I see a large deer killed on here, those are the first things I think about. I know most of the guys that get them did put in hard work to get him. I am happy for them, and it just reminds me that to get the big boys, you have to put in plenty time and make sacrifices.

Just my 2 cents.

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I like Buckmasters post a lot.
I have nojealousy of any one.Some of that comes with maturity some people never get to a point where they rid themselves of envy or jealousy.It is most people's nature to desire being considered competent or successful at things that are important to them.Hunting is no different.The most important thing for me is measuring up to what I expect of myself.I have no interest or concern with what others perception may be,and I don't mean that in a nasty way!
As it relates to the feelings that are directed toward other successful or seemingly successful hunters in our own communities,we should be fair about the things we think much less say about others.
Are some of the people that kill big deer year in and year out poachers? Yes some of them are,some of them are just darn good dedicated hunters.I am comfortable with my ability to make the distinction between the two.

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Because it is easier to hate, then to kill.

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Jay Gregory said the same thing on one of his shows, last year. The perception in the hunting community equates how "good" a hunter is with the size of the antlers on his wall. Human nature.

When peopleequate the fact that I take several deer per season with the fact that I have a large deer herd.....I just agree with them. Sure...I had to make the shots....but if they weren't there I could make them appear through any amount of hard work.

I don't think Gene, Jay or "most" people in these forums mean anything "offensive" when such things are said.

I'm not singling out anyone for any other reason than to give credit where it's due.....but Greg's done a wonderful thing in securing some (he'll admit to) PRIME whitetail grounds.I give him credit for that AND for making it happen at crunch time. Same thing could be said for a LOT of people in this forum and around the country. Nothing but congrats, from me.....on ALL accounts.

Does jealousy rear its' head from time to time? Sure. And....you don't have to have P&Y's on your wall to be the target of it.

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x4

I've know for a long time that for some reason there is a lot of jealousy in this sport.

How many times have you heard someone say....."Well I or Joe Blow could do that too if....." rather than "wow, good for him"?

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hey bawanajim, are you always this delightful or do you have to work at it[:-]

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Its a gift.;)

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Plain and simple................. jealousy. I'm jealous as hell but will be the first to congratulate and be genuinely happy for that persons accomplishments. I'd rather use a person like that as a source of information rather than get in a pissing match with them. Matter of fact those people drive me more to become better. Prime hunting land or not... doesn't really matter. They happen to be there and you're not. Get over it or change it. The fact remains they are putting down the animals that they are. There really are no what ifs. It is what it is be happy for them.

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Or maybe the problem is some don't think they need them as a source of information because they are equally as good as the hunter putting down big bucks and think he is just hunting better land.

That's the first time I've ever quoted myself. Feels kind of weird.[8D]

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I will be the first to admit I am jealous as heck at some of the bucks I see on here and wish I could get access to property to held such beasts. However, I don't hold that against any of the guys sitting behind those deer. In fact, I'm always one to congratulate a hunter on success regardless of the buck in the picture.

What I don't get is how someone goes from, "man, I wish I could shoot a buck like that too," to "man, that guy that shot that buck is a jerk because he has access to property that hold those kind of deer." How does that happen?[&:]