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Bingo! Insecurity is what leads to jealosy. Can't have one without the other. Simple elemental human nature. There are very few people, A) Secure enough, and B) Man enough, to anonomously stand in front of their peers and admit that they are inferior.

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I thought so Jim, Merry Christmas friend;)

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Im not familure with that in my neck of the woods.

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I'm not singling you out, BRY....as I suppose this isn't your feelings, alone. I just have never felt this way.

ALL we can do is hunt the lands we have to the best of our abilities......and if we're to be "judged" on what we take....that HAS to play in. It's the ONLY thing that has any merit.

I've never seen one deer/hunter in here I was jealous of. Do I wish I could see the animals some of you guys see? Sure. But jealous.....I'm not. I have wonderful grounds.

PLEASE don't think I was singling you out. I wasn't, at all.

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But then, anyone that could do that, would they really be inferior ;)?

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Right back at ya and have a great new year.;)

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Depends on the context. ;)

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[quote]ORIGINAL: GMMAT

None of it has merit if you don't care what others think of your abilities, land, accomplishments, etc.

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True that, MEZ.......but if you're gonna attempt to diminish them.....keep it factual....and I won't have ANY issues with it.

First person that says I poached a deer or took him in an unethical/illegal manner.....I'll respond to (to set the record straight). That's as far as Ill go.

Do I care what THAT person thinks? Heck no....lol. Do I care what they spew? Yes.....if it's factually untrue.

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What are we diminishing? Not following your statement here.

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What is this smoke and mirrors? Who is jealous anyway?Who has accused whom of poaching? What's all this talk about?

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Think back to your last kill. Do you recall the rush? Did you jump up and down? did you do a fist pump thingy? Did you throw your arms up in the air? Did you let out a yell? Did you simply get a warm glow?
What was the very next thing you did? I'll bet most of you thought" I gotta call my buddies and tell them". Alot of guys even text right from the spot of the kill.
Why? We want to share our excitement with our buddies.
I think we need to get back to sharing our excitement with our buddies. Remember how you felt when it was your turn. Remember that everyone else feels this way and share that excitement with them. Some say "I wish I could bottle that feeling" You can't, but you can share it!

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Awesome post magicman!!!!! Now, if you couldonly get the one in question to feel the same way......[&o]

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Good stuff!!! You did this yourself on your last buck. I plan on doing the same If I'm lucky enough myself. That excitement will always be there for me!!

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Who's the one in question? I lost my secret HNI code breaker, someone help me out.

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Jeff, I have no issues with having those feelings. I would love to have the opportunity to shoot giant bucks. Not because I feel that doing so would somehow increase my credibility as a hunter, but because I think big bucks are cool. My ego would not grow, nor would I think I had somehow become a better hunter if I shot one, or two, or ten. I would want to shoot them because they are great looking bucks.

So, while I say I'm jealous it is without malice. I think to want the best is human and to feel envy of those that have the best is also human, but when you let that envy consume you to have ill will toward someone else that is when your own personal insecurities come in.

Oh, and BTW, no worries on singling me out. Being singled out for good discussion is never a bad thing.;)

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I'd like to hear this one also.

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It's me... isn't it.[&o]

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Yeah duke. We all hate you.:D

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You can call me first.:DI think it's so cool to drink it all in. I'm pulling for ya!

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Excellent post!!! I could not be happier than when people I care about are successful!

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No way, bud. He's one of my hero's on here.:D:D

Seriously, I don't understand what this is really all about. The closest I've ever come to being jealous of someone elses deer hunting success was when my brother took the time to send me ane-mail with pics of all seven of his bucks one year. At the time, I was on aship in the Persian Gulf on a seven month deployment.[:@] I would've punched him when I got home, but he's 6' 7" and weighs 300+ pounds.:D

Sure, I wish I could kill some of the bucks I see taken on here, but if I don't, that's on me. What reason would I have to be jealous? Honestly, it doesn't make sense to me.

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I'd like to know that also........ and how in the world did he know that the "one in question" didn't do what magicman had posted?:eek:

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you know it is funny you made this post. I was just thinking about this. Jealousy is most deffinately a huge issue. And though it may not happen on here very often, Which is great! There is how ever other people that go out of there way to put others on a pedastal... In my book, really annoying!

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My plan worked BB. I was trying to weed you out.

Now If I can just find the little sob's who keep kicking my garbage cans over.. my wife would be happy.

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I have to agree with this. I don't really see/hearpeople being discredited for their accomplishments on here. Yes, it's more like differences of opinion I think.;)

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I love to bowhunt, it is a lot of fun. Try it.

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LOL, hey Brett do you have this on your clipboard, for easy copy/paste? [8D]

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I really have no idea who we are talking about? and i guess it don`t really matter[&:](jealusy) is the only real reason why anyone would act that way.

Seeing picsofthose monsterbucks taken on here each yr and reading the storys on how the hunt went? Only makes me wanthunt harder.

The bucks some of ustake on heremay not be as big as others? but beproud of what you take never the less!

Congrats: to all who have taken a deer this season Monster buck, Med size buck, Small buck, or doe`s.:)

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Trail cam time!:D

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Personally I think it comes from a misorganized set of priorities. First off hunting should be fun. If you don't enjoy it, don't do it. Secondly your self worth should not be tied up in how well you do. Thirdly, it's not a competition sport, unless you consider it a competition between you and your prey.

Yes, jealousy can be a factor, and I can also see how some people would get tired of some hunters getting defacto credit because they have the racks to back it up. Although I don't think it's so much that they get credit but that others don't get as much credit if they don't have the antlers to back it up. The hero worship on here can get pretty bad. I don't know. I may be totally wrong.

Either way I'd love to have one or two of these guys come to my place as personal hunter/trainer and analyze my land and show me where and how I go wrong and compare notes. It would be enlightening, but would require them to sacrifice their own hunting time so I don't expect it to happen. But given all that I doubt I'd still be as successful as some because I lack that intensity of drive. I want a nice buck but I also want to enjoy myself. I seek a balance in my own hunting and try to hunt with others that share the same outlook. It's the same way with other hobbies I have; if I golf with someone who takes the game super serious neither one of us has a good time. :D So I rejoice with all successful hunters, however you define that, and am jealous of none, but I'd love to share their success.

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:D:D:D:D

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Well, I see jealousy as just a part of it. Another is the new QDM movement and everybody trying to live up to these expectations. Since the QDM movement really grew in the past few years everybody is now an armchair biologist and a whitetail expert. Everybody is more concerned about the size of the antlers, the genetics, the age, yadda yadda yadda... and the hunting community is loosing the major thing that brought people to it...... enjoyment. Antler size has become the standard for measuring a hunters success, instead of the knowledge that they have for consistently killing deer (note** any deer). Its sad to see this trend taking over. Hell, just a few years ago this board would have been littered with pictures of guys with the doe that they shot, but that has been tuned down because today a doe is not considered to be as big of an accomplishment as a buck.

People are turning hunting into work instead of just going out and enjoying it. I took my rifle out this season and forgot just how much fun it is to just go sit on the edge of a hillside, no scent killer, no camo, no playing the wind, just me sitting in the woods waiting to see a deer. I wasn't worried about it being rut, pre-rut, post rut, I wasn't concerned about herd size, deer density, buck to doe ratios, deer age, travel patterns, bedding areas, feeding areas, ect... I just wanted to relax and hope for the best. I wasn't working to try to achieve a goal, I was just enjoying my time in the woods. More people should learn to do this and put less importance on achieving a goal that magazines and television shows have created.

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NAILED IT!!!!!

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Yes..yes I do. :)

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People will allways be jeoulous ofothers hunting success.......You can take out hunting and replace it with any other hobby/job/pastime and the same holds true. Not all people but a certain group within each group. If you ever say great (deer/job/etc )BUT................then you are in some way jeoulous/belittling their accomplishment. If you hunt out west and lay slammers down, you are a good hunter period. Several hundred thousand hunters, a couple hundred P&Y's and we wanna call someone lucky because of their LOCATION...nah. You can be unlucky becasue of location, but if you kill a 140 every other year or so with a bow then you have skill. I live in Georgia so according to all these stats lately, my location sucks as bad as anyones. You will NEVER hear me complain, and as a few have seenI have a few P&Y's in my house. You will also NEVER hear me point out where someone hunts, I love to see the deer and hear the stories to much to get caught up in all that BS.

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Without reading all of the replies I feel the need to say: this site and a couple of others are much less argumentative, shows less negative attitude, and contains less jealousy overall than many others. I just returned to this topic after reading a thread from another site which is well known using two letters;). I've never in my life witnessed so much negativity and jealousy as I have there. Case in point from that site that I read when I happen in there:

A. jealousy over midwest bucks being larger in general
Come hunt here or keep your mouth shut when someone from a midwest state kills a nice one. Its not our fault most other states or regions do not contain as many nice bucks.

B. the disdain for Pope and Young club
its not for everyone but many hunters fail to understand or refuse to acknowledge that this organization did more for bowhunting than most hunting organizations put together!

C. midwest bucks are easier to kill
I've read this a hundred times. Yes its a farming region with broken up woodlots and cropfields. might make it easier to hunt than big woods, but you still have to put in the time.

D. heres one I always like........someone goes to a midwest state with the dream of killing a big buck and returns all pissed off because they didn't have the opportunity. I have news for you, big bucks aren't behind every tree or bush. Even residents here hunt hard and come up empty most years.

Yes I currently have an attitude. Got that with my cold thats keeping me out of the woods along with reading threads on that "other" site.

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Great post Cougar!!!

I've been saying this for a long time on here and people mostly call BS on me saying the P&Y club doesn't do much. That pisses me off!!! Where would bow hunting be today with out the P&Y club and It's members? I can gaurantee It wouldn't be good. Where would gun hunting be without the NRA and It's members? That' right, It wouldn't be good. No difference at all In the organizations as they both protect and pull for our rights as hunters and donate a ton of money.

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Let me ask this, Schultzy.....are they (P&Y) "open book"? What I mean is....the SCI ....if you're a member...you get a detailed accounting of where every dollar they take in goes. That's impressive.

Could you do this as a P&Y member? Anyone?

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I have no Idea Jeff but I'm thinking no.